Potential to loose £10k from the sale of my car! HELP! SCAM
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Vaud said:
superlightr said:
KFC said:
superlightr said:
has the car actually been sold? is it still at the premises?
If you're going to reply why not read the thread first alwoodman said:
The dealer told me it sold (as in done deal and money transferred with the buyer) on 19th Jan 2015 but I phoned the DVLA on Tuesday this week, when I told them i thought i'd be scammed they made a point of telling me the date the tax rebate went to my home address which meant that the registered owner had changed shortly before that and that was in November 2014.
Gees, it's so easy to miss those cheques dropping on your doormat huh ...alwoodman said:
The dealer told me it sold (as in done deal and money transferred with the buyer) on 19th Jan 2015 but I phoned the DVLA on Tuesday this week, when I told them i thought i'd be scammed they made a point of telling me the date the tax rebate went to my home address which meant that the registered owner had changed shortly before that and that was in November 2014.
apologies if I'm mis-remembering anything.I know its supposed to be on sale or return but maybe the guy just assumed he would be selling it so told the DVLA it was put into the motor trade when you gave it him in November? so the tax would have come off it then but he didnt necessarily sell it until a week or so ago? So if he pays up the full amount he has also got you 2 more moths of tax back.
Not on his side with this by any stretch, he sounds like a dirt bag, just trying to think of possible scenarios.
Can the DVLA tell you how long the current owner has had the car?
PurpleMoonlight said:
alwoodman said:
The dealer told me it sold (as in done deal and money transferred with the buyer) on 19th Jan 2015 but I phoned the DVLA on Tuesday this week, when I told them i thought i'd be scammed they made a point of telling me the date the tax rebate went to my home address which meant that the registered owner had changed shortly before that and that was in November 2014.
Gees, it's so easy to miss those cheques dropping on your doormat huh ...RB Will said:
alwoodman said:
The dealer told me it sold (as in done deal and money transferred with the buyer) on 19th Jan 2015 but I phoned the DVLA on Tuesday this week, when I told them i thought i'd be scammed they made a point of telling me the date the tax rebate went to my home address which meant that the registered owner had changed shortly before that and that was in November 2014.
apologies if I'm mis-remembering anything.I know its supposed to be on sale or return but maybe the guy just assumed he would be selling it so told the DVLA it was put into the motor trade when you gave it him in November? so the tax would have come off it then but he didnt necessarily sell it until a week or so ago? So if he pays up the full amount he has also got you 2 more moths of tax back.
Not on his side with this by any stretch, he sounds like a dirt bag, just trying to think of possible scenarios.
Can the DVLA tell you how long the current owner has had the car?
The cheque (if it ever arrives) will bounce.
However as has already been said, you can get summary judgement on the value of the cheque. By giving you a cheque the dealer is effectively admitting that he owes you that money. You take him to small claims court and he won't be able to defend the claim - I think, IANAL.
However as has already been said, you can get summary judgement on the value of the cheque. By giving you a cheque the dealer is effectively admitting that he owes you that money. You take him to small claims court and he won't be able to defend the claim - I think, IANAL.
garyhun said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
I hope the dealer knows you have moved then. Wouldn't want your sale cheque going to the wrong address.
Good point. After his last email I would have replied with the correct address again, just to make sure he does not try the "sorry, wrong address guv" excuse.alwoodman said:
garyhun said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
I hope the dealer knows you have moved then. Wouldn't want your sale cheque going to the wrong address.
Good point. After his last email I would have replied with the correct address again, just to make sure he does not try the "sorry, wrong address guv" excuse.mikeveal said:
The cheque (if it ever arrives) will bounce.
However as has already been said, you can get summary judgement on the value of the cheque. By giving you a cheque the dealer is effectively admitting that he owes you that money. You take him to small claims court and he won't be able to defend the claim - I think, IANAL.
Taking a business which isn't trading to court is a good way to throw money down the drain... However as has already been said, you can get summary judgement on the value of the cheque. By giving you a cheque the dealer is effectively admitting that he owes you that money. You take him to small claims court and he won't be able to defend the claim - I think, IANAL.
Get to his place of work OP - get to his home. Get into his world and make his life horrible until you get your money.
photosnob said:
mikeveal said:
The cheque (if it ever arrives) will bounce.
However as has already been said, you can get summary judgement on the value of the cheque. By giving you a cheque the dealer is effectively admitting that he owes you that money. You take him to small claims court and he won't be able to defend the claim - I think, IANAL.
Taking a business which isn't trading to court is a good way to throw money down the drain... However as has already been said, you can get summary judgement on the value of the cheque. By giving you a cheque the dealer is effectively admitting that he owes you that money. You take him to small claims court and he won't be able to defend the claim - I think, IANAL.
Get to his place of work OP - get to his home. Get into his world and make his life horrible until you get your money.
Hi alwoodman.
There is no theft in relation to criminal law, unless a series of similar events can be proved but forget this as time is of the essence.
There are, probably issues in relation civil law but again forget this for now as it takes too long.
If you want to see any of this money again you have to get it tomorrow and not by cheque, but a bank transfer or cash. I cannot stress this enough!
Leave a solicitor for now as again it takes too much time.
You need to be at his office at 9am with a couple of large ugly friends and do not leave until you have the money.
People like this know how to play the game and there is every chance that the business will be wound up shortly. If that happens you will probably get nothing and in the eyes of the law there is nothing that you will be able to do!
If you do not have any luck, seize some property of his in relation to his debt (his laptop in front of him usually works well). This is legal and I have done this before.
Time is of the essence!
Final point. There is every chance that he is reading these threads.
I hope this is of help..
Andy.
There is no theft in relation to criminal law, unless a series of similar events can be proved but forget this as time is of the essence.
There are, probably issues in relation civil law but again forget this for now as it takes too long.
If you want to see any of this money again you have to get it tomorrow and not by cheque, but a bank transfer or cash. I cannot stress this enough!
Leave a solicitor for now as again it takes too much time.
You need to be at his office at 9am with a couple of large ugly friends and do not leave until you have the money.
People like this know how to play the game and there is every chance that the business will be wound up shortly. If that happens you will probably get nothing and in the eyes of the law there is nothing that you will be able to do!
If you do not have any luck, seize some property of his in relation to his debt (his laptop in front of him usually works well). This is legal and I have done this before.
Time is of the essence!
Final point. There is every chance that he is reading these threads.
I hope this is of help..
Andy.
AndyWiltshire said:
Hi alwoodman.
There is no theft in relation to criminal law, unless a series of similar events can be proved but forget this as time is of the essence.
There are, probably issues in relation civil law but again forget this for now as it takes too long.
If you want to see any of this money again you have to get it tomorrow and not by cheque, but a bank transfer or cash. I cannot stress this enough!
Leave a solicitor for now as again it takes too much time.
You need to be at his office at 9am with a couple of large ugly friends and do not leave until you have the money.
People like this know how to play the game and there is every chance that the business will be wound up shortly. If that happens you will probably get nothing and in the eyes of the law there is nothing that you will be able to do!
If you do not have any luck, seize some property of his in relation to his debt (his laptop in front of him usually works well). This is legal and I have done this before.
Time is of the essence!
Final point. There is every chance that he is reading these threads.
I hope this is of help..
Andy.
Eclassy....is that you?There is no theft in relation to criminal law, unless a series of similar events can be proved but forget this as time is of the essence.
There are, probably issues in relation civil law but again forget this for now as it takes too long.
If you want to see any of this money again you have to get it tomorrow and not by cheque, but a bank transfer or cash. I cannot stress this enough!
Leave a solicitor for now as again it takes too much time.
You need to be at his office at 9am with a couple of large ugly friends and do not leave until you have the money.
People like this know how to play the game and there is every chance that the business will be wound up shortly. If that happens you will probably get nothing and in the eyes of the law there is nothing that you will be able to do!
If you do not have any luck, seize some property of his in relation to his debt (his laptop in front of him usually works well). This is legal and I have done this before.
Time is of the essence!
Final point. There is every chance that he is reading these threads.
I hope this is of help..
Andy.
photosnob said:
Taking a business which isn't trading to court is a good way to throw money down the drain...
Get to his place of work OP - get to his home. Get into his world and make his life horrible until you get your money.
So if I did report this car stolen the sales document that the new owner has will be null and void because the new company that sold it had no right to do so in the first place?Get to his place of work OP - get to his home. Get into his world and make his life horrible until you get your money.
alwoodman said:
photosnob said:
Taking a business which isn't trading to court is a good way to throw money down the drain...
Get to his place of work OP - get to his home. Get into his world and make his life horrible until you get your money.
So if I did report this car stolen the sales document that the new owner has will be null and void because the new company that sold it had no right to do so in the first place?Get to his place of work OP - get to his home. Get into his world and make his life horrible until you get your money.
The new owner owes you nothing.
The car dealer owes you £10k.
KFC said:
alwoodman said:
photosnob said:
Taking a business which isn't trading to court is a good way to throw money down the drain...
Get to his place of work OP - get to his home. Get into his world and make his life horrible until you get your money.
So if I did report this car stolen the sales document that the new owner has will be null and void because the new company that sold it had no right to do so in the first place?Get to his place of work OP - get to his home. Get into his world and make his life horrible until you get your money.
The new owner owes you nothing.
The car dealer owes you £10k.
OP - why can't you post up the original agreement?
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