Chris Kaba Shooting

[DaveA8]

Greendubber said:

nordboy said:

Non story

IOPC do the investigation, then the CPS HAVE to be sent the file to make the decision in cases like these. Totally normal.

Exactly, sadly some folks don't realise that and are using it to push their agendas.

It's not a non story for the poor officer who is facing a possible life sentence, why the hell does anyone bother doing that job, my son once expressed a desire to be a police officer after university, I quickly disabused him of that idiocy. It's thoroughly honourable profession destroyed political correctness and stymied by people who are brave from the comfort of an office.
I have the greatest sympathy for that officer and none for anyone else.

[freedman]

TheDrownedApe said:

very surprised after seeing the video.

You’ve seen the video?

[TheDrownedApe]

freedman said:

TheDrownedApe said:

very surprised after seeing the video.

You’ve seen the video?

Think we saw the very end when the incident first happened. Wasn't he trying to ram is way out of a police blockade with armed officers on foot and at risk of being runover/trapped?

or is that another incident?

[Countdown]

Trevatanus said:

So yesterday, I am sure I heard a report that "the MET was institutionally racist, homophobic, etc" and today we get this.
The timing sucks.
The family saw the video and have been silent ever since.

I am sure that many people have worked very hard in coming to the correct conclusion. I just hope that their conclusion was not " we need a sacrificial lamb"

Wasn't that 25 years ago?

[Audimercorbm]

I have seen said video.
And yes it shows the deceased being directed loudly and several times to get out of the car with his hands up
He chose to continue to try to ram his way out of the box, if he had got though he would have been driving directly at the officer who shot him
Therefore he was using the car as a weapon, the officer had the split second decision to stop him in his tracks,nor be run over as he was in the road ahead of the car.
As we all know if you are looking through the windscreen of a car at a driver, there is only 1 part of their body you can see, that was his only shot
In my opinion he was fully justified in the action he took, he took the only course of action he could at the time
Even an officer at the side window would only have had line of sight of the guys head too

Same thing is true now as it was them, if he had got out of the car when asked he wouldn't have been shot

[croyde]

Also if he had rammed his way through, the public would have been at risk.

[GMT13]

There must be something else that came to light, something in the officers background maybe.

I hope that is the case anyway and it isn't just a case of trial by media/political pressure.

[freedman]

GMT13 said:

There must be something else that came to light, something in the officers background maybe.

I hope that is the case anyway and it isn't just a case of trial by media/political pressure.

Unfortunately I’m pretty sure the latter is the likely reason

[Tango13]

freedman said:

GMT13 said:

There must be something else that came to light, something in the officers background maybe.

I hope that is the case anyway and it isn't just a case of trial by media/political pressure.

Unfortunately I’m pretty sure the latter is the likely reason

A hotbed of cold feet, I'd wager everyone from the IOPC and CPS involved know the decision to charge is bks but no one is brave enough to put their head above the parapet and call the whole situation for the politically motivated trial by media that it is.

A case of dumping it on the law courts so it becomes someone else's problem whatever the verdict.

[pork911]

Audimercorbm said:

he was fully justified in the action he took, he took the only course of action he could at the time

hmmm

[Bigends]

TheDrownedApe said:

freedman said:

TheDrownedApe said:

very surprised after seeing the video.

You’ve seen the video?

Think we saw the very end when the incident first happened. Wasn't he trying to ram is way out of a police blockade with armed officers on foot and at risk of being runover/trapped?

or is that another incident?

Maybe another - I dont recall any video of this incident posted

[Bigends]

freedman said:

GMT13 said:

There must be something else that came to light, something in the officers background maybe.

I hope that is the case anyway and it isn't just a case of trial by media/political pressure.

Unfortunately I’m pretty sure the latter is the likely reason

..and not maybe, that the officer acted unlawfully?

How about wait for details to come out during the trial

[Bigends]

Audimercorbm said:

I have seen said video.
And yes it shows the deceased being directed loudly and several times to get out of the car with his hands up
He chose to continue to try to ram his way out of the box, if he had got though he would have been driving directly at the officer who shot him
Therefore he was using the car as a weapon, the officer had the split second decision to stop him in his tracks,nor be run over as he was in the road ahead of the car.
As we all know if you are looking through the windscreen of a car at a driver, there is only 1 part of their body you can see, that was his only shot
In my opinion he was fully justified in the action he took, he took the only course of action he could at the time
Even an officer at the side window would only have had line of sight of the guys head too

Same thing is true now as it was them, if he had got out of the car when asked he wouldn't have been shot

Any link to said video?

[98elise]

Bigends said:

Audimercorbm said:

I have seen said video.
And yes it shows the deceased being directed loudly and several times to get out of the car with his hands up
He chose to continue to try to ram his way out of the box, if he had got though he would have been driving directly at the officer who shot him
Therefore he was using the car as a weapon, the officer had the split second decision to stop him in his tracks,nor be run over as he was in the road ahead of the car.
As we all know if you are looking through the windscreen of a car at a driver, there is only 1 part of their body you can see, that was his only shot
In my opinion he was fully justified in the action he took, he took the only course of action he could at the time
Even an officer at the side window would only have had line of sight of the guys head too

Same thing is true now as it was them, if he had got out of the car when asked he wouldn't have been shot

Any link to said video?

I'm pretty sure it wasn't released. The family got to see it though.

[Mojooo]

Another hard stop gone wrong?

I was speaking to a reasonably new PC about 6 years ago and he was desperate to get into the firearms section... some people just want the action and these hard stops give it to them.. I wonder if they are always the best solution.

[stinkyspanner]

Who on earth would want to be a Policemanwoman these days, particularly armed response. These liberal numpties will absolutely wet their pants with glee if they manage to charge one with murder.
The thugs will have a field day

[freedman]

Mojooo said:

Another hard stop gone wrong?

I was speaking to a reasonably new PC about 6 years ago and he was desperate to get into the firearms section... some people just want the action and these hard stops give it to them.. I wonder if they are always the best solution.

How else do you suggest they would have stopped him?

[ZedLeg]

stinkyspanner said:

Who on earth would want to be a Policemanwoman these days, particularly armed response. These liberal numpties will absolutely wet their pants with glee if they manage to charge one with murder.
The thugs will have a field day

The officer shot an unarmed man, what do you think should happen, a pat on the back and a raise?

[Tonberry]

ZedLeg said:

The officer shot an unarmed man, what do you think should happen, a pat on the back and a raise?

Weird isn't it?

Many people fail to stop, and some cause carnage in the process. Some even drive through police barricades.

But they're never shot by the police, and most right thinking people wouldn't call for them to be. They're just eventually apprehended and charged as the law suggests they should be.

[happy fish]

If I was an officer in the firearms unit I would hand back my firearms card and call it a day .
If you have no backing from your bosses or the public why do it.
London now is dangerous and lawless and it’s getting worse , lived here all my life , from witnessing shoplifting, fighting ,road rage . My son was robbed on the tube a few years ago and friends having being burgled.
The modern day police have an impossible job , who or why would join up.