car tax online

[saaby93]

Cat said:

As you can see despite what the DirectGov website states, there is no requirement in law to display the old tax disc.

I know Direct gov is like that - why I wrote the above in the way I did

Cat said:

You were indeed also wrong about the grace period not applying to SORN'd vehicles.

so not wrong

We've seen similar before about SORN where DVLA/Directgov says what they'd like you to do but the legislation says different.

Something in the trailer/towing threads too

And of course recently about insurance certificates

ETA for Cat : Yes ok looking back, it was a quick reply and as wrong as the directgov site
But I did follow with some space that it might be wrong and wait for someone to post up the legals

Edited by saaby93 on Monday 2nd April 11:17

[Cat]

saaby93 said:

Cat said:

As you can see despite what the DirectGov website states, there is no requirement in law to display the old tax disc.

I know Direct gov is like that - why I wrote the above in the way I did

What way is that? I don't see the bit that says "I know this isn't always exactly what the law says, but...". What you did do was quote a source to try a support your incorrect claim that you must display a tax disc. You are now saying you knew that source is often at odds with the law but posted it anyway . So why do that... trolling or stupidity?

saaby93 said:

Cat said:

You were indeed also wrong about the grace period not applying to SORN'd vehicles.

so not wrong

You said "The grace period didnt apply to coming out of SORN does it now?". The legislation does and has always applied SORN'd vehicles so your statement was wrong.

saaby93 said:

And of course recently about insurance certificates

Talking about the insurance thread I notice that you have ignored the request to explain what background/experience you have in road traffic law/policing/insurance so that people are better placed to judge the quality of your posts. Care to do so now or will you just ignore it again?

Cat

[Cat]

saaby93 said:

Yes ok looking back, it was a quick reply and as wrong as the directgov site
But I did follow with some space that it might be wrong and wait for someone to post up the legals

Cat said:

Talking about the insurance thread

I'm waiting to see if Noger has any input on it.
As you said it looks as though the law says one thing but insurers and police might be doing another. There may be some case law shifting the balance.

A couple of points; firstly I have never claimed that the law says one thing but insurers and police do another, please don't make stuff up or misrepresent what I wrote to try and support your position.

Secondly, what input are waiting for from Noger? Something other that this?

Noger on Saturday in the insurance thread said:

Cat is talking sense. Listen to what he/she is saying on this. Can't be arsed to re-iterate old ground, this is mostly just equine necro-flage

(directed at saaby mostly, no time to read it all, but the Pryor stuff is spot on).

Still no information on what experience you have in the relevant areas?

Cat

ETA - it appears you deleted your quoted post whilst I was replying.

[saaby93]

Cat said:

ETA - it appears you deleted your quoted post whilst I was replying.

I did I changed to an ETA in the previous post. but that was half hour before your reply??
Was it still showing your end?
Or are you saving stuff now before soemeones finished editing it?

[mudster]

If he's already clicked the quote button then got distracted - phone call, dump, whatever..

I shall certainly look on the Direct Gov website slightly differently following this thread, as that it was I was basing my advice on.

[Cat]

saaby93 said:

did I changed to an ETA in the previous post. but that was half hour before your reply??
Was it still showing your end?
Or are you saving stuff now before soemeones finished editing it?

Nope, I quoted your post, started to reply, then got distracted by something else. I then returned to the post finished it and submitted it, when I did I noticed your post was gone, so added a line to mine to reflect that... nothing more sinister than that .

I see you removed a couple of lines when you moved it. Are you going to address my comments on them?

And finally are you going to explain what relevant experience you have?

Cat

[saaby93]

mudster said:

I shall certainly look on the Direct Gov website slightly differently following this thread, as that it was I was basing my advice on.

Have a look at this too.. it's been in and out of here for a year or more now
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...
Do you think that would save a lot of these circular arguments?

[oldsoak]

Cat said:

...........

And finally are you going to explain what relevant experience you have?

Cat

I'm guessing 'No' is your answer there Cat...

[Cat]

oldsoak said:

Cat said:

...........

And finally are you going to explain what relevant experience you have?

Cat

I'm guessing 'No' is your answer there Cat...

Not really a surprise!! If you were a cycnic you might think that the lack of a response is because the answer is "none".

However thank you for confirming that the question is actually appearing in my posts. Given the lack of a response (even a refusal to answer) I was beginning to think it was it was disappearing into the ether between my hitting submit and it arriving at t'interweb.

Cat

[Red Devil]

mudster said:

I shall certainly look on the Direct Gov website slightly differently following this thread, as that it was I was basing my advice on.

The problem with much of that site is that it attempts to simplify things. With something as complex as legislation that is a far from easy task. The upshot being it is very unreliable as authoritative source. I thought most people (on here at least) were aware of that. Ploughing through Acts and Orders can be tedious, but it is the only way to know what's what - http://www.legislation.gov.uk/

It helps if you have some idea of the title of what you're looking for. If not it's going to be a long day.

[Dwight VanDriver]

Does this help:

Finance Act 2008

147 Not exhibiting licence: period of grace.

In section 33 of VERA 1994 (not exhibiting licence), after subsection (1A) insert—

“(1B)A person is not guilty of an offence under subsection (1) or (1A) by using or keeping a vehicle on a public road during any of the 5 working days following the time when a licence or nil licence for the vehicle, or a relevant declaration applying to the vehicle, ceases to be in force, if an application for a licence or nil licence for or in respect of the vehicle to run from that time has been received before that time. .

(1C)In subsection (1B) “working day” means any day other than— .

(a)a Saturday or Sunday, or .

(b)a day which is Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, Good Friday or a bank holiday under the Banking and Financial Dealings Act 1971 in any part of the United Kingdom.

I have aq snealing feeling these 'days of grace' (wording used in Actg)were extended recently but cannot find the authority.

dvd

[saaby93]

Dwight VanDriver said:

Does this help:

Finance Act 2008

147 Not exhibiting licence: period of grace.

In section 33 of VERA 1994 (not exhibiting licence), after subsection (1A) insert—

“(1B)A person is not guilty of an offence under subsection (1) or (1A) by using or keeping a vehicle on a public road during any of the 5 working days following the time when a licence or nil licence for the vehicle, or a relevant declaration applying to the vehicle, ceases to be in force, if an application for a licence or nil licence for or in respect of the vehicle to run from that time has been received before that time. .

(1C)In subsection (1B) “working day” means any day other than— .

(a)a Saturday or Sunday, or .

(b)a day which is Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, Good Friday or a bank holiday under the Banking and Financial Dealings Act 1971 in any part of the United Kingdom.

I have aq snealing feeling these 'days of grace' (wording used in Actg)were extended recently but cannot find the authority.

dvd

DVD I boldened that

Is there anything in this finance act that would stop a certificate of insurance certifying that a policy of insurance in in place, as in the other thread thats running?

[Cat]

Dwight VanDriver said:

I have aq snealing feeling these 'days of grace' (wording used in Actg)were extended recently but cannot find the authority.

dvd

This year's budget contained a proposal to increase the period to 14 days, it will reduce postage costs apparently. It is to be included in the Finance Bill 2013 so has yet to happen.

Cat

[kingboyk]

My car's been away with a specialist mechanic for an overhaul and MOT. I didn't renew the tax, which was due yesterday, as I was waiting to hear from the guy that the work needed would make economic sense. This took a lot longer than I expected. In the meantime the MOT ran out. I couldn't tax it without an MOT. It passed its test today, and I taxed it online, one day late (there's a 14 day grace period for making the tax or SORN application provided the car isn't used on the road except for driving to the test centre, which it hasn't been). I couldn't tax the car at a Post Office because I until get the train down there I don't have the paper certificate to hand! We're now entering a 4 day weekend with no Post Office and no mail.

As far as I'm concerned, I've paid for my tax and the car is roadworthy and insured. Yet, by the letter of the law, I'm not allowed to drive it because the grace period for displaying a disc after expiry only applies if the renewal application was made before expiry (see posts quoting the statute above)! What am I supposed to do, leave my taxed, tested and insured, newly overhauled P&J (a 205 GTi) in the mechanic's yard during the holiday period?! According to the law, yes.

To my mind this is simply absurd.

[LoonR1]

kingboyk said:

What am I supposed to do,

I'd suggest growing up and getting rid of the victim mentality as a start.