Discretion. What does it mean?
Discussion
WildCat said:
IF the pretzel in the Panda
I think the term is unwarranted and offensive....you use it regularly and I don't know why...
90% of uniformed officer drive 'panda' cars...including many ex-trafpol....I don't know why you feel it necessary to refer to them as 'pretzels'..
Why don't you go the whole hog and called them 'pigs' or 'filth'?
victormeldrew said:
I am soo looking forward to my nightshift now.
I take it that means that you will be giving motorists a hard time because you got a hard time here? If so thats hardly professional attitude now is it?
C'est la vie...
Professional attitude...? p r o f e s s i o n a l?
I'm sure slider will deal with people as he sees fits...as he does day in day out....ie: if someone has committed an offence...they stand a very real chance of being prosecuted. If the BiB decides not to do that....then so be it....but that can only be classed as a bonus for the motorist.
As for a hard time.....I've yet to find a prosecution code in my book for a driver who obeys the law...
^Slider^ said:
No helicopter?
Fine line to call a job from what i understand. Balance of catching the bad guy and the risk of a collision. Only so much you can do with the resources that you have.
Out of action for 2 nights....
Also, neighbouring county's helicopter engaged on other job...
Ah sounds familiar.
Went to a burglary in progress other nite.
Control "Any unit for immediate BiP"
all units commited apart from me and a special in a plain car.
Me "negative units avaliable, we'll take it in a plane car"
Control "Thanks (Gives SIG) Tried Dog unit but he has no dog, and Helicopter currently without crew"
Me "And me with no blue lights, great, ill see what i can do"
Went to a burglary in progress other nite.
Control "Any unit for immediate BiP"
all units commited apart from me and a special in a plain car.
Me "negative units avaliable, we'll take it in a plane car"
Control "Thanks (Gives SIG) Tried Dog unit but he has no dog, and Helicopter currently without crew"
Me "And me with no blue lights, great, ill see what i can do"
^Slider^ said:
^Slider^ said:
You need to take the fight to the people that set the limits, not those that enforce them.
The speed limits always served us well. Speed limit law has not changed recently (>10 years) but enforcement practice has changed massively.
It's excessive enforcement that's causing the trouble. Face up to it.
Automatic enforcement i'd agree with you Cameras and the like in certain situations.
I also tend to agree with you on camera vans.
What i do disagree about is the numbers of people who seem to want to have their cake and eat it. They want to speed, want to see more traffpol, but when its trafpol sticking them on they are all up in arms about it.
And i dont have anything to face up to and neither would anyone else if they obeyed the speed limits.
OK - almost fair enough.
But - and it's a big but - we have a minority of traffic officers who now wish to behave like speed cameras and it simply isn't good enough.
^Slider^ said:
You need to take the fight to the people that set the limits, not those that enforce them.
The speed limits always served us well. Speed limit law has not changed recently (>10 years) but enforcement practice has changed massively.
It's excessive enforcement that's causing the trouble. Face up to it.
Automatic enforcement i'd agree with you Cameras and the like in certain situations.
I also tend to agree with you on camera vans.
What i do disagree about is the numbers of people who seem to want to have their cake and eat it. They want to speed, want to see more traffpol, but when its trafpol sticking them on they are all up in arms about it.
And i dont have anything to face up to and neither would anyone else if they obeyed the speed limits.
Now there is a major set of road works about to start in my area to eliminate, and I quote, "one of the most dangerous roads in the county by removing crossover junctions on a section of rural dual carriageway"
This section has seen limits reduced from 70 to 60 and to 50. The 50 stretches have been extended. The whole length is subject to rigorous enforcement by the Speed Camera Partnership. (Sorry I cannot bring myself to use the mealy mouthed term Safety Camera)
This is a clear indication to me that the current policy of reduced limits and electronic enforcement is not working. So why will the powers that be not admit it.
To be honest I don't think its about the money in absolute terms. Maybe that they though improved safety could be obtained for free.
Anyway my 2p.
FiF
Streetcop said:
IF the pretzel in the Panda
I think the term is unwarranted and offensive....you use it regularly and I don't know why...
90% of uniformed officer drive 'panda' cars...including many ex-trafpol....I don't know why you feel it necessary to refer to them as 'pretzels'..
Why don't you go the whole hog and called them 'pigs' or 'filth'?
Let it go SC!
No different from CID view of Woodentops!
Knowing 'Coast'and the Lancash££££re 'Cosa nostra' connection makes her qualified to give judgement on the inadequacies of the minions around her
She knows a thing or two about exploding donuts too
Strange that she happens to only meet the 'pretzels' when she happens to have any interaction with them. I wonder why
? on the topic of discretion, how do BiB deal with police informants? you're in a situation where you're getting possibly useful information from a criminal. Do you have to allow them a certain latitude to commit crimes in order to get information to prevent or solve more serious crimes? Do the officers involved have to set a discretionary limit to the informants activities?
This is in no way related to speeding or any trafficing offences, it was just an example of where the book has to be interpreted in relation to the real world.
[homer]mmmmmmmm........ pretzels.......[/homer]
This is in no way related to speeding or any trafficing offences, it was just an example of where the book has to be interpreted in relation to the real world.
[homer]mmmmmmmm........ pretzels.......[/homer]
MilnerR said:
on the topic of discretion, how do BiB deal with police informants? you're in a situation where you're getting possibly useful information from a criminal. Do you have to allow them a certain latitude to commit crimes in order to get information to prevent or solve more serious crimes? Do the officers involved have to set a discretionary limit to the informants activities?
This is in no way related to speeding or any trafficing offences, it was just an example of where the book has to be interpreted in relation to the real world.
[homer]mmmmmmmm........ pretzels.......[/homer]
Informant handling requires disretion but not in the way it is being discussed here. If informants are committing crime themselves and they are caught, they get dealt with in the same way that anyone else would for the same offence.
Informants are generally compensated for their information with cash. The better the information, the more cash they get. I dont suppose an informant will declare the cash on his yearly tax calculation
Quite often an informant arrested for crime will ask to see a specific officer (usually his handler). Whatever happens to the offender in custody is out of the handlers hands. If the offender is charged with his offence, the judge may be informed about the work he has been doing and adjust the sentence accordingly!
Criminal informants get no discretion when they become registered informants. Discretion is used in selecting those who will be of most use!
Streetcop said:
WildCat said:
IF the pretzel in the Panda
I think the term is unwarranted and offensive....you use it regularly and I don't know why...
90% of uniformed officer drive 'panda' cars...including many ex-trafpol....I don't know why you feel it necessary to refer to them as 'pretzels'..
Why don't you go the whole hog and called them 'pigs' or 'filth'?
Liebchen - you should read my whole post instead of fastening on the one word und thinking this applies universally
But 
I call all my cousins (und the lowest ranked of them ist Chief Inspector ...und that includes the foreign ones all kinds of rudest names even if in fullest shiniest uniform So far - they have not locked me up But Strassen
Liebchen - this guy was definitely half baked. He did not use discretion und judgement - he went after a bloke who was speeding by 6 mph above speed limit. He did not stop the man who was observed swerving dangerously before he reached motorway. This bloke could have taken out anyone when he had the illness - it was purest chance that he hit me und not the nice traffic policeman who was parked in hard shoulder mit flashing lights warning of the sudden bottle neck. This policman saved my life - he got the emergency services, applied pressure in right places to the heavy bleeds, kept my body temperature up, und desperately tried to keep me conscious throughout as if this might have caused me to shut down ... und .... ...... ..... ..... But
If this pretzel (und I JUST CANNOT refer to this half-bkaed idiot in nice terms) - had only applied common sense - he would have stopped the dangerous driver who was swerving.... if only he had .. then the dangerous driver may have survived his stroke .. und I would have not have spent 12 months in ICU, my husband would not have been placed in situation where he signed for any salvageable organs to be used in case..., I would have seen my three eldest grow from babies to toddlers und not spent two years in greatest pain und in wheel chair - und would not have almost got addicted to dia-morphine ... und nor would other people have been just as horribly injured und M6 motorway would not have been closed for 18 hours at that point....und industry would not have lost cash due to my incident... IST CALLED USING DISCRETION UND I WOULD RATHER SEE A SPEEDING DRIVER BE LET OFF RATHER THAN YOU IGNORE A TRULY DANGEROUS DRIVER WHO IST "LEGAL" DRIVE AROUND!
Ist not a case of "law ist law"! Ist case of JUDGEMENT und COMMON SENSES" und if you cannot use them - then you are NOT FIT to wear that uniform!
Now - Liebchen - do you understand? Lack of discretion by one cop caused me und mine greatest inconveniences.
Ist easily verified - as accident ist logged....und fullest inquests und so weiter were made.....und there are not many toppest scientists around ...
Und ..
I call people "twazaks"; "pretzels" "muesli munchers" - as they are family terms as well .. learnt from cradle from Papa und all my Onkel... (My great Opi raced in early days of motor racing in 1920s ....und family has history mit racing even though it ist a Swiss family .. ) >> Edited by WildCat on Thursday 3rd March 20:20
edited for typos as was a bit
all emotional as ist not easy to look back into this past - but justified as ist question of "discretion" und the "pretzel" did not use it.... >> Edited by WildCat on Thursday 3rd March 20:31
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