The Nazis want some extra tax from me

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I only work at this place now and then (2-3 days a week), and I refuse to pay to park in a city where I've paid council tax before, on roads that are funded from income tax I've paid before and funded by fuel duty, vehicle excise duty, vat, and so on.
For all that money I damn well expect the council to provide an adequate bus service (which they have not) or free parking (which they do not).

[rypt]

My balls are fine thanks, and I made no mistake in parking as there is no LEGAL enforcement or signage for the "no parking"

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F i F said:

rypt said:

I only work at this place now and then (2-3 days a week), and I refuse to pay to park in a city where I've paid council tax before, on roads that are funded from income tax I've paid before and funded by fuel duty, vehicle excise duty, vat, and so on.
For all that money I damn well expect the council to provide an adequate bus service (which they have not) or free parking (which they do not).

How bizarre!

Other countries seem to provide lots of cheap/free parking (*cough* USA *cough*) outside of major cities (Oxford is not London ffs)

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Jayho said:

rypt said:

I only work at this place now and then (2-3 days a week), and I refuse to pay to park in a city where I've paid council tax before, on roads that are funded from income tax I've paid before and funded by fuel duty, vehicle excise duty, vat, and so on.
For all that money I damn well expect the council to provide an adequate bus service (which they have not) or free parking (which they do not).

When they offer free parking and more or less everyone drives in you'll start a thread "The Nazis have designed a stupid carpark as i can get a space as everyone else is earlier than me!"

There is plenty of land (despite being the city centre or near to it) to build a decent multi storey car park.
Instead there is only a small 2 storey car park for a shopping centre, and then 3-4 large normal car parks.
If all this was turned to multi storey plus basement levels there would be LOTS of parking available for everyone

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Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

My balls are fine thanks, and I made no mistake in parking as there is no LEGAL enforcement or signage for the "no parking"

Well that's a relief!

You mentioned you parked ona private road. There may well be now legal enforcement or signs (not signage, that's Nuspeek not English) in place but equally you have no legal right to park where you deem fit.

Whether the road is owned by the housing developers (who run the apartments) or not is neither here nor there. It is open to the public (no gates), has no legal signage that says "you will be clamped", and my parking there was not obstructing anyone.

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Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

My balls are fine thanks, and I made no mistake in parking as there is no LEGAL enforcement or signage for the "no parking"

Well that's a relief!

You mentioned you parked ona private road. There may well be now legal enforcement or signs (not signage, that's Nuspeek not English) in place but equally you have no legal right to park where you deem fit.

Whether the road is owned by the housing developers (who run the apartments) or not is neither here nor there. It is open to the public (no gates), has no legal signage that says "you will be clamped", and my parking there was not obstructing anyone.

Private area... what would you do if they simply towed the car away since clamping isnt allowed?

They can't tow the car away... that is the point, it is a road freely open to the public.

[rypt]

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

My balls are fine thanks, and I made no mistake in parking as there is no LEGAL enforcement or signage for the "no parking"

Well that's a relief!

You mentioned you parked ona private road. There may well be now legal enforcement or signs (not signage, that's Nuspeek not English) in place but equally you have no legal right to park where you deem fit.

Whether the road is owned by the housing developers (who run the apartments) or not is neither here nor there. It is open to the public (no gates), has no legal signage that says "you will be clamped", and my parking there was not obstructing anyone.

Private area... what would you do if they simply towed the car away since clamping isnt allowed?

They can't tow the car away... that is the point, it is a road freely open to the public.

Road, not car park

Parking on a road is perfectly legal unless there is a valid no parking zone thing marked out

Edited by rypt on Thursday 27th May 13:16

[rypt]

will_ said:

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

My balls are fine thanks, and I made no mistake in parking as there is no LEGAL enforcement or signage for the "no parking"

Well that's a relief!

You mentioned you parked ona private road. There may well be now legal enforcement or signs (not signage, that's Nuspeek not English) in place but equally you have no legal right to park where you deem fit.

Whether the road is owned by the housing developers (who run the apartments) or not is neither here nor there. It is open to the public (no gates), has no legal signage that says "you will be clamped", and my parking there was not obstructing anyone.

Private area... what would you do if they simply towed the car away since clamping isnt allowed?

They can't tow the car away... that is the point, it is a road freely open to the public.

Road, not car park

Parking on a road is perfectly legal unless there is a valid no parking zone thing parked out

What? Like, say, signs saying it's a private road?

Doesn't matter if it says PRIVATE road

a legal document said:

“Urban road” is defined in Section 15(12) to include, broadly, those roads subject to a speed
limit of up to 40 mph. “Road” is not defined in the 1974 Act: but is defined in Section 142 of
the 1984 Act (i.e. The Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984) as:
“.... any length of highway or of any other road to which the public has access ...”


...


Put simply, at Common Law, a “highway” is a way over which all members of the public have
the right to pass and re-pass without hindrance

This is a quote from a 10 year old parking ticket case in London.

You have the right to park on an "Urban Road", provided no legal signage saying you cannot do so is not in place.
In order for something to be classed in the eyes of the law as a private it has to have a gate.

Edited by rypt on Thursday 27th May 13:31

[rypt]

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

will_ said:

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

My balls are fine thanks, and I made no mistake in parking as there is no LEGAL enforcement or signage for the "no parking"

Well that's a relief!

You mentioned you parked ona private road. There may well be now legal enforcement or signs (not signage, that's Nuspeek not English) in place but equally you have no legal right to park where you deem fit.

Whether the road is owned by the housing developers (who run the apartments) or not is neither here nor there. It is open to the public (no gates), has no legal signage that says "you will be clamped", and my parking there was not obstructing anyone.

Private area... what would you do if they simply towed the car away since clamping isnt allowed?

They can't tow the car away... that is the point, it is a road freely open to the public.

Road, not car park

Parking on a road is perfectly legal unless there is a valid no parking zone thing parked out

What? Like, say, signs saying it's a private road?

Doesn't matter if it says PRIVATE road

a legal document said:

“Urban road” is defined in Section 15(12) to include, broadly, those roads subject to a speed
limit of up to 40 mph. “Road” is not defined in the 1974 Act: but is defined in Section 142 of
the 1984 Act (i.e. The Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984) as:
“.... any length of highway or of any other road to which the public has access ...”


...


Put simply, at Common Law, a “highway” is a way over which all members of the public have
the right to pass and re-pass without hindrance

This is a quote from a 10 year old parking ticket case in London.

You have the right to park on an "Urban Road", provided no legal signage saying you cannot do so is not in place.
In order for something to be classed in the eyes of the law as a private it has to have a gate.

Edited by rypt on Thursday 27th May 13:31

Is it a through road or a cul-de-sac

It is a cul-de-sac, which still doesn't matter in the eyes of the law as the public has unrestricted driving access to it.
It would, perhaps, be another matter were I to park in one of the parking spaces designed for residents, but parking on the actual road is perfectly legal.

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Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

will_ said:

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

My balls are fine thanks, and I made no mistake in parking as there is no LEGAL enforcement or signage for the "no parking"

Well that's a relief!

You mentioned you parked ona private road. There may well be now legal enforcement or signs (not signage, that's Nuspeek not English) in place but equally you have no legal right to park where you deem fit.

Whether the road is owned by the housing developers (who run the apartments) or not is neither here nor there. It is open to the public (no gates), has no legal signage that says "you will be clamped", and my parking there was not obstructing anyone.

Private area... what would you do if they simply towed the car away since clamping isnt allowed?

They can't tow the car away... that is the point, it is a road freely open to the public.

Road, not car park

Parking on a road is perfectly legal unless there is a valid no parking zone thing parked out

What? Like, say, signs saying it's a private road?

Doesn't matter if it says PRIVATE road

a legal document said:

“Urban road” is defined in Section 15(12) to include, broadly, those roads subject to a speed
limit of up to 40 mph. “Road” is not defined in the 1974 Act: but is defined in Section 142 of
the 1984 Act (i.e. The Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984) as:
“.... any length of highway or of any other road to which the public has access ...”


...


Put simply, at Common Law, a “highway” is a way over which all members of the public have
the right to pass and re-pass without hindrance

This is a quote from a 10 year old parking ticket case in London.

You have the right to park on an "Urban Road", provided no legal signage saying you cannot do so is not in place.
In order for something to be classed in the eyes of the law as a private it has to have a gate.

Edited by rypt on Thursday 27th May 13:31

Is it a through road or a cul-de-sac

It is a cul-de-sac, which still doesn't matter in the eyes of the law as the public has unrestricted driving access to it.
It would, perhaps, be another matter were I to park in one of the parking spaces designed for residents, but parking on the actual road is perfectly legal.

So if you park on a private road, then you should pay maintance for the road for wear and tear then?

If they do not want members of the public to use that road, to the full extent of the road, then they should gate it

[rypt]

I have mentioned this before, but to go via public transport I'm looking at far longer travel time than to do by car and park.

By but it is 40 min bus ride, 15 min walk, waiting for bus before all that, and then also getting to bus stop.
By car it is 20 mins (even in morning traffic as I know the short cuts) and 5 min walk

[rypt]

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

will_ said:

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

My balls are fine thanks, and I made no mistake in parking as there is no LEGAL enforcement or signage for the "no parking"

Well that's a relief!

You mentioned you parked ona private road. There may well be now legal enforcement or signs (not signage, that's Nuspeek not English) in place but equally you have no legal right to park where you deem fit.

Whether the road is owned by the housing developers (who run the apartments) or not is neither here nor there. It is open to the public (no gates), has no legal signage that says "you will be clamped", and my parking there was not obstructing anyone.

Private area... what would you do if they simply towed the car away since clamping isnt allowed?

They can't tow the car away... that is the point, it is a road freely open to the public.

Road, not car park

Parking on a road is perfectly legal unless there is a valid no parking zone thing parked out

What? Like, say, signs saying it's a private road?

Doesn't matter if it says PRIVATE road

a legal document said:

“Urban road” is defined in Section 15(12) to include, broadly, those roads subject to a speed
limit of up to 40 mph. “Road” is not defined in the 1974 Act: but is defined in Section 142 of
the 1984 Act (i.e. The Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984) as:
“.... any length of highway or of any other road to which the public has access ...”


...


Put simply, at Common Law, a “highway” is a way over which all members of the public have
the right to pass and re-pass without hindrance

This is a quote from a 10 year old parking ticket case in London.

You have the right to park on an "Urban Road", provided no legal signage saying you cannot do so is not in place.
In order for something to be classed in the eyes of the law as a private it has to have a gate.

Edited by rypt on Thursday 27th May 13:31

Is it a through road or a cul-de-sac

It is a cul-de-sac, which still doesn't matter in the eyes of the law as the public has unrestricted driving access to it.
It would, perhaps, be another matter were I to park in one of the parking spaces designed for residents, but parking on the actual road is perfectly legal.

So if you park on a private road, then you should pay maintance for the road for wear and tear then?

If they do not want members of the public to use that road, to the full extent of the road, then they should gate it

Or simply record your number plate and take photos and send you a bill for wear and tear and if you dont pay it take you to small claims for using a private road and causing damage...

Works both ways.

Sigh ... you cannot be billed for use of a private road ...

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Jayho said:

rypt said:

I have mentioned this before, but to go via public transport I'm looking at far longer travel time than to do by car and park.

By but it is 40 min bus ride, 15 min walk, waiting for bus before all that, and then also getting to bus stop.
By car it is 20 mins (even in morning traffic as I know the short cuts) and 5 min walk

WOW! When has owning and running a car become a necessity rather than a luxury? AGAIN! If you cannot afford to or are unwilling to pay for one of the paid for parking then why are you running a car??? Whatever did people do before cars became so affordable most households have one? I have absolutely no idea!!!

Would you rather I didn't work?

[rypt]

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

will_ said:

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

My balls are fine thanks, and I made no mistake in parking as there is no LEGAL enforcement or signage for the "no parking"

Well that's a relief!

You mentioned you parked ona private road. There may well be now legal enforcement or signs (not signage, that's Nuspeek not English) in place but equally you have no legal right to park where you deem fit.

Whether the road is owned by the housing developers (who run the apartments) or not is neither here nor there. It is open to the public (no gates), has no legal signage that says "you will be clamped", and my parking there was not obstructing anyone.

Private area... what would you do if they simply towed the car away since clamping isnt allowed?

They can't tow the car away... that is the point, it is a road freely open to the public.

Road, not car park

Parking on a road is perfectly legal unless there is a valid no parking zone thing parked out

What? Like, say, signs saying it's a private road?

Doesn't matter if it says PRIVATE road

a legal document said:

“Urban road” is defined in Section 15(12) to include, broadly, those roads subject to a speed
limit of up to 40 mph. “Road” is not defined in the 1974 Act: but is defined in Section 142 of
the 1984 Act (i.e. The Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984) as:
“.... any length of highway or of any other road to which the public has access ...”


...


Put simply, at Common Law, a “highway” is a way over which all members of the public have
the right to pass and re-pass without hindrance

This is a quote from a 10 year old parking ticket case in London.

You have the right to park on an "Urban Road", provided no legal signage saying you cannot do so is not in place.
In order for something to be classed in the eyes of the law as a private it has to have a gate.

Edited by rypt on Thursday 27th May 13:31

Is it a through road or a cul-de-sac

It is a cul-de-sac, which still doesn't matter in the eyes of the law as the public has unrestricted driving access to it.
It would, perhaps, be another matter were I to park in one of the parking spaces designed for residents, but parking on the actual road is perfectly legal.

So if you park on a private road, then you should pay maintance for the road for wear and tear then?

If they do not want members of the public to use that road, to the full extent of the road, then they should gate it

Or simply record your number plate and take photos and send you a bill for wear and tear and if you dont pay it take you to small claims for using a private road and causing damage...

Works both ways.

Sigh ... you cannot be billed for use of a private road ...

And why not, if it si private the residents have to pay for the wear and tear aka the up keep

If they wish for no-one else to use the road then it needs to have a gate installed, that is the way the law works.

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Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

will_ said:

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

Dupont666 said:

rypt said:

Chester Drawers said:

rypt said:

My balls are fine thanks, and I made no mistake in parking as there is no LEGAL enforcement or signage for the "no parking"

Well that's a relief!

You mentioned you parked ona private road. There may well be now legal enforcement or signs (not signage, that's Nuspeek not English) in place but equally you have no legal right to park where you deem fit.

Whether the road is owned by the housing developers (who run the apartments) or not is neither here nor there. It is open to the public (no gates), has no legal signage that says "you will be clamped", and my parking there was not obstructing anyone.

Private area... what would you do if they simply towed the car away since clamping isnt allowed?

They can't tow the car away... that is the point, it is a road freely open to the public.

Road, not car park

Parking on a road is perfectly legal unless there is a valid no parking zone thing parked out

What? Like, say, signs saying it's a private road?

Doesn't matter if it says PRIVATE road

a legal document said:

“Urban road” is defined in Section 15(12) to include, broadly, those roads subject to a speed
limit of up to 40 mph. “Road” is not defined in the 1974 Act: but is defined in Section 142 of
the 1984 Act (i.e. The Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984) as:
“.... any length of highway or of any other road to which the public has access ...”


...


Put simply, at Common Law, a “highway” is a way over which all members of the public have
the right to pass and re-pass without hindrance

This is a quote from a 10 year old parking ticket case in London.

You have the right to park on an "Urban Road", provided no legal signage saying you cannot do so is not in place.
In order for something to be classed in the eyes of the law as a private it has to have a gate.

Edited by rypt on Thursday 27th May 13:31

Is it a through road or a cul-de-sac

It is a cul-de-sac, which still doesn't matter in the eyes of the law as the public has unrestricted driving access to it.
It would, perhaps, be another matter were I to park in one of the parking spaces designed for residents, but parking on the actual road is perfectly legal.

So if you park on a private road, then you should pay maintance for the road for wear and tear then?

If they do not want members of the public to use that road, to the full extent of the road, then they should gate it

Or simply record your number plate and take photos and send you a bill for wear and tear and if you dont pay it take you to small claims for using a private road and causing damage...

Works both ways.

Sigh ... you cannot be billed for use of a private road ...

And why not, if it si private the residents have to pay for the wear and tear aka the up keep

If they wish for no-one else to use the road then it needs to have a gate installed, that is the way the law works.

Its not criminal it would be a civil matter...

No it wont, as under UK law access to that road is free and so forth

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Jayho said:

rypt said:

Jayho said:

rypt said:

I have mentioned this before, but to go via public transport I'm looking at far longer travel time than to do by car and park.

By but it is 40 min bus ride, 15 min walk, waiting for bus before all that, and then also getting to bus stop.
By car it is 20 mins (even in morning traffic as I know the short cuts) and 5 min walk

WOW! When has owning and running a car become a necessity rather than a luxury? AGAIN! If you cannot afford to or are unwilling to pay for one of the paid for parking then why are you running a car??? Whatever did people do before cars became so affordable most households have one? I have absolutely no idea!!!

Would you rather I didn't work?

Probably.... Considering its 2pm now and you've done nothing but bh on a public forum for 4 hours today... someone else could probably get that job who doesnt mind taking the bus...

lol OT, someone changed the title of the thread? I though it was something different from that!?! :S

Not at work today as I finished basically 2 days worth of work yesterday

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F i F said:

oldsoak said:

rypt said:

I have mentioned this before, but to go via public transport I'm looking at far longer travel time than to do by car and park.

By but it is 40 min bus ride, 15 min walk, waiting for bus before all that, and then also getting to bus stop.
By car it is 20 mins (even in morning traffic as I know the short cuts) and 5 min walk

Yeah but look at it another way, with the bus and shank's pony you don't have anywhere for anyone to stick no parking notices and no chance of being nicked for littering for chucking the bits of the no parking notice on the floor.

Agreed oldsoak, plus I call BS on his proposition for public transport.

Park at Seacourt P&R for free.
10 minute bus ride. £2.50 return
get off at New Road (say)
400m(ish) walk to the scene of his littering humiliation, prob less to where he really wants to go.

Oh dear, really not going well for OP now.

Rush hour to get into city centre from P&R (Thornhill being best/closest) is 30-40min

[rypt]

F i F said:

rypt said:

F i F said:

oldsoak said:

rypt said:

I have mentioned this before, but to go via public transport I'm looking at far longer travel time than to do by car and park.

By but it is 40 min bus ride, 15 min walk, waiting for bus before all that, and then also getting to bus stop.
By car it is 20 mins (even in morning traffic as I know the short cuts) and 5 min walk

Yeah but look at it another way, with the bus and shank's pony you don't have anywhere for anyone to stick no parking notices and no chance of being nicked for littering for chucking the bits of the no parking notice on the floor.

Agreed oldsoak, plus I call BS on his proposition for public transport.

Park at Seacourt P&R for free.
10 minute bus ride. £2.50 return
get off at New Road (say)
400m(ish) walk to the scene of his littering humiliation, prob less to where he really wants to go.

Oh dear, really not going well for OP now.

Rush hour to get into city centre from P&R (Thornhill being best/closest) is 30-40min

So your proposition is that the Park and Ride people saying Thornhill to Centre is a 15 minute journey are telling blatant lies then?

Yes, seeing as I've used it many times in the past

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spitfire-ian said:

link said:

Parking your car on a private road (unless you own the road) is trespass and also puts you at risk of obstructing the right of way of others.

http://www.boundary-problems.co.uk/maineasements.h...

Edited by spitfire-ian on Thursday 27th May 14:20

A LEGAL definition of a private road is one that is gated

It doesn't matter who owns the deeds, and so forth. In law any road that the public has access to is treated as a public highway or urban road, as such all the normal rules apply

Edited by rypt on Thursday 27th May 14:25

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OnTheOverrun said:

rypt said:

spitfire-ian said:

link said:

Parking your car on a private road (unless you own the road) is trespass and also puts you at risk of obstructing the right of way of others.

http://www.boundary-problems.co.uk/maineasements.h...

Edited by spitfire-ian on Thursday 27th May 14:20

A LEGAL definition of a private road is one that is gated

Not. No gate is required, see my post.

Your post references a website that doesn't reference any legal documents or past cases, I pointed to something from London from 10 yers ago that sues the road acts and their definitions of what an urban road is.

Which is why toll roads require special dispensation for speedlimits, as they are private roads due to being closed to entry unless authorised (via payment to enter)

Edited by rypt on Thursday 27th May 14:27