British Transport Police and speeding.....
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Streetcop said:
ive lost all faith in police now. when i hit a deer in my car 2 police cars drove past and neither stoped, they wernt 2gether and they were spaced out by about 10min. it was a country road and we only had a tourch and neither stoped i couldnt beleave it. iwas shinging my light at them to attract there attention and then 2nite i broke down on a 2 lane road in the countryside and was half on half off the road and a cop pulled around me and it was foggy 2. iam not impressed by theses cops there only after finding ppl doin 31mph in a 30 ive lost all respect 4 them .
No problems mate...you lose repect in things in life...it happens....
Of course...you'll be dialling 999 like a fevered masturbater when you hear a team of burglars in your house...your lost respect will suddenly reappear at lightling speed....
Street
Ah... but you'll be waiting a couple of days for them to turn up.
Time after time i read on various forums that decent law abiding people are losing faith in the police for varied reasons, not least minor traffic offences.
What if anything is being done to reverse this trend?
Streetcop said:
...........Most BiB are sick to the back teeth of gobby kids, tosser teenagers and dolescum tw@ts causing havoc in the neighbourhood. The police's hand's are tied and the legal process is virtually unworkable......
.....The police DO want to sort anti social behaviour out. However, the legal system put up hurdles, the courts are limp, and the public complain if the police are heavy handed.
Any suggestions?
Street
Read the other day about some bloke who had suffered harassment, abuse and vandalism for years, kept calling the police who did nothing. They finally came out. And charged him. For using abusive and threatening language.
He'd finally lost his rag, taken the law into his own hands, and told the kids to, wait for it, p1ss 0ff!
So how come it wasn't too much hassle to charge him? And how come they hadn't been able to charge the kids for 5 years?
Similarly with the recent grave-robbing incident. Years of abuse, threats, intimidation, vandalism, criminal damage, etc, etc. I thought that no one had ever been apprehended. And now I read that someone had been. By the victims.
And the police were going to charge who, exactly, for harassing who?
It certainly looks like the police have ample powers already. So why do they always seem to use them against the victims of crime?
diesel ed said:
Read the other day about some bloke who had suffered harassment, abuse and vandalism for years, kept calling the police who did nothing. They finally came out. And charged him. For using abusive and threatening language.
He'd finally lost his rag, taken the law into his own hands, and told the kids to, wait for it, p1ss 0ff!
So how come it wasn't too much hassle to charge him? And how come they hadn't been able to charge the kids for 5 years?
Probably because he couldn't identify one single kid. The Police would turn up, kids have already run away, so no suspects. Old man describes them as "the kids that are always hanging around here, everyone knows them" or something similar. He can't describe the actual kid that did it and has no idea of his name or where he lives, so Police have no idea who he's talking about. They then get accused of doing nothing. The old man starts laying into them because of his frustration and total ignorance of the law, and quite rightly gets nicked. What are the Police supposed to do? Lynch every kid in a half-mile radius because 'all the kids round here are the same'? Without a witness or suspect what the hell are they supposed to do?
As for the old boy being charged for telling some kid to piss off, you actually believe that do you? Or could it be our good old plod-bashing British press again, in other words complete and utter bulls**t......
mybrainhurts said:
Why did you overtake a police car at over 100?
Used to do that regularly pre-1970.
They never even blinked.
And cars used to handle like planks.
And they didn't stop very well.
Happy days.........
That they were! Bring (some) of 'em back!
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Maybe I missed it in all the sh1te in this thread, but could someone answer the question straight and not divert into a bitter diatribe about how great a policeman they are, what they'd have done or how crap the police are....heard it all before and bored sh1tless of it now.
In the situation initially described in this thread, do British Transport Police have the legal right to stop a civilian for speeding? And please don't go on about citizens arrest etc....would you get a ticket/points?
In the situation initially described in this thread, do British Transport Police have the legal right to stop a civilian for speeding? And please don't go on about citizens arrest etc....would you get a ticket/points?
Wow I agree with GreigM what is the answer to my question from our nice cops?
One comment from Street said " I'd have done a following vascar check and then 'done ya'....
(and before you say it....the police can exceed the speed limit to detect offences. Speeding is one of them.)
Remember I was BEHIND said British Transport Police car that was driving at 100-110 no lights. I followed for 10 miles before he noticed ...slowed down.... and then I overtook once I'd noted he was a "train bobby"
TRain bobbies don't have Vascar or calibrated speedos (not the trunks lol) so therefore can't measure speed accuratly, Oh and don;t have the peperwork to give you a producer.... so
What could I have been done for? if anything? if I had had my camera could I have arrested him (citizens arest) for speeding - he'sd then have to prove he was "detecting offences" which could be logged via the control room.
Personally I think he could have been nicked, didnb;t have the authority and liked switching his lights on.
Why did I do it ....... because he was taking the pixx and abusing his uniform :-)
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One comment from Street said " I'd have done a following vascar check and then 'done ya'....
(and before you say it....the police can exceed the speed limit to detect offences. Speeding is one of them.)
Remember I was BEHIND said British Transport Police car that was driving at 100-110 no lights. I followed for 10 miles before he noticed ...slowed down.... and then I overtook once I'd noted he was a "train bobby"
TRain bobbies don't have Vascar or calibrated speedos (not the trunks lol) so therefore can't measure speed accuratly, Oh and don;t have the peperwork to give you a producer.... so
What could I have been done for? if anything? if I had had my camera could I have arrested him (citizens arest) for speeding - he'sd then have to prove he was "detecting offences" which could be logged via the control room.
Personally I think he could have been nicked, didnb;t have the authority and liked switching his lights on.
Why did I do it ....... because he was taking the pixx and abusing his uniform :-)
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free money said:
One comment from Street said " I'd have done a following vascar check and then 'done ya'....
(and before you say it....the police can exceed the speed limit to detect offences. Speeding is one of them.)
Remember I was BEHIND said British Transport Police car that was driving at 100-110 no lights. I followed for 10 miles before he noticed ...slowed down.... and then I overtook once I'd noted he was a "train bobby"[/quotw]
Vascar/pro-vida checks can be done either way..
free money said:
TRain bobbies don't have Vascar or calibrated speedos (not the trunks lol) so therefore can't measure speed accuratly
I agree and I think it's highly unlikely that they would try to engage in such. What can be done is their speedo can be checked by a trafficpol after the 'incident' should any prosecution of excess speed or dangerous driving be required.
free money said:
What could I have been done for? if anything? if I had had my camera could I have arrested him (citizens arest) for speeding - he'sd then have to prove he was "detecting offences" which could be logged via the control room. Speeding isn't arrestable...even by the Bobbies, let alone a member of the public..
free money said:
Personally I think he could have been nicked, didnb;t have the authority and liked switching his lights on.
Neither you or I know what they were responding to, if anything...so don't lose any sleep, will you?
[quote=free money]Why did I do it ....... because he was taking the pixx and abusing his uniform :-)
Do also get out of your car and confront every white van man/trucker/whatever that cuts in front of you and takes the 'pixx'? Nope? Thought not....
Street
Street cheers mate! - the answer I was looking for lies within your last statement. That is .... He couldn't arrest me and didn't have the right paperwork so couldn't report me for the offence, so a chat about "1 unders" and/or "....but DO you have a ticket for first class?" was all he could officially do - obviously an excuse to look inside a Cerbera..
Cheers I'll give him the finger next time
Cheers I'll give him the finger next time
Free Money said:
My question to our traffic friends on the forum what powers do the BT police have to stop? was I lucky? was driving like he was likely to get him in trouble..
Police officer in uniform can stop you for anything suspicious - I think....
But always under impression that you BiB bunch have to abide by same rules as us - unless you are on emergency - and even then - as lieber gone has already pointed out - lots of paperwork if you get zapped whilst on a shout.
So therefore - by that token - this Train Cop was right law breaking numpty ....
Und he did not even have a pregnant cat under the bonnet either Themoss said:
Probably because he couldn't identify one single kid. The Police would turn up, kids have already run away, so no suspects. Old man describes them as "the kids that are always hanging around here, everyone knows them" or something similar. He can't describe the actual kid that did it and has no idea of his name or where he lives, so Police have no idea who he's talking about. They then get accused of doing nothing. The old man starts laying into them because of his frustration and total ignorance of the law, and quite rightly gets nicked. What are the Police supposed to do? Lynch every kid in a half-mile radius because 'all the kids round here are the same'? Without a witness or suspect what the hell are they supposed to do?
What the hell are they supposed to do?!
They could always borrow a speed camera, and hide in the bushes with a dozen of their mates videoing the vandals and hooligans I suppose.
Or would that be a ridiculous waste of police resources?
GreigM said:
Maybe I missed it in all the sh1te in this thread, but could someone answer the question straight and not divert into a bitter diatribe about how great a policeman they are, what they'd have done or how crap the police are....heard it all before and bored sh1tless of it now.
In the situation initially described in this thread, do British Transport Police have the legal right to stop a civilian for speeding? And please don't go on about citizens arrest etc....would you get a ticket/points?
Glad it wasnt just me Grieg. I ploughed through the whole of this thread and it is amazing how quickly these things go off the original subject and just end up as a chance to slag off the police.
I have two questions...
1 - Do British Transport police and Military police have the necessary powers to pull you over and do you for speeding?
2 - WHAT ON EARTH POSSESSED YOU TO OVERTAKE THEM ANYWAY? No wonder your wife was having kittens. I think you have got some serious issues there.
Pigeon said:
I could be wrong, I'm posting to find out, I'd do the same if I saw the military police...
Surely the military police don't have any jurisdiction over civilians?
I know someone that was caught speeding on MOD property which is actually a public road. Was a long time ago, but it was in the Fleet/Aldershot area, and I believe she was fined but no points.
SpudGunner said:
Maybe I missed it in all the sh1te in this thread, but could someone answer the question straight and not divert into a bitter diatribe about how great a policeman they are, what they'd have done or how crap the police are....heard it all before and bored sh1tless of it now.
In the situation initially described in this thread, do British Transport Police have the legal right to stop a civilian for speeding? And please don't go on about citizens arrest etc....would you get a ticket/points?
Glad it wasnt just me Grieg. I ploughed through the whole of this thread and it is amazing how quickly these things go off the original subject and just end up as a chance to slag off the police.
..... To answer your question spud...they have the power to pull you up..as they hold the office of 'constable'. However, they wouldn't be able to do you for speeding per se. A later calibration check of their speedo might be used in very very serious cases.
In addition, military police sometimes have extended powers for radar speed checks close to military bases.
Street
The official line on MoD/Military Police is as follows. MoD police have the full powers of a Constable over ALL persons when acting within 10 miles of any Ministry of Defence property (and that is actually most of this country!!!!) in other words they can pretty much do whoever they choose for whatever, wherever. Military Police (includes RAF Police, Naval Provost & RM Police) have powers of arrest over military personel at all times, associated civilian personel (i.e wives, children, and civilian support staff) for arrestable offences at all times and all other persons when on MoD Property.
As for the Hornby Bobbies Fluck knows but I don't slow down for them either
I forgot to add there are always some "local" exceptions for Military Police and they are often sworn in locally with the full powers of a Constable dependant on where in the world this is it often extends there powers to cover all civilians (i.e iraq, the Falkland Islands, Diego Garcia, and on occasions some UK garrison towns)
>> Edited by mel on Thursday 14th October 09:34
As for the Hornby Bobbies Fluck knows but I don't slow down for them either
I forgot to add there are always some "local" exceptions for Military Police and they are often sworn in locally with the full powers of a Constable dependant on where in the world this is it often extends there powers to cover all civilians (i.e iraq, the Falkland Islands, Diego Garcia, and on occasions some UK garrison towns)
>> Edited by mel on Thursday 14th October 09:34
Do civilian police have full authority on MOD property?
I used to live on Upper Heyford Air Force Base and we had the MOD Police and the normal Police out one night due to a party and no one knew who had authority as they both said different things.
This was after we had the environmental health out...
I used to live on Upper Heyford Air Force Base and we had the MOD Police and the normal Police out one night due to a party and no one knew who had authority as they both said different things.
This was after we had the environmental health out...
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