RE: High speeds not dangerous, says judge

[chunder]

kryton86 said:

I think the real injustice is the waste of police and court time on bollox like this. In fairness to police, they don't make the rules, simply apply them.

So the police should have carte blanche to drive in whatever manner they choose at any time ?

Unbelievable.

As for the rules then yes I guess they applied them by prosecuting the guy - shame some local shopkeeper bowed to either real or perceived pressure.

[Racing Rod]

If you read the information available, and I'm sure there is more that is not being released, the officer is not the guilty party in this instance. Before those of you with short fuses and a predilection to persecute all things "POLICE" for the mainly lame reason that you don't like them or don't like the real life fact that these guy's can do things you can't, check out the available facts

1) There was NO new car testing Policy
2) They have been doing it this way for years
3) They are very well trained and can out drive
anyone here, me included, most of us have
no idea just how good they are.
4) Someone found the tape and threatened to
go public, hell this happened in Dec 2003.
5) The CPS suggested that they prosecute him for D.D
Knowing full well that it wouldn't stick
6) The Police went along with it as a conviction
would bring into play God knows what, think of
all the claims that could start to land on
the CC's mat
7) This was a whistle blower that for his or her
particular reasons "pushed" the situation, the
Police, CPS and Government were between a rock
and a hard place and took the line of least
resistance and the lesser of two evils, for as
stated, the effect of a guilty verdict would
have been devastating for all concerned, this
story on the other hand is one up on tomorrows
fish and chip wrappings, not without a cost, but
so much better then the other scenario

If you want to blame someone then look at the Senior Police Officers, the one's that effect policy, look at the Government dept that sets budgets and applies pressure when things don't go the way they would like to see them go, look at the CPS, the Scamera partnerships, the "establishment" that allows the "Speed kills" morons a voice, and sets normal people at each others throats, look at the terrible driving standards, the appalling test requirements, the badly repaired and made roads, the motoring policies, Christ ,I could go on for ever !!!

Don't blame this chap for doing what he did, he carries out his duty ,his job, he doesn't make the policies, he doesn't make the rules, he did what any one of us in a moment of weakness could have done put in the same set of circumstances, he took the piss because he could and there were no real rules or regulations in place to stop him.

[Flat in Fifth]

RacingRod said:

A lot of sense .... once again I might add

Now to use a Tiny Blurism, about time most of the rest of you stopped speculating. More to the point speculation that iswithout the facts and with your prejudices

Let's move on.

[streaky]

I see that the relevant police service is now talking about banning such 'testing'. Why? It's not dangerous ... the judge said so!

Streaky

[gone]

streaky said:

I see that the relevant police service is now talking about banning such 'testing'. Why? It's not dangerous ... the judge said so! Streaky

Why you ask?

Because of reactions by the good public which are echoed by the patrons of PH!!!

Sorry! most of the patrons of PH

>> Edited by gone on Friday 20th May 22:07

[WildCat]

gone said:

streaky said: I see that the relevant police service is now talking about banning such 'testing'. Why? It's not dangerous ... the judge said so! Streaky Why you ask? Because of reactions by the good public which are echoed by the patrons of PH!!! Sorry! most of the patrons of PH >> Edited by gone on Friday 20th May 22:07

Ja - well you can only take a jam doughnit so far on a test run....

But at least he did not creamed mit a ban... like Joe Public...und I think this ist the problem here...

We get hammered mit fines und threats to mobility for 10% und the plus 2 if we are lucky.,,, in some areas. This chap took for blat -supposedly testing his vehicle - und he could have done this on training tracks und not on public road to check what the car could do. Ist same argument as us driving on clear motorway und getting done for much less. That ist why it comes across as unfair. It would be fair if advanced driver who gets booked under similar circumstances can use this as precedent to nobble a speeding charge.

My own cousins argue mit mir (the BiB ones) und say that they have to know how it handles und that these scrotes they are protecting me from also drive at such speeds in town centres - und ist too late if they find they are compensating for handling error at such speeds when "live" in area mit bollards, traffic lights und average drivers about..und can see this logic.

But this BiB was not authorised to do this at the time - und that ist difference. My understanding of the West Mercia statement ist that such "tests" must be authorised in future. Und think I am happy mit that - they can still drive mit practised rush to my aid if in danger in West Mercia - und their practices have seal of approval

[Vipers]

Well I;ve not had time to read all the replys on this, cept one or two that seem to say if the road is clear, whats the problem.

The problem is joe public has to abide by the law, otherwise, points, and fines. The same rules MUST apply to the plod no matter what the "excuses" are.

How many of us would "get off" (and thats what he did, he got off) exceeding the speed limit with a flimsy excuse of honing our driving skills.

The bloody judge shoul be struck off as well, bunch of tossers, I hope someone somewhere appeals, and the plod involved gets canned.......

[Racing Rod]

Reading all these posts one can draw two meaningful conclusions

1) The only thing that all of us on this site have in common is a love of cars, that's it.

2) The only thing that all of us on this site have in common is a love of cars, that's it.

[petroldead]

cdp said:

[quote=jellison]Also leaves them open to there Speed detectors (underhand money grabbing scum - go find rapists and murders and issue more asbos) to be in accurate. This car spec is 154mph (presumably one person and low fuel and not loaded with coppers and all there kit) - must be over estimating by 9- 10 mph. <a href="www.carpages.co.uk/guide/vauxhall/vauxhall-vectra-gsi-3.2i-v6-24v-5dr.asp?switched=on&echo=541330711">www.carpages.co.uk/guide/vauxhall/vauxhall-vectra-gsi-3.2i-v6-24v-5dr.asp?switched=on&echo=541330711</a> THIS GUY SHOULD BE IN JAIL. >> Edited by jellison on Thursday 19th May 13:37

154mph. Not possible with the police lighting gear on top. This would drop the speed to 130-140 range. But of course the police could never admit their equipment was inaccurate could they?

Maybe it was kph?[ It was recorded by the Radar so it was 159MPH calibrated-cock on. This was an unmarked snakemobile so no christmas teee on the roof. The limited max of this car is 155mph but the tax collectors have them souped up so they can familiarize at 159mph ready for a days work at 55MPH on a crammed M6!

[D Fender]

chunder said:

Speed kills. No but the higher the speed involved in an accident the more likely someone will be killed - fact.

So the object should be to minimise the speed involved in an accident?

So, what is the best way of doing that?

As a - fact ?

[D Fender]

kryton86 said:

I'm pretty sure the money goes into a big pot for redevelopment of roads and stuff

Into cycle paths and home zones?

[D Fender]

I posted this on a General Gassing Thread.

Anyone here got any answers?




I've not read all of this thread so I might have missed it. Has anyone tracked down where this "suburban" speeding occured?

The first article I've seen on this:

www.shropshirestar.com/show_article.php?aID=32052

Refers to Redhill Way and St Georges Road Telford.

Would they be the "suburban" B5060 coming off the A5 and the parallel road to the left of it near the first roundabout (the bit of "suburban" road crossing the B4373)?

http://tinyurl.co.uk/vasr




Oh, and has anyone got a link to anything saying he did 84 in a 30? I've heard that figure bandied about a lot, and thought I'd read it in an article too, but all the ones I can find say 60 in a 30!

[v8-fettler]

Racing Rod said:

..If you want to blame someone then look at the Senior Police Officers, the one's that effect policy, look at the Government dept that sets budgets and applies pressure when things don't go the way they would like to see them go, look at the CPS, the Scamera partnerships, the "establishment" that allows the "Speed kills" morons a voice, and sets normal people at each others throats, look at the terrible driving standards, the appalling test requirements, the badly repaired and made roads, the motoring policies, Christ ,I could go on for ever !!! Don't blame this chap for doing what he did, he carries out his duty ,his job, he doesn't make the policies, he doesn't make the rules, he did what any one of us in a moment of weakness could have done put in the same set of circumstances, he took the piss because he could and there were no real rules or regulations in place to stop him.

Case of "dont blame the cops" doesnt wash mate!
rules this, legislation that, its all bollox mate, You know what your going to be a cop for, so if you dont like it, dont bloody do it, cos using legislation as an excuse is ridiculous!!!
"We couldnt report her murder, cos government figures say we cant!"
Absolute BENT FILTHY PINK CURLY TAIL!!!

[chunder]

D Fender said:

chunder said: Speed kills. No but the higher the speed involved in an accident the more likely someone will be killed - fact. So the object should be to minimise the speed involved in an accident? So, what is the best way of doing that? As a - fact ?

Brake ?

[Racing Rod]

v8-fettler said:

Case of "dont blame the cops" doesnt wash mate! rules this, legislation that, its all bollox mate, You know what your going to be a cop for, so if you dont like it, dont bloody do it, cos using legislation as an excuse is ridiculous!!! "We couldnt report her murder, cos government figures say we cant!" Absolute BENT FILTHY PINK CURLY TAIL!!!

It does for me friend, and I use that term in it's loosest possible sense, but then I'm not near psychotic, over emotional or mentally inferior to a amoeba, nor am I seemingly full of paranoid hate of the Police force.

>> Edited by Racing Rod on Sunday 22 May 17:00

[apache]

chunder said:

D Fender said: chunder said: Speed kills. No but the higher the speed involved in an accident the more likely someone will be killed - fact. So the object should be to minimise the speed involved in an accident? So, what is the best way of doing that? As a - fact ? Brake ?

ya just gotta love em

[busa_rush]

Racing Rod said:

Reading all these posts one can draw two meaningful conclusions 1) The only thing that all of us on this site have in common is a love of cars, that's it. 2) The only thing that all of us on this site have in common is a love of cars, that's it.

Aye

[busa_rush]

Racing Rod said:

. . . . nor am I seemingly full of paranoid hate of the Police force.

Not met many plod have you ?

[Racing Rod]

busa_rush said:

Racing Rod said: . . . . nor am I seemingly full of paranoid hate of the Police force. Not met many plod have you ?

Lots, but none with two heads..........yet!

[jconsta6]

Just thought I'd have 2p, seing as this is my local plod group...

The thing I don't think anyone has mentioned yet is that, you all know the M54 is only a 2 lane motorway?

I am a strong believer in Speed doesn't kill - innapropriate Speed kills. - It reall is as simple as that.

So, really it should be down to whether it was "approriate" for him to be doing this speed? Well, if he was training then and conditions were right, then - fine, he deserves his reprieve.

If, however, conditions were less than perfect
or he had not been instructed to drive as such, then he should have faced the same as the rest of us would. The fact that he was arrested by colleagues so to speak, would, insinuate that this he was not doing this as part of acting on instructions.

We will never know all the facts - only he will, I would hazzard a guess that he is just counting his chickens right now....

JC










>> Edited by jconsta6 on Monday 23 May 20:41