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Sept 2020 has been the least deadly month for Sweden ever!
No lockdowns, no school closures, no business closures, no masks!
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/10/24/how-dead...
No lockdowns, no school closures, no business closures, no masks!
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/10/24/how-dead...
grudas said:
Interesting how hospitalisations have been increasing at crazy rate.. and ventilator bed usage is going crazy too.
Guess it's a bad flu year
What does a ‘crazy rate’ mean and which hospitals are referring to? Guess it's a bad flu year
Lots of crazy there, a bit like your posting on here
Edited by Phil. on Sunday 25th October 22:57
NGee said:
otolith said:
The lie that lockdown caused GPs to go to remote consultations, when in fact lockdown was an irresponsible reaction to the problem which then made remote consultations necessary.
FTFYJasandjules said:
Well, it is winter. Are you saying the rates exceed normal winter ICU capacity?
this is the first winter with COVID in full swing.so we'll see! I do hope flu bros are right and we get away it and goverment relaxes everything and we can go back to normal pub drinking hours.
but for now all I can track is this:
https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/details/he...
and looking at numbers it is not going great.. would be interesting to see combined flu and covid
Phil. said:
Fill your boots but remember to wait until Xmas eve before gloating 
I think that the average 7 day death figure has risen this week from around 100 to 160 ish. Still relatively low and not increasing at the pandemic rate in March. Looking good for a downturn by the end of the year
178 actually.I think that the average 7 day death figure has risen this week from around 100 to 160 ish. Still relatively low and not increasing at the pandemic rate in March. Looking good for a downturn by the end of the year
So, here the numbers, again. As agreed, using https://www.worldometers.info/
From your "prediction" dates to yesterday's data (including the last check-in's data)
New Cases: (7 day moving average)
23 Sept: 4686
15 October: 15973 (240.866% increase)
25 October: 21627 (361.524% increase)
Deaths: (7 day moving average)
23 Sept: 25
15 October: 101 (304% increase)
25 October: 178 (612% increase)
Yikes, nearly doubled in 10 days!
As you seen to like to include graphs trying to hide the corona numbers, here are some graphs that show them.
How does the number of cases detected tally with the amount of tests going on? If you're testing more people you'll find more cases, it doesn't necessarily mean things are getting worse but just that you are finding more. Infections could be going down even, but if you're testing vastly more people then the number detected will just keep going up.
Is there any info on how those 2 things correspond?
Is there any info on how those 2 things correspond?
Here’s an alternative view of the current situation..... Be careful it’s really scary out their at the moment (not)!
https://twitter.com/alistairhaimes/status/13203136...
https://twitter.com/alistairhaimes/status/13203136...
otolith said:
You may well feel that. Doesn't justify confounding cause and effect and blaming lockdown for the things it was intended to stop.
The lockdown is the cause of the situation we are now in. The effect of this is that millions of people have suffered mental, financial or medical disaster. Phil. said:
Here’s an alternative view of the current situation..... Be careful it’s really scary out their at the moment (not)!
https://twitter.com/alistairhaimes/status/13203136...
it would be nice if it was as simple as dying or not.https://twitter.com/alistairhaimes/status/13203136...
the organ damage, the "long covid" that they're learning about etc are all very scary/life changing parts of covid.
sadly I think deaths will soon catch up but I don't know what you'll say then? compare numbers to spanish flu and say "it not as bad as that was so.."
Thank you Killboy you've just proved my point that we are not in a pandemic anymore and what we are seeing now is the much lower and expected seasonal affect of a flu virus. Certainly nothing worthy of lockdowns and other restrictions.
I've added a couple of lines to your graph to highlight what a pandemic looks like in terms of rate of increasing deaths, and to show when its not a pandemic because the increase in deaths is much lower, seasonal in fact. The pandemic has gone, we're in a political casedemic now.
I've added a couple of lines to your graph to highlight what a pandemic looks like in terms of rate of increasing deaths, and to show when its not a pandemic because the increase in deaths is much lower, seasonal in fact. The pandemic has gone, we're in a political casedemic now.
NGee said:
The lockdown is the cause of the situation we are now in. The effect of this is that millions of people have suffered mental, financial or medical disaster.
The lockdown was certainly a significant cause of economic damage, as were the milder social distancing measures that followed, and both directly and indirectly through economic damage there have been impacts on health. Whether they have been worse than the direct and indirect impacts of unmitigated Covid transmission on physical and mental health is the nub of disagreement, as is to what extent the consequences of Covid should have been shared by the community or restricted to individuals. I do get the impression that people who believe that lockdown has made matters worse also tend to believe that it is an individual rather than a community problem and vice versa, so I think people are letting their politics colour their facts.
grudas said:
it would be nice if it was as simple as dying or not.
the organ damage, the "long covid" that they're learning about etc are all very scary/life changing parts of covid.
sadly I think deaths will soon catch up but I don't know what you'll say then? compare numbers to spanish flu and say "it not as bad as that was so.."
I'm afraid you are so full of self limiting beliefs about COVID and refusing to open your eyes and ears to the reality that we really aren't ever going to be able to have in informed debate. But I'll set you a challenge, listen to the following podcast over the next few days and then tell me you haven't changed your views in some way. Happy to debate whatever you think of it.the organ damage, the "long covid" that they're learning about etc are all very scary/life changing parts of covid.
sadly I think deaths will soon catch up but I don't know what you'll say then? compare numbers to spanish flu and say "it not as bad as that was so.."
https://delingpole.podbean.com/e/dr-mike-yeadon/
Phil. said:
Thank you Killboy you've just proved my point that we are not in a pandemic anymore and what we are seeing now is the much lower and expected seasonal affect of a flu virus. Certainly nothing worthy of lockdowns and other restrictions.
I've added a couple of lines to your graph to highlight what a pandemic looks like in terms of rate of increasing deaths, and to show when its not a pandemic because the increase in deaths is much lower, seasonal in fact. The pandemic has gone, we're in a political casedemic now.
We have another 60 days to go. If the rates continue to climb, we can throw out all the BS you've spouted. I've added a couple of lines to your graph to highlight what a pandemic looks like in terms of rate of increasing deaths, and to show when its not a pandemic because the increase in deaths is much lower, seasonal in fact. The pandemic has gone, we're in a political casedemic now.
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