Discretion. What does it mean?
Discussion
gone said:
WildCat said:
IF the pretzel in the Panda
I think the term is unwarranted and offensive....you use it regularly and I don't know why...
90% of uniformed officer drive 'panda' cars...including many ex-trafpol....I don't know why you feel it necessary to refer to them as 'pretzels'..
Why don't you go the whole hog and called them 'pigs' or 'filth'?
Let it go SC!
No different from CID view of Woodentops!
Knowing 'Coast'and the Lancash££££re 'Cosa nostra' connection makes her qualified to give judgement on the inadequacies of the minions around her
She knows a thing or two about exploding donuts too
Strange that she happens to only meet the 'pretzels' when she happens to have any interaction with them. I wonder why
Perhaps they are waiting for me ... ist funny but pretzels are the things which stick in your throat und you remember them ....
und I do not like pretzels as snack anyway ,... chocolate filled doughnuts are much more
but not when they explode 
as ist a bit messy.....Streetcop said:
The thing with the speeding laws is that they aren't going to change... 
Aren't they ? if the Tories get in next time, the 70 limit becomes 80 limit.
Streetcop said:
In the end...unless you're in the middle of the night..and travelling 100s of miles.....exceeding the speed limit has little effect on your travelling time..
Nonsense.
100 miles at average 60 mph on UK roads with a maximum of 70 mph takes 1.67 hours. Same distance at average 100 mph on the German autobahn takes 60 minutes - i.e. 40 minutes of my life saved.
40 minutes out of 1.67 hours is a reduction of 38% - a lot in other words.
If I'm a 100 quid an hour lawyer [ I'm not] that's a straight cash saving of nearly 67 quid - enough for a few drinks and a slightly changed fuel consumption.
Factor in a 15 minute toilet break every two hours and the numbers get even better.
Streetcop said:
Tell that the the families who's loved ones have been killed by those committing 'motoring offences'
Using emotive language like this will really get you nowhere.
I just saw on the TV news that 6,000 deaths a year in the UK are directly attributable to alcohol abuse.
We know that 3,500 deaths a year are car related.
I don't see coppers issuing 60 quid tickets for having a couple of drinks too many, and I don't see nearly twice as much police time going into alcohol abuse than goes into traffic offences.
Streetcop said:
If at least 10 people were murdered by thieves every day; there'd be an outcry from the public. A shame that road deaths seem to mean so little.
As I've indicated above, road deaths are far from the biggest killer in the UK.
dcb said:
I don't see coppers issuing 60 quid tickets for having a couple of drinks too many, and I don't see nearly twice as much police time going into alcohol abuse than goes into traffic offences.
Its actually an £80 ticket and you obviously don't watch too much telly about the Police either or you would see what resources are put into dealing with this kind of a problem. A whole lot more than are currently employed in speed enforcement
dcb said:
As I've indicated above, road deaths are far from the biggest killer in the UK.
Thats OK then
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Streetcop said:
It's a bit of a simple idea this one....but hear me out...
What about...........obeying the speed LIMIT on the road which you are travelling on...perhaps..if the conditions warrant it...even travelling less than the speed limit...
Why do people find that so difficult?
Maybe they have the same sort of difficulty as the chap who used to ride a 164 bhp/178 mph Blackbird, or whatever?
Best wishes all,
Dave.
WildCat said:
...see lots of bad driving - further south I drive.
Aye well you will do, that's a well established fact.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
PS. In celebration of Eileen's birthday we've just had a nice little break at the Borrowdale Gates Country House Hotel just down the road from you. Highly recommended.
Streetcop said:
so in the real world the job of Trafpol is to single out the worst offenders and ticket them.
Roy,
Although I can agree with you in principle, there really aren't enought trafpol to be selective nowadays, i'm afraid..
It doesn't matter how many Trafpol there are around. What does matter (IMHO) is that the ones that are around should be concentrating on promoting road safety, and not getting too hung up on this wretched speed factor, but your duty to enforce the law does not allow sufficiently flexibility for that, unfortunately.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
kevinday said:
In MOST cases motoring offences are victimless, as in around 11 billion speeding offences per year, a few cause death or injury. These should be examined and if dangerous or careless driving is the cause then this is the offence that should be prosecuted.
Lets look at the 10 per day, how many were pedestrians at fault? how many were 'only' as a result of speeding? I am willing to bet the pedestrian accidents are higher numbers than the speeding drivers.
You are still looking at the motorist as 'being at fault' and 'easy to target'.
Speeding per se should not be a criminal offence at all, UNLESS, someone is put at risk by the speeding vehicle. This means the speeding vehicle is committing another offence of some kind such as tailgating, driving aggressively etc.
It is not the speed that kills it is the bad driving!
Prosecuting people for speeding is easy, and of course highly remunerative, perhaps that's why it gets done with such enthusiasm. Never mind the fact that it is not making any meaningful impression on our road safety performance.
What a tragic misuse of power.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
WildCat said:
I call all my cousins (und the lowest ranked of them ist Chief Inspector ...und that includes the foreign ones
Do we really give a monkey's if your relations are Chief Inspector rank or not...
You're getting a bit of a 'two shites'...as in..: if someone goes for a shite...you'll go for two shites..!
To get to the rank of Chief Inspector nowadays involves kissing ass....talking the talk..and hugging anything politically correct...talking tough with racism, sexism, human rights, etc etc.........as for actual coppering..
So, I for one...aren't in the least bit impressed by your desk jockeying relations..
dcb said:
and I don't see nearly twice as much police time going into alcohol abuse than goes into traffic offences.
You are so far away from the truth with that statement.....
How many times does it need to be said;
There are practically bugger all trafpol left....and the ones that are left can only deal with traffic offences when they aren't dealing with fatal/serious collision investigations....
Cameras sort out 95% of speed enforcement..
As for alcohol abuse....my force puts all the BiB in the town centres on Fri and Sat evening.....as the amount of drink fuelled violence and disorder is unbelievable....
If you want ratios; there is something like this;
For ever 1 hour on traffic offences; there are 100 hours on alcohol abuse policing; be it town centre patrols, dealing with fights, arresting violent drunks, interviewing victims, crime reports to fill in etc. etc.....
You lot really have no idea about police time...you really don't...
Yes there are fooking loads of cameras...every bleeding where.....
But it's not at the expense of policing elsewhere..
TripleS said:
It's a bit of a simple idea this one....but hear me out...
What about.......
Why do people find that so difficult?
Maybe they have the same sort of difficulty as the chap who used to ride a 164 bhp/178 mph Blackbird, or whatever?
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Absolutely...
and look what happened to that.....
Streetcop said:
Streetcop said:
It's a bit of a simple idea this one....but hear me out...
What about.......
Why do people find that so difficult?
Maybe they have the same sort of difficulty as the chap who used to ride a 164 bhp/178 mph Blackbird, or whatever?
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Absolutely...
and look what happened to that...
What happened to that (according to my information) was that the owner eventually decided to sell the machine, following a period in which he had covered a considerable mileage at speeds well in excess of the NSL. That usage had resulted in no damage to man or machine or any other road user, because it was, I have no doubt, done in a properly skilled manner.
That seems to me a perfectly satisfactory situation, even if not strictly in accordance with what the law requires.
Stay safe folks,
Dave.
TripleS said:
What happened to that (according to my information) was that the owner eventually decided to sell the machine, following a period in which he had covered a considerable mileage at speeds well in excess of the NSL. That usage had resulted in no damage to man or machine or any other road user, because it was, I have no doubt, done in a properly skilled manner.
That seems to me a perfectly satisfactory situation, even if not strictly in accordance with what the law requires.
Stay safe folks,
Dave.
Close...but not quite accurate....
I travelled to Europe regularly on the machine and enjoyed it's capabilities.....(on borrowed time, I always felt)...
So I decided to get rid of it...as the temptation to break the speed limit back in the UK would have been so great....
and you never know when some 'last of the summer wine' fan talking on his mobile phone, whilst driving....might pull across my path..
TripleS said:
Hiya Gareth - I'm given to understand that the technique known as 'defensive driving' has some merit in these circumstances, though you should know better than I do about such matters.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Defensive driving isn't 100% the be all and end all.....
Unless you have the entire road shut off and for your personal use.
Streetcop said:
Hiya Gareth - I'm given to understand that the technique known as 'defensive driving' has some merit in these circumstances, though you should know better than I do about such matters.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Defensive driving isn't 100% the be all and end all...
No I never claimed it was the answer to all our problems. I merely said, somewhat facetiously, that it had some merit.
Streetcop said:
Unless you have the entire road shut off and for your personal use.
In that case I would suggest the need for defensive driving is greatly reduced.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Streetcop said:
I call all my cousins (und the lowest ranked of them ist Chief Inspector ...und that includes the foreign ones
Do we really give a monkey's if your relations are Chief Inspector rank or not...
You're getting a bit of a 'two shites'...as in..: if someone goes for a shite...you'll go for two shites..!
To get to the rank of Chief Inspector nowadays involves kissing ass....talking the talk..and hugging anything politically correct...talking tough with racism, sexism, human rights, etc etc.........as for actual coppering..
So, I for one...aren't in the least bit impressed by your desk jockeying relations..
Politically correct?
Und desk bods? They are the least pee cee PCs - und kick ass fair und square - usually the ones belonging to the bottom lickers ..... One ist very outspoken on Paulie's site Und they are "roll up sleeves und get hands dirty types!" Und they have all used fair discretion (except for about 6 months after the family "traumas" when they pulled anything which moved on wheels - und got reputation as "miserable ol' farties"
- which they 
blame me for ) I still call them that name - und my youngest children wrench off their police head wear...
und so on WildCat said:
Politically correct?
You DON'T get promoted unless you are politically correct..
...FACT and there are NO chief inspectors that are 'operationally' on the streets in ANY of the 43 forces......
(Not counting the publicity seeking walk rounds for the newspapers once every 7 years)
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