140mph convoy on M74

[BertBert]

Quhet said:

You could see for miles but you didn't see the cameras/police car ahead;)

Have you ever wondered how big a well hidden camera van looks 2 miles away?

[anonymous-user]

The Selfish Gene said:

No it does not.

What, if you're trying to escape an Avalanche?

[Vipers]

Chamon_Lee said:

Todd Bonzalez said:

Haven't the police got better things to do? If the road was quiet and they weren't being daft, honestly who cares. Ridiculous.

totally agree.
Reading some of the news outlet wording you would think they murdered someone.
You get muppets all day on their phone writting story books hardly looking at the road.

So a police car cruising at 70 is passed by 4 cars in what they think was a convoy at about 140 and you think they should just ignore it.

Asuming they were passed as they couldnt catch them, difficult if they didnt pass you first.

Muppets on their phones etc probably do get caught, but they dont make the papers.

[The Selfish Gene]

ThatGuyWhoDoesStuff said:

The Selfish Gene said:

No it does not.

What, if you're trying to escape an Avalanche?

ha or a million other things.

Decreasing speed can often increase risk.

to all those but the brainwashed.

Hey ho - what's the saying?

"Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools"

I'll stick to my lifelong way - it's stood me in very good stead so far.

[jamiem555]

BertBert said:

Quhet said:

You could see for miles but you didn't see the cameras/police car ahead;)

Have you ever wondered how big a well hidden camera van looks 2 miles away?

As previously mentioned, it was an unmarked Volvo using VASCAR. Pre speed cameras. They were sitting up the slip road at Abington.

[The Selfish Gene]

technology really has taken the sport out of life hasn't it.

boring.

[anonymous-user]

The Selfish Gene said:

ha or a million other things.

Decreasing speed can often increase risk.

to all those but the brainwashed.

Hey ho - what's the saying?

"Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools"

I'll stick to my lifelong way - it's stood me in very good stead so far.

Ah - the infamous quote often attributed to Douglas Bader.

I think he said that just before I took the 'guidance' of 'no low level aero's in a bulldog,' before doing low level aero's in a bulldog and losing both his legs.

[The Selfish Gene]

I didn't think it was Bader actually. Maybe it was. I thought it was someone else from a distant memory.

Ha surely we can't be comparing a war heroes risk assessment to anything we are discussing today.

[anonymous-user]

The Selfish Gene said:

I didn't think it was Bader actually. Maybe it was. I thought it was someone else from a distant memory.

Ha surely we can't be comparing a war heroes risk assessment to anything we are discussing today.

Have you forgotten you were the one who posted that quote about 6 minutes ago?

[The Selfish Gene]

ThatGuyWhoDoesStuff said:

The Selfish Gene said:

I didn't think it was Bader actually. Maybe it was. I thought it was someone else from a distant memory.

Ha surely we can't be comparing a war heroes risk assessment to anything we are discussing today.

Have you forgotten you were the one who posted that quote about 6 minutes ago?

ah good point - but I wasn't comparing the man losing his legs to a minor speeding infringement.

I liked the quote as a example of not adhering to silly rules just well, because our lords and masters told me too - and still don't think it was Bader! (I haven't googled)

[Gavia]

Strudul said:

Yeh, and those people that pull out are ignorant idiots and much more dangerous than someone doing 70+.

Am I suggesting people should err on the side of caution? Definitely.

If you're crossing a 30mph road and see a car travelling towards you at a hectic rate of knots, do you cross anyway because they should only be doing 30, or do you wait just in case?

If you see a car at a junction, do you ignore it, or prepare for the possibility it may pull out?

Do you slow down for blind corners, or just expect there won't be an unseen obstacle and carry on at the speed limit?

Do you take overtake opportunities that are safe if the conditions stay perfect, or do you account for a speeding oncoming vehicle round the corner and the vehicle you are about to overtake trying to floor it and prevent the pass?

They may be ignorant idiots, but they exist and as a driver you should make allowances for them and adjust your driving accordingly. To drive on and assume they either won’t do anything stupid, or reassure yourself that you’re in the right won’t necessarily end well.

As for the other scenarios, I’m not the ignorant driver that we’re both describing, so avoid the “you”element of your questions. I probably ride / drive a lot quicker than you do. Certainly this weekend I was well north of 150a number of times on some A roads having a play on a bike, but I also act cautiously around others.

I’m not hanging these drivers for their 140mph blast, but I am saying that if they (or I) get caught then we know the consequences and should be prepared to live with them. We also should be prepared to deal with other ignorant idiots on the road amd accept that many will describe us in exactly the same way.

[Paul Dishman]

FlyingFin said:

TarpaTow said:

Wow, that's some speed.

I'm not surprised to see a BM in the convoy as they're proper high performance machines and are driven by people used to the racing car like handling and RWD.

I've got a Sport Executive BM and the salesman went to great lengths to explain how they've used their experence in F1 technology and engineering to provide the ultimate driver experience and performance. He also told me he was happy to sell me a BM as he knew I was already used to driving BMs so he would be able to tell his Sales Manager that I was used to high performance cars if he was asked what steps he'd taken to ensure I could handle such a high performance car. That's what I call customer service, making sure your customer is up to the skills required of the Brand.

But, even in my BM, and having the benefit of having been behind the wheel of several BMs, I don't think I'd drive at that sort of speed.

Cock!!

On first reading I thought he was being ironic, but now I believe he's entirely serious

[Alucidnation]

Todd Bonzalez said:

Haven't the police got better things to do? If the road was quiet and they weren't being daft, honestly who cares. Ridiculous.

Probably because they were breaking the law?

Plus the fact, the police would have to deal with the sorry mess when it all goes tits up.

Let’s hope they are caught and dealt with.

tts like that shouldn’t be on the fking roads.

[Timmy45]

La Liga said:

Timmy45 said:

La Liga said:

Timmy45 said:

La Liga said:

They don't operate differently, which is perhaps why they relatively have more road deaths.

You might want to have a browse of this thread, quite interesting reading. It's far from definitive that motorway speed limits have any genuine impact in reducing motorway fatalities once you consider other factors at play.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=25...

I was being a bit 'devil's advocate' with my reply. You are quite right, there are a lot of variables which make definitive cause and effect (and comparisons between different countries) hard. Factors like vehicle design have likely had a far greater impact than any speed enforcement. What we do know is that, overall, we have fewer deaths, so our overall road safety strategy appears to be working.

Regardless it is quite an interesting read. As for our road safety figures I'm suspicious that we might be massaging the figures to make it seem so. And attributing reduced mortality entirely to an obsession with speed as opposed to their being few cars on the road now lacking air bag sytems, traction control and a whole host of other safety features.

With seriously injured, there is room for variance i.e. stats 19 data not always being consistent, but not with deaths, which is what I was talking about.

Yes, and I was making the point that the falling deathrate is probably attributable to massively improved car safety than an obsession with rnforing the speed limit.

[Paul Dishman]

R8Steve said:

ThatGuyWhoDoesStuff said:

Because I don't do 140mph on motorways?

Didn't see that requirement when I signed up?

Pistonheads. Speed matters.

Time to purge the mimsers and peelie-wallies and send them all to Mumsnet

Edited by Paul Dishman on Tuesday 7th August 17:30

[The Selfish Gene]

Paul Dishman said:

Time to purge the mimsers and peel-wallies and send them all to Mumsnet

I am certain this place is frequented by various levels of BRAKE , Mumset etc.

In my professional world I know a little bit about fake news, and certain agencies attempting to brainwash or misdirect via the internet.

I definitely see it happening on this forum.

[nonsequitur]

Paul Dishman said:

R8Steve said:

ThatGuyWhoDoesStuff said:

Because I don't do 140mph on motorways?

Didn't see that requirement when I signed up?

Pistonheads. Speed matters.

Time to purge the mimsers and peelie-wallies and send them all to Mumsnet

Edited by Paul Dishman on Tuesday 7th August 17:30

Mumsnet. The go to put down and insult on PH. (change the record please).

[Gavia]

The Selfish Gene said:

I am certain this place is frequented by various levels of BRAKE , Mumset etc.

In my professional world I know a little bit about fake news, and certain agencies attempting to brainwash or misdirect via the internet.

I definitely see it happening on this forum.

Yeah, because pistonheads has such a critical audience to influence

What you mean is “I’m not great at being a decent member of society and am somewhere between a narcissist and sociopath. As such I believe none of my actions could possibly impact on anyone else and therefore believe that anyone who disagrees with me is always completely wrong in everything they believe”.

[The Selfish Gene]

nonsequitur said:

Mumsnet. The go to put down and insult on PH. (change the record please).

ha and it's always the people without garages listed.

I'm surprised people don't go to the trouble to fake the garages

[Strudul]

Gavia said:

They may be ignorant idiots, but they exist and as a driver you should make allowances for them and adjust your driving accordingly. To drive on and assume they either won’t do anything stupid, or reassure yourself that you’re in the right won’t necessarily end well.

As for the other scenarios, I’m not the ignorant driver that we’re both describing, so avoid the “you”element of your questions. I probably ride / drive a lot quicker than you do. Certainly this weekend I was well north of 150a number of times on some A roads having a play on a bike, but I also act cautiously around others.

I’m not hanging these drivers for their 140mph blast, but I am saying that if they (or I) get caught then we know the consequences and should be prepared to live with them. We also should be prepared to deal with other ignorant idiots on the road amd accept that many will describe us in exactly the same way.

They exist, they are the root cause, and should be addressed rather than targeting speeders. Speeding may result in more serious accidents, but without the poor driving / awareness, most of those accidents wouldn't happen in the first place.

The case of speeding is the same as in the other examples I raised - adjust and plan accordingly. Just as you / I may be cautious around others, they should respond in kind. The difference being that someone pulling out in front of you is taking deliberate action that directly causes an unfavourable outcome. Doesn't matter if you pass at 71 or 300, if they pull out at the point of no return, they cause an accident.

I use "you" in the generic sense.