Police and Security "Auditers"
Discussion
MYOB said:
I’m not big on social media and have only just discovered these “auditors”. They are highly addictive and some of them are extremely hilarious. But extremely worrying to see abuse of powers by certain people, especially the police.
I genuinely have never heard of these “auditors” until last weekend.
The Police have been instructed repeatedly by previous and current governing bodies (ACPO/NPCC etc) to stop abusing their powers in order to harass, detain, or arrest amateur photographers/videographers, but they carry on doing it. Seeing someone with a camera seems to be like crack cocaine to them. I genuinely have never heard of these “auditors” until last weekend.
They even managed to get Section 44 repealed in due to their constant abuse of it.
They have now moved on to abusing Section 43 (Terrorism Act), Section 50 (anti-social behaviour), and Section 5 (Causing harassment, alarm or distress ).
It is so prevalent that the Blackbelt Barrister did a video on filming in public a few days ago, and said that when the Police do use abuse their powers to claim that public photography is causing 'harassment, alarm or distress' or that it is 'anti-social behaviour' their logic is completely flawed as it falls well short of any test that would need to be met for either of those conditions, but clearly the Police either don't understand this or don't care.
Some of these auditors have had payout after payout from the Police, after an unlawful search/arrest, but yet some Police continue to take the bait every time.
Mr Miata said:
mickythefish said:
i watched one, my taxes pay your wages, the auditor was on benefits, so technically both employed by the government. the best freedom fighters are paid by the state i find
How do you know the auditor is on benefits? Rusty Old-Banger said:
Mr Miata said:
mickythefish said:
i watched one, my taxes pay your wages, the auditor was on benefits, so technically both employed by the government. the best freedom fighters are paid by the state i find
How do you know the auditor is on benefits? The more infamous auditors are laughing all the way to the bank. Although that money is going to become addictive and they are going to have to chase the more extreme reactions. I’m guessing the police got clued up in general and that’s why they have moved onto business premises in the last few years.
I'd never heard of auditors until "Audit The Auditors" commented on my video 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GqOm-keyss
:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GqOm-keyss
Mr Miata said:
How do you know the auditor is on benefits?
There is a whole community on pip etc know they can earn just enough, the top auditors give them gifts to circumvent the system.If I was a freedom fighter I'm not sure I would want the government to pay my wages. They all smoke weed and doss around all day as well. Yes some don't but the majority are basically scum.
I used to watch a lot of these audit videos, but they soon become repetitive and boring.
The only one I watch now is an American channel called honor your oath civil rights investigations.
The owner of the channel travels around small towns in mostly Florida and Georgia, and stands in public places, usually outside city hall or churches with a simple sign saying “God bless the homeless Vets”
The way people get offended by this and call the police to have him removed is pathetic. He always remains polite and respectful, and every time his rights are violated he sues for $1791 (the year the bill of rights was ratified) and donates the money to veteran charities.
The only one I watch now is an American channel called honor your oath civil rights investigations.
The owner of the channel travels around small towns in mostly Florida and Georgia, and stands in public places, usually outside city hall or churches with a simple sign saying “God bless the homeless Vets”
The way people get offended by this and call the police to have him removed is pathetic. He always remains polite and respectful, and every time his rights are violated he sues for $1791 (the year the bill of rights was ratified) and donates the money to veteran charities.
J6542 said:
I used to watch a lot of these audit videos, but they soon become repetitive and boring.
The only one I watch now is an American channel called honor your oath civil rights investigations.
The owner of the channel travels around small towns in mostly Florida and Georgia, and stands in public places, usually outside city hall or churches with a simple sign saying “God bless the homeless Vets”
The way people get offended by this and call the police to have him removed is pathetic. He always remains polite and respectful, and every time his rights are violated he sues for $1791 (the year the bill of rights was ratified) and donates the money to veteran charities.
That guy is class.The only one I watch now is an American channel called honor your oath civil rights investigations.
The owner of the channel travels around small towns in mostly Florida and Georgia, and stands in public places, usually outside city hall or churches with a simple sign saying “God bless the homeless Vets”
The way people get offended by this and call the police to have him removed is pathetic. He always remains polite and respectful, and every time his rights are violated he sues for $1791 (the year the bill of rights was ratified) and donates the money to veteran charities.
Mont Blanc said:
The Police have been instructed repeatedly by previous and current governing bodies (ACPO/NPCC etc) to stop abusing their powers in order to harass, detain, or arrest amateur photographers/videographers, but they carry on doing it. Seeing someone with a camera seems to be like crack cocaine to them.
They even managed to get Section 44 repealed in due to their constant abuse of it.
They have now moved on to abusing Section 43 (Terrorism Act), Section 50 (anti-social behaviour), and Section 5 (Causing harassment, alarm or distress ).
It is so prevalent that the Blackbelt Barrister did a video on filming in public a few days ago, and said that when the Police do use abuse their powers to claim that public photography is causing 'harassment, alarm or distress' or that it is 'anti-social behaviour' their logic is completely flawed as it falls well short of any test that would need to be met for either of those conditions, but clearly the Police either don't understand this or don't care.
Some of these auditors have had payout after payout from the Police, after an unlawful search/arrest, but yet some Police continue to take the bait every time.
From what I can see, auditors have had to change tact in order to provoke the reactions they were previously getting just by silently filming sensitive buildings, vehicles etc and claiming to be doing this under the guise of PINAC, or photography in public is not a crime, and awaiting the inevitable approach. That objective appears to have been completed a few years ago now.They even managed to get Section 44 repealed in due to their constant abuse of it.
They have now moved on to abusing Section 43 (Terrorism Act), Section 50 (anti-social behaviour), and Section 5 (Causing harassment, alarm or distress ).
It is so prevalent that the Blackbelt Barrister did a video on filming in public a few days ago, and said that when the Police do use abuse their powers to claim that public photography is causing 'harassment, alarm or distress' or that it is 'anti-social behaviour' their logic is completely flawed as it falls well short of any test that would need to be met for either of those conditions, but clearly the Police either don't understand this or don't care.
Some of these auditors have had payout after payout from the Police, after an unlawful search/arrest, but yet some Police continue to take the bait every time.
As the authorities slowly acknowledged this and left them to it, we now have auditors placing themselves in the way of arrests, getting in between police and custodies at times or generally becoming an obstruction, pushing to be arrested.
All the while this is generally accompanied by foul language towards the officers, knowing that a Section 5 against an officer generally isn't a thing if there are no other members of the public present. Or at least that is my understanding of it.
Another favourite appears to be trying to enter what any normal person would assume to be a private area such as a police compound and go vehicle to vehicle filming in the windows etc, waiting for the reaction from anyone who happens to see this, and that claiming because a gate was open or the likes, there was an implied right of access, despite there being clear signs saying otherwise. The next stage is to then to refuse to leave and when threatened with being removed by means of reasonable force, to immediately exclaim they'll defend themselves if that were to happen.
Ironically, job centres is another area they like to try this tactic, claiming it to be a public building and they can do what they like within it as a member of the public. And when the police arrive, suddenly it's about how trespass is a civil crime and there's nothing the cops can do.
There also appears to be an attack on the blue line charity patch some officers choose to purchase and wear to show support towards officers who have died whilst in service, with it being likened to a gang patch and affiliated with the punisher badges some American officers wear, and demanding they remove it there and then because it is not part of uniform policy and it's causing the auditor distress.
It's just another pressure point tactic being used to get they reaction they desire for the views they need to get the revenue from same.
Auditing appears to be a on a continually downward spiral towards more aggression and provocation and there will surely be a breaking point soon.
Jamescrs said:
The latest thing seems to be the "auditors" visiting car dealerships, a good mate of mine who works in sales for a main dealer had a visit from one of the auditors, he sent me a link to the video and to be fair he comes across very well trying to sell the auditor an EV.
This one is hilarious. The "auditor" is a prize knob.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVxoelrGmR4&t=...
mickythefish said:
They are given benefits which come with requirements and restrictions. I would say they are. The money doesn't come out of thin air.
I didn’t say that it comes out of thin air. Your points are not what defines a job. They are not employed by the government, we have actual legislation in the UK around what employment is, and receipt of benefits is not included.Your (weird) definition would say children are employed by their parents. You can’t just completely redefine words to suit your argument.
Ken_Code said:
I didn’t say that it comes out of thin air. Your points are not what defines a job. They are not employed by the government, we have actual legislation in the UK around what employment is, and receipt of benefits is not included.
Your (weird) definition would say children are employed by their parents. You can’t just completely redefine words to suit your argument.
Taxes are collected and given to people on benefits. For the sake of an argument between, ''my taxes pay your wages to a copper'', I would say my taxes pay your benefits, ergo Wages. that was the premise of it. Your (weird) definition would say children are employed by their parents. You can’t just completely redefine words to suit your argument.
loskie said:
Jamescrs said:
The latest thing seems to be the "auditors" visiting car dealerships, a good mate of mine who works in sales for a main dealer had a visit from one of the auditors, he sent me a link to the video and to be fair he comes across very well trying to sell the auditor an EV.
This one is hilarious. The "auditor" is a prize knob.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVxoelrGmR4&t=...
It’s like a cult.
Guy makes a point though the filmer gets paid for filming folk who don’t want to be filmed. So could they not claim expenses from the filmer ?
mickythefish said:
Taxes are collected and given to people on benefits. For the sake of an argument between, ''my taxes pay your wages to a copper'', I would say my taxes pay your benefits, ergo Wages. that was the premise of it.
I’m not on benefits.Are you certain that you’re a net taxpayer?
fidzer said:
From what I can see, auditors have had to change tact in order to provoke the reactions they were previously getting just by silently filming sensitive buildings, vehicles etc and claiming to be doing this under the guise of PINAC, or photography in public is not a crime, and awaiting the inevitable approach. That objective appears to have been completed a few years ago now.
As the authorities slowly acknowledged this and left them to it, we now have auditors placing themselves in the way of arrests, getting in between police and custodies at times or generally becoming an obstruction, pushing to be arrested.
All the while this is generally accompanied by foul language towards the officers, knowing that a Section 5 against an officer generally isn't a thing if there are no other members of the public present. Or at least that is my understanding of it.
Another favourite appears to be trying to enter what any normal person would assume to be a private area such as a police compound and go vehicle to vehicle filming in the windows etc, waiting for the reaction from anyone who happens to see this, and that claiming because a gate was open or the likes, there was an implied right of access, despite there being clear signs saying otherwise. The next stage is to then to refuse to leave and when threatened with being removed by means of reasonable force, to immediately exclaim they'll defend themselves if that were to happen.
Ironically, job centres is another area they like to try this tactic, claiming it to be a public building and they can do what they like within it as a member of the public. And when the police arrive, suddenly it's about how trespass is a civil crime and there's nothing the cops can do.
There also appears to be an attack on the blue line charity patch some officers choose to purchase and wear to show support towards officers who have died whilst in service, with it being likened to a gang patch and affiliated with the punisher badges some American officers wear, and demanding they remove it there and then because it is not part of uniform policy and it's causing the auditor distress.
It's just another pressure point tactic being used to get they reaction they desire for the views they need to get the revenue from same.
Auditing appears to be a on a continually downward spiral towards more aggression and provocation and there will surely be a breaking point soon.
I would agree with all of that. I don’t like any of it, as it is just hugely antagonistic. But given the characters involved, it was almost inevitable.As the authorities slowly acknowledged this and left them to it, we now have auditors placing themselves in the way of arrests, getting in between police and custodies at times or generally becoming an obstruction, pushing to be arrested.
All the while this is generally accompanied by foul language towards the officers, knowing that a Section 5 against an officer generally isn't a thing if there are no other members of the public present. Or at least that is my understanding of it.
Another favourite appears to be trying to enter what any normal person would assume to be a private area such as a police compound and go vehicle to vehicle filming in the windows etc, waiting for the reaction from anyone who happens to see this, and that claiming because a gate was open or the likes, there was an implied right of access, despite there being clear signs saying otherwise. The next stage is to then to refuse to leave and when threatened with being removed by means of reasonable force, to immediately exclaim they'll defend themselves if that were to happen.
Ironically, job centres is another area they like to try this tactic, claiming it to be a public building and they can do what they like within it as a member of the public. And when the police arrive, suddenly it's about how trespass is a civil crime and there's nothing the cops can do.
There also appears to be an attack on the blue line charity patch some officers choose to purchase and wear to show support towards officers who have died whilst in service, with it being likened to a gang patch and affiliated with the punisher badges some American officers wear, and demanding they remove it there and then because it is not part of uniform policy and it's causing the auditor distress.
It's just another pressure point tactic being used to get they reaction they desire for the views they need to get the revenue from same.
Auditing appears to be a on a continually downward spiral towards more aggression and provocation and there will surely be a breaking point soon.
The worst I have seen is where they enter offices and car showrooms and refuse to leave.
What I would add is that the harassment for simply video recording a sensitive building, police station, or private site still very very much exists, but agree that it is less than it was.
My last thought would be that everyone should watch all the videos on the YouTube channel of Focus Pocus.
His intelligence and knowledge of the law is absolutely razor sharp, as his his wit and retorts. He audits politely and intelligently, leaving police officers looking like they shouldn’t be trusted with a knife and fork, let alone the power of arrest.
Highly entertaining and educational, and well worth watching:
https://youtube.com/@focuspocus3690?si=txsk0Qc6MsM...
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