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Pardon my rather simplistic approach Moom, but surely it's his/her word against yours ? How the bloody hell can Plod think they've got a cat in hell's chance in getting a result ? What a waste of money.
Be reasonable and logical if you can! It isnt the Police that want to take action. Far from it. The Police would not even have known about this if the two cars had stopped and exchanged details.
The Police have an obligation to investigate any complaint that is made to them, be it criminal or traffic based.
If a complaint of a fail to stop accident is received then are we to ignore this because some self opinionated person thinks that we are wasting everybodys time! (unless of course that person happens to suddenly become an aggrieved party. Then it is 'why aren't the Police doing anything to help me...')
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I'd get a good solicitor and get them to throw it out. There's simply no justice if this goes through and you end up getting slapped for it.
a GOOD solicitor costs lots of bucks!!
There is justice if it happens that you are the aggrieved party in a fail to stop accident.
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Sorry madcop, but your buddies have gone down in my estimation. Again.
It is unfortunate that the Police should be perceived as being good if they do something you agree with and bad if they do something you don't. However it is their role to remain impartial.
The Police can only act within the law which is written by parliament for the benefit of everyone.
They do not make the law.
The Police are there to act on information they receive and to gather the evidence relating to that matter. Having done that it is then put before a court to decide whether there is a case to answer and to mete out punishment if there is (Justice)
I say again think about the boot being on the other foot.
A scrote in a Nova clonks your TVR mirror and disappears. You attend the Police Station to report it and the desk Sgt says...
" Sorry mate there are a number of people on the PH website that think this is a complete waste of time and due to the fact that the Police will go down in their estimation we will do nothing about this. Good Day"
You cannot expect the Police to gather the information in only cases that you think are worthy.
If a complaint is received it is investigated, regardless how trivial.
There are discipline offences attached to not doing so. No one wants to be subject of a FIZZER on the basis that they neglected to investigate a complaint.
It is not the Police that prosecute. The evidence is evaluated by CPS and it is them that issue Summons.
Hope this helps your understanding a little better
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Pardon my rather simplistic approach Moom, but surely it's his/her word against yours ? How the bloody hell can Plod think they've got a cat in hell's chance in getting a result ? What a waste of money.
Be reasonable and logical if you can! It isnt the Police that want to take action. Far from it. The Police would not even have known about this if the two cars had stopped and exchanged details.
The Police have an obligation to investigate any complaint that is made to them, be it criminal or traffic based.
If a complaint of a fail to stop accident is received then are we to ignore this because some self opinionated person thinks that we are wasting everybodys time! (unless of course that person happens to suddenly become an aggrieved party. Then it is 'why aren't the Police doing anything to help me...')
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I'd get a good solicitor and get them to throw it out. There's simply no justice if this goes through and you end up getting slapped for it.
a GOOD solicitor costs lots of bucks!!
There is justice if it happens that you are the aggrieved party in a fail to stop accident.
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Sorry madcop, but your buddies have gone down in my estimation. Again.
It is unfortunate that the Police should be perceived as being good if they do something you agree with and bad if they do something you don't. However it is their role to remain impartial.
The Police can only act within the law which is written by parliament for the benefit of everyone.
They do not make the law.
The Police are there to act on information they receive and to gather the evidence relating to that matter. Having done that it is then put before a court to decide whether there is a case to answer and to mete out punishment if there is (Justice)
I say again think about the boot being on the other foot.
A scrote in a Nova clonks your TVR mirror and disappears. You attend the Police Station to report it and the desk Sgt says...
" Sorry mate there are a number of people on the PH website that think this is a complete waste of time and due to the fact that the Police will go down in their estimation we will do nothing about this. Good Day"
You cannot expect the Police to gather the information in only cases that you think are worthy.
If a complaint is received it is investigated, regardless how trivial.
There are discipline offences attached to not doing so. No one wants to be subject of a FIZZER on the basis that they neglected to investigate a complaint.
It is not the Police that prosecute. The evidence is evaluated by CPS and it is them that issue Summons.
Hope this helps your understanding a little better
strange they want intrested when it was one of them that hit me.
They do hell of alot in some cases to see it dont ever get to the cps without a private court action being take aganist them.
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strange they want intrested when it was one of them that hit me.
They do hell of alot in some cases to see it dont ever get to the cps without a private court action being take aganist them.
Have you ever stopped to think why outlaw? Nobody could possibly be as unlucky as you!!
not worrie they pay for it in the end pluss intrest.
I all ways get the chas in the end one way or another
I case your wondering they managed to hit it wen my motor was sationary.
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The Police have an obligation to investigate any complaint that is made to them, be it criminal or traffic based.
Madcop ol' pal, you're making a bit of a rod for your own back here. I can think of a number of occasions when they have completely failed to do anything at all.
supost too , but offten dont.
had to had to pay a vist the duty inspector a few times to convine/asskick a few pc`s into doing what they should have done in the first place.
I been know to ring up the local head of the cps
to give them an even hard kick.
last time when I got back to the station. there was the pc standing outside like a good boy wating to deal with it
so I guess he got a foot well and truely planted up his rear end by the cps.
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The Police have an obligation to investigate any complaint that is made to them, be it criminal or traffic based.
Madcop ol' pal, you're making a bit of a rod for your own back here. I can think of a number of occasions when they have completely failed to do anything at all.
supost too , but offten dont.
had to had to pay a vist the duty inspector a few times to convine/asskick a few pc`s into doing what they should have done in the first place.
I been know to ring up the local head of the cps
to give them an even hard kick.
last time when I got back to the station. there was the pc standing outside like a good boy wating to deal with it
so I guess he got a foot well and truely planted up his rear end by the cps.
You bad spelling and grammar is surely an ironic gesture!
One for Madcop or John Robson...(sorry its long)
I'm intrigued about your comments. A couple of years ago a woman in a Saab veered across a two lane roundabout without looking, clouting my girlfriend's Peugeot and stoved the Peugeot's front wing in with her front bumper. There were no witnesses.
Thew woman drove off without stopping - my girlfriend followed her for a short distance, got her reg no and reported the incident to the Police.
A couple of days later the police contacted us to say they had found the woman and evidence of a collision on her car (blue paint on her bumper). She claimed that she thought there had only been a 'clanging of wing mirrors'.
The Police suggested she came to see us to discuss the damage to our vehicle. She and her husband came to see us. They asked us to drop the complaint to the Police - we replied that we were perfectly happy to do so, provided they paid for our car to be repaired. The woman claimed the accident was not her fault and that she would never knowingly drive off from an accident etc etc - then became hysterical. Her husband asked her to go outside and then told us that she was close to a nervous breakdown and could do without the stress of the police being involved. Fine we said, pay for the repairs and we'll say no more about it.
The policeman had a similar display of tears and hysterics when he questioned the woman, who was undoubtedly a bit unstable.
Next day the husband phoned to say he had spoken to his insurance company and they had instructed him not to speak to us again.
A week or so later we had a letter from the police saying that the CPS felt it was not in the public's interest to pursue the case.
We ended up paying for the repairs to our car and were not able to get anything from this woman.
I don't understand why she wasn't issued with a NIP and the case pursued? That she drove off from an accident was not disputed, nor was the fact that there had been an accident.
Could it be that the police felt sorry for her and decided not to pursue it? It could easily have pushed her over the edge, mentally - but is that reason enough to let her off?
We felt somewhat let dow by the whole affair (and somewhat poorer too!).
I'm intrigued about your comments. A couple of years ago a woman in a Saab veered across a two lane roundabout without looking, clouting my girlfriend's Peugeot and stoved the Peugeot's front wing in with her front bumper. There were no witnesses.
Thew woman drove off without stopping - my girlfriend followed her for a short distance, got her reg no and reported the incident to the Police.
A couple of days later the police contacted us to say they had found the woman and evidence of a collision on her car (blue paint on her bumper). She claimed that she thought there had only been a 'clanging of wing mirrors'.
The Police suggested she came to see us to discuss the damage to our vehicle. She and her husband came to see us. They asked us to drop the complaint to the Police - we replied that we were perfectly happy to do so, provided they paid for our car to be repaired. The woman claimed the accident was not her fault and that she would never knowingly drive off from an accident etc etc - then became hysterical. Her husband asked her to go outside and then told us that she was close to a nervous breakdown and could do without the stress of the police being involved. Fine we said, pay for the repairs and we'll say no more about it.
The policeman had a similar display of tears and hysterics when he questioned the woman, who was undoubtedly a bit unstable.
Next day the husband phoned to say he had spoken to his insurance company and they had instructed him not to speak to us again.
A week or so later we had a letter from the police saying that the CPS felt it was not in the public's interest to pursue the case.
We ended up paying for the repairs to our car and were not able to get anything from this woman.
I don't understand why she wasn't issued with a NIP and the case pursued? That she drove off from an accident was not disputed, nor was the fact that there had been an accident.
Could it be that the police felt sorry for her and decided not to pursue it? It could easily have pushed her over the edge, mentally - but is that reason enough to let her off?
We felt somewhat let dow by the whole affair (and somewhat poorer too!).
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One for Madcop or John Robson...(sorry its long)
I'm intrigued about your comments. A couple of years ago a woman in a Saab veered across a two lane roundabout without looking, clouting my girlfriend's Peugeot and stoved the Peugeot's front wing in with her front bumper. There were no witnesses.
Thew woman drove off without stopping - my girlfriend followed her for a short distance, got her reg no and reported the incident to the Police.
A couple of days later the police contacted us to say they had found the woman and evidence of a collision on her car (blue paint on her bumper). She claimed that she thought there had only been a 'clanging of wing mirrors'.
The Police suggested she came to see us to discuss the damage to our vehicle. She and her husband came to see us. They asked us to drop the complaint to the Police - we replied that we were perfectly happy to do so, provided they paid for our car to be repaired. The woman claimed the accident was not her fault and that she would never knowingly drive off from an accident etc etc - then became hysterical. Her husband asked her to go outside and then told us that she was close to a nervous breakdown and could do without the stress of the police being involved. Fine we said, pay for the repairs and we'll say no more about it.
The policeman had a similar display of tears and hysterics when he questioned the woman, who was undoubtedly a bit unstable.
Next day the husband phoned to say he had spoken to his insurance company and they had instructed him not to speak to us again.
A week or so later we had a letter from the police saying that the CPS felt it was not in the public's interest to pursue the case.
We ended up paying for the repairs to our car and were not able to get anything from this woman.
I don't understand why she wasn't issued with a NIP and the case pursued? That she drove off from an accident was not disputed, nor was the fact that there had been an accident.
Could it be that the police felt sorry for her and decided not to pursue it? It could easily have pushed her over the edge, mentally - but is that reason enough to let her off?
We felt somewhat let dow by the whole affair (and somewhat poorer too!).
it happens all the time
love it... quote:Come on Carl, you can't seriously believe that the police just clout people without understandable provocation?*
Ummm. Depressing when that sort of thing gets *other* people off, yet funny how they never listen to any of *us* !!! Do they have a NumptieHeads.com where they discuss clouting innocent motorists & crow how they got away with it?
I had various exchanges and encounters with the police when I was younger, one or two where I'd stepped over the line and wouldn't have been entirely surprised to have recieved a slap, but at all times I've received good treatment all things being considered.
*terms & conditions apply
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Could it be that the police felt sorry for her and decided not to pursue it? It could easily have pushed her over the edge, mentally - but is that reason enough to let her off?
The standard reply is that I can't comment as I only know your side of the story.
The Police do not pursue prosecution. We can request CPS take a certain action and give reasons for that but the decision is solely theirs.
The fact that she was unstable would not be grounds to drop the case. The magistrates would be told of her vulnerable position before sentence was made if it had been proceeded with.
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We felt somewhat let dow by the whole affair (and somewhat poorer too!).
I too have been a victim of crime and CPS. I understand exactly how you feel. I work within the system and it even lets me down.
April 1999, I was dealing with a minor criminal damage
(broken window). Whilst trying to establish what had happened by asking witnesses standing around, a drunken chap in his 40's decided to take umbridge to my presence. I was with 2 colleagues one of whom was a female.
He was shouting and making it difficult to hear the youth that was alleged to have broken the window.
I asked him politely to calm down and stop shouting so that I could hear what was being said.
He took three fast steps towards me and headbutted me in the mouth breaking my two front teeth. this was completely unprovoked other than I was wearing a uniform.
He was arrested for ABH (actual bodily harm)
He was subsequently charged with ABH. (within the guide lines for CPS charging standards)
He pleaded not guilty.
Two weeks after the initial hearing I received a phone call from Police prosecutions dept asking me if it was acceptable to me for them to accept a plea of guilty on a common assualt ( the equivalent of a slap around the face or a push in the chest)
I told them to poke it. Continue with ABH.
An hour later I was requested to reconsider as he would plead to Assault on Police (next down from ABH).
They gave me a reason = An assault Police would look better on his already long C.V. as it showed that he struck a Police Officer. An ABH would be annonymous and recorded simply as ABH.
I told them to poke it as it was my teeth and lips that were damaged and he did it without provocation.
I was requested to call the CPS lawyer dealing with the case.
I tried for three or four weeks constantly. She was never available and didnt return my calls.
Eventually I spoke to her deputy who put me onto the senior prosecutor for the area. He knew nothing about it although I was told that he would listen to my case.
He did phone me back later that day to give me the good news that it had been dealt with the week before when he pleaded guilty to Assault Police.
THE TRUTH:= They proceeded with Assault Police because it would only be dealt with in the magistrates court (cheap)
If it had continued as ABH, the offender could elect trial at Crown Court (expensive)
Do it behind your back and it is too late. No Apology NAFF ALL
RESULT:= Dental bill of £250 to repair damage and a lot of discomfort from the injured gum and lips.
Compensation of £150 and £250 dental bill
result of this is still collecting the compensation of a cheque for £10 every two months.
YOU THINK I AM NOT AS P*SSED OFF WITH IT AS YOU LOT.
Dont get me into the dozy Asian lady that wrote my car off in a car park while I was getting my hair cut, then failed to stop in her effort to disguise the fact she hadn't got insurance. That Cost me £1000 and she never ended up in court either
EVEN MORE IF THAT IS HOW THE SYSTEM TREATS ME. WHAT CHANCE DO YOU HAVE?
I don't think the majority of road users would even consider a wing mirror clip an "RTA", let alone consider it necessary to report it. Even if you could find a police station that was open.
So much for police discretion. Sorry, this seems pretty anal to me, was it really necessary for the NIP to be issued? What did the "injured" party say to convince the officer that it was the appropriate course of action? "I have his registration number"? Must remember that next time I find a car park ding in my door. Corroboration?
>> Edited by philshort on Wednesday 19th June 23:34
So much for police discretion. Sorry, this seems pretty anal to me, was it really necessary for the NIP to be issued? What did the "injured" party say to convince the officer that it was the appropriate course of action? "I have his registration number"? Must remember that next time I find a car park ding in my door. Corroboration?
>> Edited by philshort on Wednesday 19th June 23:34
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I don't think the majority of road users would even consider a wing mirror clip an "RTA", let alone consider it necessary to report it. Even if you could find a police station that was open.
regardless what anyone considers it is a fail to stop RTA and is dealt with as such. If it happens to you, I strongly suggest you report it or face the consequences which may be considerable.
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So much for police discretion. Sorry, this seems pretty anal to me. Bullshit about following the letter of the law doesn't really wash.
Anal or not if it was you on the receiving end, you would expect something done.
IT IS NOT POLICE DISCRETION. WE WOULD NOT EVEN KNOW ABOUT THIS IF SOMEONE DIDNT TELL US.
CPS ARE THE PROSECUTORS. OTHER DRIVERS ARE THE INFORMANTS.
THE POLICE JUST COLLATE THE INFORMATION TO PUT BEFORE CPS
Having been told of it you cannot go to the offender and say.
"You hit Mr X wing mirror yesterday, Dont worry old chap, we understand that people dont always get it right while on the road, as many people on PH dont consider it an accident I will let you of with a warning. Please dont do it again, theres a good chap"
Then go back to the complainant and tell him of your discretion.
How would you feel if it were you?
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