The smell of weed.
Discussion
eldar said:
hucumber said:
Exactly. Drunkeness is far more anti social than smoking weed, its only conditioning that makes people think any different. Theres a good podcast by Professor David Nutt about alcohol, off the top of my head he said it costs the NHS 3 billion pounds a year
You are comparing apples and pears. Compare alcohol to illegal drugs or cannabis to babycham.How much crime is committed by illegal drug users.
By users of other drugs? Depends entirely on the drugs you are talking about. Heroin and crack users will commit more crime than ecstasy or magic mushroom users for example.
But that isn't the point, we are discussing marijuana. And if you think people are going out en mass and committing crimes to feed their weed habit then you have no idea what you're talking about. If I could be bothered I would try and find out drug related crime (excluding selling) and alcohol related crime. I doubt the two are as far apart as you think
okgo said:
Was about to ask what his measure of success was. Then I'll see if I am 'successful' despite having used vape form weed for insomnia at times.
I think he’s aiming his comments at those who get totally stoned regularly, rather than your occasional semi medical use? That makes most sense to me anyway. Chainsaw Rebuild said:
I think he’s aiming his comments at those who get totally stoned regularly, rather than your occasional semi medical use? That makes most sense to me anyway.
Lets find out. I think there are plenty people that spend their lives "totally stoned" and are "successful". hucumber said:
Jonny Wishbone said:
Booze directly kills 8k per annum in this country and probably many more indirectly. When I worked in A&E a conservative 50% of people attending on Friday and Saturday nights were there either purely because they were pissed or because of something happening to them (generally assault or falling over) as a result of being pissed. How much violent crime and domestic violence is attributable to booze? Dunno, internet where I am is too crap for me to be arsed to look it up, but I guarantee it’s a huge proportion. Fancy taking a stroll through a provincial town centre late on a Friday or Saturday evening? Do you like wading through piss, vomit and dodging fights?
But hey, it doesn’t stink, so it’s all good!
I realise the above is total whataboutery and also is not aimed at the OP who I sympathise with, but it does bear considering that some folks views about weed are rooted in snobbery about other people’s choice of poison. If you don’t drink, do any drugs and eat healthily then you can probably fairly fire away at the stoners who are no doubt doing their own brains no good whatsoever but who by and large don’t really bother anybody else.
Exactly. Drunkeness is far more anti social than smoking weed, its only conditioning that makes people think any different. Theres a good podcast by Professor David Nutt about alcohol, off the top of my head he said it costs the NHS 3 billion pounds a yearBut hey, it doesn’t stink, so it’s all good!
I realise the above is total whataboutery and also is not aimed at the OP who I sympathise with, but it does bear considering that some folks views about weed are rooted in snobbery about other people’s choice of poison. If you don’t drink, do any drugs and eat healthily then you can probably fairly fire away at the stoners who are no doubt doing their own brains no good whatsoever but who by and large don’t really bother anybody else.
Sometimes get the same at mine, there’s a block of flats over the footpath at the side of the house and the smell drifts over. It’s absolutely foul and can’t sit in the garden when it’s happening. Makes the neighbourhood seem rough too but the authorities are unlikely to do anything unless they’re growing it. If you think they are it’s worth reporting to the police who’d be able to tell by thermal imaging. Otherwise reporting the problem to their landlord if they have one might be more effective
Geez, some of the replies on here have clearly been made by people living a sheltered life.
When alcohol was illegal people ended up with moonshine. As it wasn't freely available it was the unregulated stronger stuff that was available. Weed has been illegal now for almost 100 years and it's gradually been getting stronger.
I know successful people who smoke it every day, quite a few of them are business owners. There's more smokers in the UK than most of you realise - they don't go around telling everyone. It goes largely unpunished, and even those that are punished tend to be bringing attention to themselves in other ways anyway. The people causing problems typically aren't causing problems just because they smoke weed. You don't expect people to be turning up to work high (although some do and hide it well), in the same way that you don't expect them to turn up drunk (which some also do and hide it well). Many are afraid to talk about it in case it impacts their career, but if it helps them relax then so be it. If it isn't affecting your job then it's a non-issue for a lot of employers. If you drink alcohol you're doing some mental gymnastics to try vilify it.
If we move towards legalisation you'll find that a lot of the social problems with the strong-smelling stuff will diminish. For most smokers they just smoke what they can get, and due to no regulation most weed available is the strong-smelling stuff. If we regulate it, tax it, introduce some low-smell strains and promote other methods of intake, you'll soon find that the social issues will diminish. You'll likely also find social places (like pubs) will pop up with good extraction and ventilation (so as not to cause a nuisance to neighbours).
I used to be a regular smoker. I don't smoke it any more as I don't want to. I also used a vaporiser which massively reduces smell. I previously consumed it like some people have a glass of wine every night, and also medicinally as a muscle relaxant after a workout, or a pain reliever for a headache. However, CBD oil is widely available now (which contains <0.3% THC) and has medicinal properties itself. You don't become physically addicted to cannabis like you can with alcohol or opiates, but you can become psychologically dependent on it. It's not easy to stop smoking cannabis if you get to that stage, but it's much easier to stop than smoking tobacco. Weed smoking can have an impact on mental health, but it can also help improve it (if you can reliably get lower-THC strains). THC in high doses can and does cause some to have panic attacks.
Now, on to the driving aspect. It 'can' impair driving, but in a similar vein to someone who's just popped some painkillers. I would only ever smoke when I wasn't driving until late the next day (same as I do with alcohol). Not because I think it would affect my driving, but because I value my licence. I think the roadside tests can detect use up to 12 hours later, longer in heavy users.
I think a serious conversation needs to be had in parliament about it. The US and Canada are moving in the right direction - why aren't we? It would help bring many benefits to the country in the form of jobs and tax revenue to name a couple of things. I think we need a good figurehead to move it forward - Peter Reynolds who runs CLEAR (formerly LCC) isn't liked by many and has probably done more damage than good.
Back to the OP - approach them about it. Most smokers are reasonable but they won't see it as an issue if you don't tell them.
When alcohol was illegal people ended up with moonshine. As it wasn't freely available it was the unregulated stronger stuff that was available. Weed has been illegal now for almost 100 years and it's gradually been getting stronger.
I know successful people who smoke it every day, quite a few of them are business owners. There's more smokers in the UK than most of you realise - they don't go around telling everyone. It goes largely unpunished, and even those that are punished tend to be bringing attention to themselves in other ways anyway. The people causing problems typically aren't causing problems just because they smoke weed. You don't expect people to be turning up to work high (although some do and hide it well), in the same way that you don't expect them to turn up drunk (which some also do and hide it well). Many are afraid to talk about it in case it impacts their career, but if it helps them relax then so be it. If it isn't affecting your job then it's a non-issue for a lot of employers. If you drink alcohol you're doing some mental gymnastics to try vilify it.
If we move towards legalisation you'll find that a lot of the social problems with the strong-smelling stuff will diminish. For most smokers they just smoke what they can get, and due to no regulation most weed available is the strong-smelling stuff. If we regulate it, tax it, introduce some low-smell strains and promote other methods of intake, you'll soon find that the social issues will diminish. You'll likely also find social places (like pubs) will pop up with good extraction and ventilation (so as not to cause a nuisance to neighbours).
I used to be a regular smoker. I don't smoke it any more as I don't want to. I also used a vaporiser which massively reduces smell. I previously consumed it like some people have a glass of wine every night, and also medicinally as a muscle relaxant after a workout, or a pain reliever for a headache. However, CBD oil is widely available now (which contains <0.3% THC) and has medicinal properties itself. You don't become physically addicted to cannabis like you can with alcohol or opiates, but you can become psychologically dependent on it. It's not easy to stop smoking cannabis if you get to that stage, but it's much easier to stop than smoking tobacco. Weed smoking can have an impact on mental health, but it can also help improve it (if you can reliably get lower-THC strains). THC in high doses can and does cause some to have panic attacks.
Now, on to the driving aspect. It 'can' impair driving, but in a similar vein to someone who's just popped some painkillers. I would only ever smoke when I wasn't driving until late the next day (same as I do with alcohol). Not because I think it would affect my driving, but because I value my licence. I think the roadside tests can detect use up to 12 hours later, longer in heavy users.
I think a serious conversation needs to be had in parliament about it. The US and Canada are moving in the right direction - why aren't we? It would help bring many benefits to the country in the form of jobs and tax revenue to name a couple of things. I think we need a good figurehead to move it forward - Peter Reynolds who runs CLEAR (formerly LCC) isn't liked by many and has probably done more damage than good.
Back to the OP - approach them about it. Most smokers are reasonable but they won't see it as an issue if you don't tell them.
DaveE87 said:
Geez, some of the replies on here have clearly been made by people living a sheltered life.
When alcohol was illegal people ended up with moonshine. As it wasn't freely available it was the unregulated stronger stuff that was available. Weed has been illegal now for almost 100 years and it's gradually been getting stronger.
I know successful people who smoke it every day, quite a few of them are business owners. There's more smokers in the UK than most of you realise - they don't go around telling everyone. It goes largely unpunished, and even those that are punished tend to be bringing attention to themselves in other ways anyway. The people causing problems typically aren't causing problems just because they smoke weed. You don't expect people to be turning up to work high (although some do and hide it well), in the same way that you don't expect them to turn up drunk (which some also do and hide it well). Many are afraid to talk about it in case it impacts their career, but if it helps them relax then so be it. If it isn't affecting your job then it's a non-issue for a lot of employers. If you drink alcohol you're doing some mental gymnastics to try vilify it.
If we move towards legalisation you'll find that a lot of the social problems with the strong-smelling stuff will diminish. For most smokers they just smoke what they can get, and due to no regulation most weed available is the strong-smelling stuff. If we regulate it, tax it, introduce some low-smell strains and promote other methods of intake, you'll soon find that the social issues will diminish. You'll likely also find social places (like pubs) will pop up with good extraction and ventilation (so as not to cause a nuisance to neighbours).
I used to be a regular smoker. I don't smoke it any more as I don't want to. I also used a vaporiser which massively reduces smell. I previously consumed it like some people have a glass of wine every night, and also medicinally as a muscle relaxant after a workout, or a pain reliever for a headache. However, CBD oil is widely available now (which contains <0.3% THC) and has medicinal properties itself. You don't become physically addicted to cannabis like you can with alcohol or opiates, but you can become psychologically dependent on it. It's not easy to stop smoking cannabis if you get to that stage, but it's much easier to stop than smoking tobacco. Weed smoking can have an impact on mental health, but it can also help improve it (if you can reliably get lower-THC strains). THC in high doses can and does cause some to have panic attacks.
Now, on to the driving aspect. It 'can' impair driving, but in a similar vein to someone who's just popped some painkillers. I would only ever smoke when I wasn't driving until late the next day (same as I do with alcohol). Not because I think it would affect my driving, but because I value my licence. I think the roadside tests can detect use up to 12 hours later, longer in heavy users.
I think a serious conversation needs to be had in parliament about it. The US and Canada are moving in the right direction - why aren't we? It would help bring many benefits to the country in the form of jobs and tax revenue to name a couple of things. I think we need a good figurehead to move it forward - Peter Reynolds who runs CLEAR (formerly LCC) isn't liked by many and has probably done more damage than good.
Back to the OP - approach them about it. Most smokers are reasonable but they won't see it as an issue if you don't tell them.
You make several good points but I don't think we'll ever see the one in bold. Pubs (and all indoor public spaces) must be smoke free by law and I can't see that ever changing just for weed. When alcohol was illegal people ended up with moonshine. As it wasn't freely available it was the unregulated stronger stuff that was available. Weed has been illegal now for almost 100 years and it's gradually been getting stronger.
I know successful people who smoke it every day, quite a few of them are business owners. There's more smokers in the UK than most of you realise - they don't go around telling everyone. It goes largely unpunished, and even those that are punished tend to be bringing attention to themselves in other ways anyway. The people causing problems typically aren't causing problems just because they smoke weed. You don't expect people to be turning up to work high (although some do and hide it well), in the same way that you don't expect them to turn up drunk (which some also do and hide it well). Many are afraid to talk about it in case it impacts their career, but if it helps them relax then so be it. If it isn't affecting your job then it's a non-issue for a lot of employers. If you drink alcohol you're doing some mental gymnastics to try vilify it.
If we move towards legalisation you'll find that a lot of the social problems with the strong-smelling stuff will diminish. For most smokers they just smoke what they can get, and due to no regulation most weed available is the strong-smelling stuff. If we regulate it, tax it, introduce some low-smell strains and promote other methods of intake, you'll soon find that the social issues will diminish. You'll likely also find social places (like pubs) will pop up with good extraction and ventilation (so as not to cause a nuisance to neighbours).
I used to be a regular smoker. I don't smoke it any more as I don't want to. I also used a vaporiser which massively reduces smell. I previously consumed it like some people have a glass of wine every night, and also medicinally as a muscle relaxant after a workout, or a pain reliever for a headache. However, CBD oil is widely available now (which contains <0.3% THC) and has medicinal properties itself. You don't become physically addicted to cannabis like you can with alcohol or opiates, but you can become psychologically dependent on it. It's not easy to stop smoking cannabis if you get to that stage, but it's much easier to stop than smoking tobacco. Weed smoking can have an impact on mental health, but it can also help improve it (if you can reliably get lower-THC strains). THC in high doses can and does cause some to have panic attacks.
Now, on to the driving aspect. It 'can' impair driving, but in a similar vein to someone who's just popped some painkillers. I would only ever smoke when I wasn't driving until late the next day (same as I do with alcohol). Not because I think it would affect my driving, but because I value my licence. I think the roadside tests can detect use up to 12 hours later, longer in heavy users.
I think a serious conversation needs to be had in parliament about it. The US and Canada are moving in the right direction - why aren't we? It would help bring many benefits to the country in the form of jobs and tax revenue to name a couple of things. I think we need a good figurehead to move it forward - Peter Reynolds who runs CLEAR (formerly LCC) isn't liked by many and has probably done more damage than good.
Back to the OP - approach them about it. Most smokers are reasonable but they won't see it as an issue if you don't tell them.
To bring it up again - I'm still quite staggered that there is this great progression towards legalising weed yet we are essentially going down the road of banning tobacco smoking on health grounds. I cannot believe inhaling cannabis smoke is any less dangerous than inhaling the smoke of any other plant leaf.
AJL308 said:
You make several good points but I don't think we'll ever see the one in bold. Pubs (and all indoor public spaces) must be smoke free by law and I can't see that ever changing just for weed.
To bring it up again - I'm still quite staggered that there is this great progression towards legalising weed yet we are essentially going down the road of banning tobacco smoking on health grounds. I cannot believe inhaling cannabis smoke is any less dangerous than inhaling the smoke of any other plant leaf.
There are ways round the ventilation issue. Weed cafes in Barcelona have ventilated rooms which staff don't go in. They are pretty comfy, like a cross between a festival tent and a indy cinema. Tourists not allowed. Very civilised.To bring it up again - I'm still quite staggered that there is this great progression towards legalising weed yet we are essentially going down the road of banning tobacco smoking on health grounds. I cannot believe inhaling cannabis smoke is any less dangerous than inhaling the smoke of any other plant leaf.
Smoking by combustion is on the wane. Vaping much safer, though not without it's own different risks.
Jag_NE said:
This isn’t necessarily directed at the OP but I think people need to think about if their “irritations” due to the behaviour of others are driven by territorial feelings as opposed to something materially affecting their life....
Errrrr well we wouldn't have "territorial" issues if it was done indoors with the windows closed?Except they don't and are smoking an illegal drug in the same air we all breathe....which just so happens to be the same that my 6 month old is If he's sat in the garden.
hucumber said:
By weed smokers? I expect considerably less than alcohol users.
By users of other drugs? Depends entirely on the drugs you are talking about. Heroin and crack users will commit more crime than ecstasy or magic mushroom users for example.
But that isn't the point, we are discussing marijuana. And if you think people are going out en mass and committing crimes to feed their weed habit then you have no idea what you're talking about. If I could be bothered I would try and find out drug related crime (excluding selling) and alcohol related crime. I doubt the two are as far apart as you think
OK. Lets follow the money. A moderate daily drink habit is going to cost from £10 to £12 a day, say 1 or 2 bottles of wine or the equivalent. HMG will get around 50% of that in taxes and duty. That level of drinking will make long term employment in a decent job challenging. Doable on minimum wage, much harder on benefits only.By users of other drugs? Depends entirely on the drugs you are talking about. Heroin and crack users will commit more crime than ecstasy or magic mushroom users for example.
But that isn't the point, we are discussing marijuana. And if you think people are going out en mass and committing crimes to feed their weed habit then you have no idea what you're talking about. If I could be bothered I would try and find out drug related crime (excluding selling) and alcohol related crime. I doubt the two are as far apart as you think
A moderate cannabis habit is 2 to 3 grams a day at £6 to £8 a gram plus some rolling tobacco to smoke with so £14 to £26 a day. Likewise, hard to hold a decent job down, harder on benefits.
Both categories appear fairly common, though i can't find accurate figures. Though it would appear the two habits often go together.
Looks like cannabis is the more expensive pastime by £1,000 to £1,500 a year, so all things being equal.....
eldar said:
A moderate cannabis habit is 2 to 3 grams a day at £6 to £8 a gram plus some rolling tobacco to smoke with so £14 to £26 a day. Likewise, hard to hold a decent job down, harder on benefits.
Looks like cannabis is the more expensive pastime by £1,000 to £1,500 a year, so all things being equal.....
2 to 3 grams is a lot of weed to smoke every day.Looks like cannabis is the more expensive pastime by £1,000 to £1,500 a year, so all things being equal.....
NMNeil said:
eldar said:
A moderate cannabis habit is 2 to 3 grams a day at £6 to £8 a gram plus some rolling tobacco to smoke with so £14 to £26 a day. Likewise, hard to hold a decent job down, harder on benefits.
Looks like cannabis is the more expensive pastime by £1,000 to £1,500 a year, so all things being equal.....
2 to 3 grams is a lot of weed to smoke every day.Looks like cannabis is the more expensive pastime by £1,000 to £1,500 a year, so all things being equal.....
Your maths doesn't work. Unlike pretty much every weed smoker I know.
People have a misconception that people who smoke don't have jobs but it simply isn't true.
eldar said:
OK. Lets follow the money. A moderate daily drink habit is going to cost from £10 to £12 a day, say 1 or 2 bottles of wine or the equivalent. HMG will get around 50% of that in taxes and duty. That level of drinking will make long term employment in a decent job challenging. Doable on minimum wage, much harder on benefits only.
A moderate cannabis habit is 2 to 3 grams a day at £6 to £8 a gram plus some rolling tobacco to smoke with so £14 to £26 a day. Likewise, hard to hold a decent job down, harder on benefits.
Both categories appear fairly common, though i can't find accurate figures. Though it would appear the two habits often go together.
Looks like cannabis is the more expensive pastime by £1,000 to £1,500 a year, so all things being equal.....
Lol why not comment on something you have even the faintest idea about instead of this?A moderate cannabis habit is 2 to 3 grams a day at £6 to £8 a gram plus some rolling tobacco to smoke with so £14 to £26 a day. Likewise, hard to hold a decent job down, harder on benefits.
Both categories appear fairly common, though i can't find accurate figures. Though it would appear the two habits often go together.
Looks like cannabis is the more expensive pastime by £1,000 to £1,500 a year, so all things being equal.....
hucumber said:
Exactly. Drunkeness is far more anti social than smoking weed, its only conditioning that makes people think any different. Theres a good podcast by Professor David Nutt about alcohol, off the top of my head he said it costs the NHS 3 billion pounds a year
But this is an argument for more regulation of alcohol, not less regulation of weed, right?Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff