Advised to drive dangerously (in writing) by the Police.
Discussion
BertBert said:
culpz said:
See, some roundabouts are more simple than others. If you're new to an area and you're coming up to a large roundabout with no signage to show you how many exits it's got, you're essentially taking a punt anyway. What else are you really expected to do?
And how many 'large' roundabouts are there with no signage?dukeboy749r said:
The left hand portion of this 'lane' has a large 'turn left' arrow on the floor, whilst the right-hand side of the same (essentially widened single lane) has an arrow indicating straight on.
If someone in the left hand lane (which I'd assume people would use to turn left using), does go straight on, then you (often) get a lot of horn beeping as it (frequently) leads the person in the right hand lane to have to brake whilst said driver from the left hand lane sails on merrily straight ahead.
Regardless of other signage, surely the road markings would take precedence?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.8847194,0.835120...
those are not mandatory turn road markings though but guidance arrows https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen... sections 13.6/13.7 so advisory only.If someone in the left hand lane (which I'd assume people would use to turn left using), does go straight on, then you (often) get a lot of horn beeping as it (frequently) leads the person in the right hand lane to have to brake whilst said driver from the left hand lane sails on merrily straight ahead.
Regardless of other signage, surely the road markings would take precedence?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.8847194,0.835120...
Edited by Heidfirst on Friday 22 June 14:56
Heidfirst said:
those are not mandatory turn road markings though but guidance arrows https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen... sections 13.6/13.7 so advisory only.
Accepted, but for those using the guidance to make decisions, the frustration is fairly evident when others simply ignore the arrow and then narrowness of the straight ahead exit and fight for space..Edited by Heidfirst on Friday 22 June 14:56
dukeboy749r said:
Accepted, but for those using the guidance to make decisions, the frustration is fairly evident when others simply ignore the arrow and then narrowness of the straight ahead exit and fight for space..
I understand - I have had it done to me (by an Audi) even though I was indicating to exit. Luckily I was aware of him creeping up on my inside & backed off or it could have been interesting ...Interesting topic.
OP is not going to post a copy of the letter he claims to have had. He would do so unless it doesn’t exist or match his interpretation/claims of the wording in it.
He asks in his opening post who to contact re the letter.
The answer is the person who signed it.
A second option is to show it to his local police sergeant.
A third option is a formal complaint.
I suspect he has opened up a can of worms to generate a typical PH scenario of posts by others.
OP...PROVE me wrong. Post the actual letter.
Show evidence of actions taken re my advice above on contacts.
OP is not going to post a copy of the letter he claims to have had. He would do so unless it doesn’t exist or match his interpretation/claims of the wording in it.
He asks in his opening post who to contact re the letter.
The answer is the person who signed it.
A second option is to show it to his local police sergeant.
A third option is a formal complaint.
I suspect he has opened up a can of worms to generate a typical PH scenario of posts by others.
OP...PROVE me wrong. Post the actual letter.
Show evidence of actions taken re my advice above on contacts.
sospan said:
Interesting topic.
OP is not going to post a copy of the letter he claims to have had. He would do so unless it doesn’t exist or match his interpretation/claims of the wording in it.
He asks in his opening post who to contact re the letter.
The answer is the person who signed it.
A second option is to show it to his local police sergeant.
A third option is a formal complaint.
I suspect he has opened up a can of worms to generate a typical PH scenario of posts by others.
OP...PROVE me wrong. Post the actual letter.
Show evidence of actions taken re my advice above on contacts.
Sorry all but forgot the pace of the internet and that I should be online 247 to answer all questions. OP is not going to post a copy of the letter he claims to have had. He would do so unless it doesn’t exist or match his interpretation/claims of the wording in it.
He asks in his opening post who to contact re the letter.
The answer is the person who signed it.
A second option is to show it to his local police sergeant.
A third option is a formal complaint.
I suspect he has opened up a can of worms to generate a typical PH scenario of posts by others.
OP...PROVE me wrong. Post the actual letter.
Show evidence of actions taken re my advice above on contacts.
To the above, I have sent letters to the 'head of staion'.complaints and the local commisioner asking why I should ignore the highway code. I have, in response, no answer but a repeat that I should do as the letter writer says in an email copied from the commisioner.
I have tried emailing Sussex safer roads but they seem unwilling (after confirming I should use the left lane to turn left) to answer any more questions now they are aware it involves Police officers.
This is a genuine question as rule 184 of the highway code clearly states that on on approaching a roundabout you should take notice and act on all the information available to you, including traffic signs, traffic lights and lane markings whigh direct you to the correct lane.
I do now have the letter on my computer but don't wish to post it with the name ofteh officer that sent it on it so will have a look at wether I can blank it with stuffon my computer (not particularly tech savvy) or may have to get my friend to scan it again with the details covered.
I will however attempt to post another pic of the junction to the roundabout which is located in Polegate, East Sussex. Cophall roundabout If i'm correct for those that feel I'm withholding info.
CanAm said:
OP, I know that roundabout well, and it is badly laid out. My wife hates driving around it.
Could you confirm which road you were entering from and which was your intended exit.
Yes,was coming out of Polegate and heading to the exit that has the services. It seems to work quite well but you have to 'go for it' in peak times from the entrance due to the fast flow of traffic. Could you confirm which road you were entering from and which was your intended exit.
NOW it all makes sense! This roundabout has lane markings which spiral outwards rather than being concentric and arrows which are less than helpful. As a result they are pretty much ignored by locals. It is at the junction of two major roads, the East/West A27 and the North /South A22, which unfortunately do not actually all meet at the roundabout. 
It is also quite large in diameter so speeds tend to be higher. The OP was joining from Polegate at 5 o'clock, aiming for the white road at 10 o'clock. His left hand lane is marked with an arrow to turn left. Locals would be very unlikely to take that first exit as it would be easier to go south on the B2247. I think the planners intended Left to mean the café slip road as well and for the right lane for straight ahead or right on the two dual carriageways. If you take the right hand lane the spiral lane markings lead you outwards towards the A22 at 12 o'clock.
With the benefit of local knowledge, if I'd been in the OP's position I would have taken the L/H lane (as despite it not being the first left, it is more left than straight ahead!). But it has to be said that many people find it confusing.
It is also quite large in diameter so speeds tend to be higher. The OP was joining from Polegate at 5 o'clock, aiming for the white road at 10 o'clock. His left hand lane is marked with an arrow to turn left. Locals would be very unlikely to take that first exit as it would be easier to go south on the B2247. I think the planners intended Left to mean the café slip road as well and for the right lane for straight ahead or right on the two dual carriageways. If you take the right hand lane the spiral lane markings lead you outwards towards the A22 at 12 o'clock.
With the benefit of local knowledge, if I'd been in the OP's position I would have taken the L/H lane (as despite it not being the first left, it is more left than straight ahead!). But it has to be said that many people find it confusing.
I am pretty sure I would have treated the roundabout the same way as the OP did.
I can see how locals who know it well might ignore the road markings but they have to allow for those who don't know it well.
My verdict: copper is a knob jockey.
Still want to see the original letter though!
I can see how locals who know it well might ignore the road markings but they have to allow for those who don't know it well.
My verdict: copper is a knob jockey.
Still want to see the original letter though!
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