is accelerating quick an offence
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ca092003 said:
He doesn't. he should be civil to you at all times. I think being uncivil/incivil to a MoP is a discplinary offence. The Duty Inspector may well be interested.
Yes, but unfortunately the officer concerned and all his colleagues might then become unduly interested in the MoP concerned. IfyouknowwhatImean.
(Newton's Third Law of Motion, but as applied to Police Officers.
) >> Edited by JonRB on Thursday 14th October 13:11
JonRB said:
He doesn't. he should be civil to you at all times. I think being uncivil/incivil to a MoP is a discplinary offence. The Duty Inspector may well be interested.
Yes, but unfortunately the officer concerned and all his colleagues might then become unduly interested in the MoP concerned. IfyouknowwhatImean.
(Newton's Third Law of Motion, but as applied to Police Officers.
>> Edited by JonRB on Thursday 14th October 13:11
Maybe. It depends whether people are willing to be bullied. I heard a story recently where a BiB targetted a young man and stopped him over 30 times over a cetain period. He also hit him with an ASB warning. The young (decent, not a scrote) lad turned up to the interview with this PC's Inspector with copies of the relevant legislation which showed how the PC had acted inappropriately and perhaps even unlawfully.
The upshot was that the Inspector agreed to mark the young man's vehicle on the PNC as 'only stop if offence committeed'. I also believe the Inspector 'had words' with this rather unpleasant PC.
As I have said on another thread, I've personally never had a bad experience with the Police and so I have no axe to grind, but there is no way at all I would ever allow myself to be bullied by people who are supposed to be defending the very principles that this country was founded on.
Absolutely...
What the PC should have done is not stop the kid all the time and give him a producer, but do him for;
Speeding
No seat belt
Parking on double yellow lines
Using mobile phone whilst driving..
etcetc..
Then there can be no counter claims....
Street
Of course, the lad would have had to commit those offences first
What the PC should have done is not stop the kid all the time and give him a producer, but do him for;
Speeding
No seat belt
Parking on double yellow lines
Using mobile phone whilst driving..
etcetc..
Then there can be no counter claims....
Street
Of course, the lad would have had to commit those offences first
chief-0369 said:
(2) A person riding a cycle on a road must stop the cycle on being required to do so by a constable in uniform.
(3) If a person fails to comply with this section he is guilty of an offence and is liable to arrest.
What if he is riding on the pavement
Have a read of what 'road' means in the legislation..
Street
V8 ETE said:
I don't think he had the right to speak to me as if i was a piece of crap though.
Absolutely...i agree...
He might need to scream and shout at you to be heard as you were in your car....however, once stopped he should have been polite and professional...(if indeed he wasn't)
Personally, I find the quiet, polite and professional approach far better when dealing with motorists...gives them less to whine about and more time to reflect on what they've done and what it's going to cost them..
That way...they answer the questions later and not I..
Street
Plotloss said:
Plotloss said:
Doesnt the Highway Code state that you should accelerate to the speed limit as quickly as possible...
The HC is only advisory...
Besides...the limit is a limit, not a target
Street
Going to have to disagree with you there, if it says MUST/MUST NOT thats a rule.
Please spare me the pious soundbites of a nanny age.
You're right..the MUST and MUST NOT are obligatory...
Of course..that also means that there will not be a MUST achieve the speed limit asap.
Street
ca092003 said:
I don't think he had the right to speak to me as if i was a piece of crap though.
He doesn't. he should be civil to you at all times. I think being uncivil/incivil to a MoP is a discplinary offence. The Duty Inspector may well be interested.
Correct.....
The duty inspector might be interested as you rightly say...However, an informal resolution is all that will occur and that isn't worth the paper it's written on....The complainant spends more time making the comlaint and having it written out than the PC in question spends signing an acknowledement slip for the informally resolved complaint.
Of course in the good old days before speed cameras and such like...the police used to beat up criminals, but people complained and we ended up with the IPCC....because people liked bringing things to the attention of the "Duty Inspector". So nowadays, that doesn't occur and the burglars now have nothing to fear.
Still the public know best...
Sleep well...
Street
ca092003 said:
[quote=V8 ETE]He doesn't. he should be civil to you at all times. I think being uncivil/incivil to a MoP is a discplinary offence. The Duty Inspector may well be interested.
i got pulled over a couple weeks back for an illegal u-turn. the police officer then pulled another car over for having a loud exhaust right behind me. he then came over to my car and told me that "lucky for you the guy behind you is more of a dick than you are so you won't be getting any points."
well i was not happy with that but i didn't get any points which was good.tim_s said:
i got pulled over a couple weeks back for an illegal u-turn. the police officer then pulled another car over for having a loud exhaust right behind me. he then came over to my car and told me that "lucky for you the guy behind you is more of a dick than you are so you won't be getting any points."
And so you should be....you should be thinking...
what a good do...I'm glad that cop did that.... The problem nowadays is this.....If the BiB decides not to ticket them, but instead gives a good bollocking, man to man, the driver complains about the BiB attitude and the way he was spoken to. So the BiB thinks...F~~K this for a game of soldiers...every driver in future I will speak to like they are the Queen...Oh..but they'll also leave me with a piece of paper requiring payment and recieving points..
You have to make a decision....bollocking or fine/points.....
Street
I personally would have dealt with you both...but that's me..
I think the numpty public (and in this particular case the bib too) on the whole do find a vehicle accelerating quickly to be quite alarming, but then this is how they've been nurtured. e.g. when I was taking my driving lessons years ago the emphasis was on accelerating gently and quietly and not making use of the searing power that the Nissan Sunny had over 3,500rpm. It was so much better on my motorcycle lessons when I was taught to accelerate hard, up to my intended cruising speed.
It's all about making progress.
It's all about making progress.
Streetcop said:
V8 ETE said:
I don't think he had the right to speak to me as if i was a piece of crap though.
He doesn't. he should be civil to you at all times. I think being uncivil/incivil to a MoP is a discplinary offence. The Duty Inspector may well be interested.
Correct.....
The duty inspector might be interested as you rightly say...However, an informal resolution is all that will occur and that isn't worth the paper it's written on....The complainant spends more time making the comlaint and having it written out than the PC in question spends signing an acknowledement slip for the informally resolved complaint.
Of course in the good old days before speed cameras and such like...the police used to beat up criminals, but people complained and we ended up with the IPCC....because people liked bringing things to the attention of the "Duty Inspector". So nowadays, that doesn't occur and the burglars now have nothing to fear.
Still the public know best...
Sleep well...
Street
Indeed. But if the BiB wasn't unnecesssarily rude, there would be no need to complain, would they? Cause and effect, dear boy, cause and effect.
Streetcop said:
You have to make a decision....bollocking or fine/points.....
Street
I personally would have dealt with you both...but that's me..
i'd much rather have the bollocking than points but you have to ask yourself this - does doing an illegal u-turn late at night with no cars around where buses ARE allowed to turn make me a dick? Um no. Opportunistic yes.
tim_s said:
Streetcop said:
You have to make a decision....bollocking or fine/points.....
Street
I personally would have dealt with you both...but that's me..
i'd much rather have the bollocking than points but you have to ask yourself this - does doing an illegal u-turn late at night with no cars around where buses ARE allowed to turn make me a dick? Um no. Opportunistic yes.
Agreed....
But then you probably think the cop was a 'dick', it's just that he told you...
Street
>> Edited by Streetcop on Thursday 14th October 13:59
Streetcop said:
I agree Bennyboy....
But you don't make any 'progress' at all if what you do results in the BiB stopping you....
I see Progress being made all the time by drivers....only to crawl up behind them at traffic lights or behind a car that is waiting to turn right...
Street
I do this frequently. I make 'progress' not necessarily just to make progress but to finetune the skills I have learned during my various advanced driving tuition.
Sometimes I just go out looking for B roads with a bit of traffic on them.
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