Other driver pranged barrier while overtaking.
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I got overtaken yesterday by an idiot... I was signalling right on my bicycle at the time. The overtake initiated after I had started signalling. Fortunately, I heard it, so didn't make the turn... and then the idiot wasn't even driving as quickly as I would be riding!
So yes, I avoided the collision, but a stupid overtake nontheless (especially seeing as I don't have mirrors!).
So yes, I avoided the collision, but a stupid overtake nontheless (especially seeing as I don't have mirrors!).
roadsmash said:
OP please can you update this thread once it’s ruled as a 50/50, thanks.
I will do 👍Contacted our insurance and no-one has tried to claim from us as of yet.
Having spoken to my wife first hand, it seems that the bus had stopped for a second at most, she moved out slightly but doesn't believe she crossed the white line onto the other side of the road as it was just the rear right corner of the bus that was sticking out. They had been stuck behind the bus for miles as there is limited overtaking opportunities on a twisty rural road. She says she checked her wing mirror but not her rear view. Presumably she just glanced at it as she didn't intend to cross to the other side of the road and therefore didn't see anything *roll eyes emoji*.
Seems to me that the L200 type truck tried to overtake the whole que at once, got near the front and presumed my wife would pull out completely in front of him when he saw her start to move right so binned it into the barrier unaware that she was not going to cross into his lane. Final resting position was:
Bus is in bus stop/wife in her lane/truck in adjacent lane against barrier with space between our car and him.
Whether it goes 50/50 or not I don't really mind, as long as everyone is ok. It'll be the first claim I've had it 22 years so I'm probably overdue an anal pounding by the insurance people 😂
How do I host a pic of street view?
Paulm4 said:
I will do ??
Contacted our insurance and no-one has tried to claim from us as of yet.
Having spoken to my wife first hand, it seems that the bus had stopped for a second at most, she moved out slightly but doesn't believe she crossed the white line onto the other side of the road as it was just the rear right corner of the bus that was sticking out. They had been stuck behind the bus for miles as there is limited overtaking opportunities on a twisty rural road. She says she checked her wing mirror but not her rear view. Presumably she just glanced at it as she didn't intend to cross to the other side of the road and therefore didn't see anything *roll eyes emoji*.
Seems to me that the L200 type truck tried to overtake the whole que at once, got near the front and presumed my wife would pull out completely in front of him when he saw her start to move right so binned it into the barrier unaware that she was not going to cross into his lane. Final resting position was:
Bus is in bus stop/wife in her lane/truck in adjacent lane against barrier with space between our car and him.
Whether it goes 50/50 or not I don't really mind, as long as everyone is ok. It'll be the first claim I've had it 22 years so I'm probably overdue an anal pounding by the insurance people ??
How do I host a pic of street view?
Just copy the URL of the street view when you're in your desired place.Contacted our insurance and no-one has tried to claim from us as of yet.
Having spoken to my wife first hand, it seems that the bus had stopped for a second at most, she moved out slightly but doesn't believe she crossed the white line onto the other side of the road as it was just the rear right corner of the bus that was sticking out. They had been stuck behind the bus for miles as there is limited overtaking opportunities on a twisty rural road. She says she checked her wing mirror but not her rear view. Presumably she just glanced at it as she didn't intend to cross to the other side of the road and therefore didn't see anything *roll eyes emoji*.
Seems to me that the L200 type truck tried to overtake the whole que at once, got near the front and presumed my wife would pull out completely in front of him when he saw her start to move right so binned it into the barrier unaware that she was not going to cross into his lane. Final resting position was:
Bus is in bus stop/wife in her lane/truck in adjacent lane against barrier with space between our car and him.
Whether it goes 50/50 or not I don't really mind, as long as everyone is ok. It'll be the first claim I've had it 22 years so I'm probably overdue an anal pounding by the insurance people ??
How do I host a pic of street view?
KungFuPanda said:
Durzel said:
Did the wife actually make contact with third party? No.
Did the wife use mind control to make third party drive off the road? No.
Sounds to me like third party wasn’t apprehensive enough about passing and/or was driving too fast for the manoeuvre, didn’t read the road ahead properly to anticipate the car in front pulling out to overtake the bus.
Sometimes you don’t need contact to occur for liability to attach to you. What if you pulled out of a give way junction and a motorcyclist had to serve and came off his bike to avoid your front end?Did the wife use mind control to make third party drive off the road? No.
Sounds to me like third party wasn’t apprehensive enough about passing and/or was driving too fast for the manoeuvre, didn’t read the road ahead properly to anticipate the car in front pulling out to overtake the bus.
Also, do you know what apprehensive means?
apprehensive
/aprɪˈhɛnsɪv/
adjective
1.
anxious or fearful that something bad or unpleasant will happen.
Seems to fit perfectly!
Mrs Op pulled into the path of another vehicle.
Mrs Op did not make proper checks before manouvering.
It sounds like the pick up driver was making a legal overtake but his risk assessment was lacking. It also sounds like if Mrs Op hadn’t pulled out he would have completed the overtake without issue.
I also think that Mrs Op may have been a bit close to the bus and maybe inattentive and was caught out when it stopped.
On balance for me the majority of the fault lies with the Ops wife.
Mrs Op did not make proper checks before manouvering.
It sounds like the pick up driver was making a legal overtake but his risk assessment was lacking. It also sounds like if Mrs Op hadn’t pulled out he would have completed the overtake without issue.
I also think that Mrs Op may have been a bit close to the bus and maybe inattentive and was caught out when it stopped.
On balance for me the majority of the fault lies with the Ops wife.
Dont like rolls said:
The lie might work but it still lying and making the other driver pay for the OP wife's careless driving.
I am quite disgusted that on a Motoring forum we have "people" suggesting such action might be a good thing.
From the description above I would not class it as careless driving particularly, the pickup driver I would put at fault.I am quite disgusted that on a Motoring forum we have "people" suggesting such action might be a good thing.
But, without exact detail, its really impossible to determine.
It would seem odd that a driver would have binned it with someone just moving right slightly but remaining to the left of the white line, but it could have been a total over reaction partially due to speed.
Probably should give up on this one, we will never know.
Gary C said:
From the description above I would not class it as careless driving particularly, the pickup driver I would put at fault.
But, without exact detail, its really impossible to determine.
It would seem odd that a driver would have binned it with someone just moving right slightly but remaining to the left of the white line, but it could have been a total over reaction partially due to speed.
Probably should give up on this one, we will never know.
You'd need both sides of the story to come to a conclusion. One (wo)man's slight movement is another's clear intention to enter the lane and inevitably collide without some reaction.But, without exact detail, its really impossible to determine.
It would seem odd that a driver would have binned it with someone just moving right slightly but remaining to the left of the white line, but it could have been a total over reaction partially due to speed.
Probably should give up on this one, we will never know.
It's a very tight piece of road with little space for accommodating encroaches into your lane.
Well that streetview image does clear things up somewhat IMO, obviously we still don't know what went on because we weren't there, however looking at the streetview I still don't understand why the 4x4 driver was attempting an overtake. There looks to be a (probably not used very often) junction just after the bus stop too.
markjmd said:
If OP's wife didn't cross the white-line, which appears to be the case, then this has to be 100% the pickup driver's own stupid fault.
Ah ...that would be the changed story bit. Assuming I know, but I do not believe that bit about not crossing over the white and the bit about the bus stopped but sticking out, big pull off area for the bus there.. My bet is still on her "jinking out" to pass a bus that is pulling in....them WOOPS a 4x4.this topic is in sp&l. lot of posters relying upon a rather strict, maybe questionable, interpretation of the law. (admit i don't know the HC, but someone earlier did post a section relating to buses).
i wonder how the thread would have gone in Advanced Driving?
OP's wife has already confessed to not paying full attention, but any driver attempting an overtake of other cars and a bus on that road is an utter bell-end in my book.
i wonder how the thread would have gone in Advanced Driving?
OP's wife has already confessed to not paying full attention, but any driver attempting an overtake of other cars and a bus on that road is an utter bell-end in my book.
hmmm, I suspect this would go 50/50 with the insurers.
The 4x4 would had a look and not unreasonably, nor illegally, gone for an overtake and had the bus not gone in to the bus stop probably managed it safely.
However, the bus did stop, I think the OPs wife must have crossed the white lines with her offside wheels to avoid the bus which would have partially been in the bus stop and partially in the road, she also by her own admission didn't see the 4x4, was he in her blind spot or did she really assume no one would be coming past and didn't really look..... after all no one can really "come out of nowhere" can they? they just didn't come from where they were expected to so poor observation from OPs wife but had the 4x4 not been going for an overtake then the situation would not have arisen and isn't there something about it being the responsibility of the overtaker to make sure that can do so safely?
The 4x4 would had a look and not unreasonably, nor illegally, gone for an overtake and had the bus not gone in to the bus stop probably managed it safely.
However, the bus did stop, I think the OPs wife must have crossed the white lines with her offside wheels to avoid the bus which would have partially been in the bus stop and partially in the road, she also by her own admission didn't see the 4x4, was he in her blind spot or did she really assume no one would be coming past and didn't really look..... after all no one can really "come out of nowhere" can they? they just didn't come from where they were expected to so poor observation from OPs wife but had the 4x4 not been going for an overtake then the situation would not have arisen and isn't there something about it being the responsibility of the overtaker to make sure that can do so safely?
CABC said:
this topic is in sp&l. lot of posters relying upon a rather strict, maybe questionable, interpretation of the law. (admit i don't know the HC, but someone earlier did post a section relating to buses).
i wonder how the thread would have gone in Advanced Driving?
OP's wife has already confessed to not paying full attention, but any driver attempting an overtake of other cars and a bus on that road is an utter bell-end in my book.
Why ? It is a long straight road and if people do not pull out whilst you over take what exactly is the problem ?i wonder how the thread would have gone in Advanced Driving?
OP's wife has already confessed to not paying full attention, but any driver attempting an overtake of other cars and a bus on that road is an utter bell-end in my book.
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