Twitter cyclists v Twitter driver video - who's right?

[echazfraz]

Cat said:

echazfraz said:

Due care and attention isn't an offence that a cyclist can be guilty of (unless they're driving their car at the time), so good luck with making cyclists accountable for that.

You might want to have read of this

RTA 1988 s.29 said:

Careless, and inconsiderate, cycling.

If a person rides a cycle on a road without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road, he is guilty of an offence.

Cat

Well every day's a school day - so no one is arrested and charged with "driving without due care and attention" like on the Bill, they're charged with "careless, and inconsiderate driving" as that's the offence committed by driving without due care and attention? Thanks for the clarification Cat.

Powerstroker - I owe you an apology. A cyclist can cycle without due care and attention and be charged for doing so.

You are still a roaster for your other views on cyclists mind, just potentially a wee bit less of one overall.

[eldrich]

30% cyclist and 70% driver,

Cyclist was a bell-end for swerving like that, however the driver was trying to overtake in a stupid position, would have done better to slow down, wait until clear of the traffic island and then go around the cyclist with a safe margin between them.

[Foss62]

eldrich said:

30% cyclist and 70% driver,

Cyclist was a bell-end for swerving like that, however the driver was trying to overtake in a stupid position, would have done better to slow down, wait until clear of the traffic island and then go around the cyclist with a safe margin between them.

Maybe a bell-end but I think more of an exaggerated reaction to a shock and a quick recovery. In 40 something years of having a driving licence I’ve had three minor collisions in cars (two my fault), but many more incidents on bikes and motorcycles in that time - two wheels are harder to control than four and if you are in four you need to bear that in mind.
From that perspective I agree with your assessment of the driver.

[anonymous-user]

I find it fascinating how so many opinions can differ regarding one subject. I don't really care who is at fault. I'm also not fussed on road rage in any shape. It also surprises me how many comments there are insinuating aggression is a common thing. Quite simply cycle places there are no cars and its not a problem. Drive places there are no cycles and its not a problem. Humanity is now resolved

[NGee]

RJWR said:

I find it fascinating how so many opinions can differ regarding one subject. I don't really care who is at fault. I'm also not fussed on road rage in any shape. It also surprises me how many comments there are insinuating aggression is a common thing. Quite simply cycle places there are no cars and its not a problem. Drive places there are no cycles and its not a problem. Humanity is now resolved

Can't really argue with that - meanwhile, back in the real world.

[PH User]

Unfortunately it's not really possible to physically separate bikes and cars in many places. So we end up with 2 people like in the video who both need to pay a bit more attention to where they are going.

[ambuletz]

Drives fault - terrible hazard perception/anticipation


Driver was too close to the cyclist, especially when the width of the road was restricted by the crossing in the middle. driver was probably going to overtake too close to cyclist. driver should've been aware of the potential for the cyclist to do anything. especially as 1-another cyclist fell off. 2-the cyclist stopped pedalling before looking over his shoulder.

It's quite common for a cyclist to swerve a little to the right when they're doing a lifesaver glance. I know it happens to me sometimes when i do it.

All these people saying 'cyclist swerved, its his fault'. A driver should be aware that a cyclist (or motorbike) may swerve in the road for multiple reasons. Wind, debris/potholes in roads. Driver should be prepared to give a wide birth, driver did not. You can't assume everyone is going to ride dead straight, 10cm away from the curb.

[PH User]

ambuletz said:

Drives fault - terrible hazard perception/anticipation


Driver was too close to the cyclist, especially when the width of the road was restricted by the crossing in the middle. driver was probably going to overtake too close to cyclist. driver should've been aware of the potential for the cyclist to do anything. especially as 1-another cyclist fell off. 2-the cyclist stopped pedalling before looking over his shoulder.

It's quite common for a cyclist to swerve a little to the right when they're doing a lifesaver glance. I know it happens to me sometimes when i do it.

All these people saying 'cyclist swerved, its his fault'. A driver should be aware that a cyclist (or motorbike) may swerve in the road for multiple reasons. Wind, debris/potholes in roads. Driver should be prepared to give a wide birth, driver did not. You can't assume everyone is going to ride dead straight, 10cm away from the curb.

He wasn't doing a lifesaver glance. He got distracted by the other cyclist, then suddenly realised that a car (who was also at fault) was right behind him.

[Trif]

PH User said:

He wasn't doing a lifesaver glance. He got distracted by the other cyclist, then suddenly realised that a car (who was also at fault) was right behind him.

It's the same thing. It is very easy to put too much weight on the bars when looking over your shoulder and cause a swerve. This thread really highlights how out of touch many motorists are to cycling when it really is accessible to all as a sport, recreation or transport.

Edited by Trif on Sunday 14th March 15:32

[PH User]

Trif said:

PH User said:

He wasn't doing a lifesaver glance. He got distracted by the other cyclist, then suddenly realised that a car (who was also at fault) was right behind him.

It's the same thing. It is very easy to put too much weight on the bars when looking over your shoulder and cause a swerve. This thread really highlights how out of touch many motorists are to cycling when it really is accessible to all as a sport, recreation or transport.

Edited by Trif on Sunday 14th March 15:32

Agreed, they cyclist could and should have riden in a better and safer way. Getting distracted and wobbling around isnt good when you have people overtaking you when there isnt enough space.