60mph limit for pick ups?
Discussion
k da po-liceMarti99 said:
The gov site says not more than 2 Tonnes LADEN.
The .gov link referenced earlier is unclear in the way it is written (as they often are). The way it is written can be read that the 2 tonnes laden weight limit applies to both dual purpose vehicle and car derived vans, whereas it only applies to the latter. The weight restriction on DPVs is that their unladen weight must not exceed 2040kg. Cat
Scuffers said:
from here: http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/faq-answer?id=Q5...
Question
What class of vehicle is a double cab pick up?
Answer
Most double cab pick ups would fall into the class of dual purpose vehicle (examples of a double cab pick up are vehicles such as Mitsubishi Warrior and a Ford Ranger). A dual purpose vehicle is;
constructed/adapted for carriage of both passengers and goods
a vehicle with an unladen weight not exceeding 2040kgs
constructed/adapted that the driving power of the engine can be transmitted to all wheels
must have rigid roof, transverse passenger seats and rear windows amongst other things.
Dual purpose vehicles (when not drawing a trailer) have the speed limits as follows (unless shown as restricted);
motorway 70mph
dual carriageway 70mph
single carriageway 60mph
These speed limits also apply to passenger vehicles and motor caravans when they are not drawing a trailer, not adapted to carry more than 8 passengers and have an unladen weight not exceeding 3050kg.
I have a Ford Ranger Super Cab with backward opening suicide doors and 4wd - I'm still wondering if this counts as 'dual purpose' or not ? Additionally mine is a mark two - the mark one is broadly similar in appearance but DOESN'T have suicide doors, so is only a two door, but with four seats. Confused ?Question
What class of vehicle is a double cab pick up?
Answer
Most double cab pick ups would fall into the class of dual purpose vehicle (examples of a double cab pick up are vehicles such as Mitsubishi Warrior and a Ford Ranger). A dual purpose vehicle is;
constructed/adapted for carriage of both passengers and goods
a vehicle with an unladen weight not exceeding 2040kgs
constructed/adapted that the driving power of the engine can be transmitted to all wheels
must have rigid roof, transverse passenger seats and rear windows amongst other things.
Dual purpose vehicles (when not drawing a trailer) have the speed limits as follows (unless shown as restricted);
motorway 70mph
dual carriageway 70mph
single carriageway 60mph
These speed limits also apply to passenger vehicles and motor caravans when they are not drawing a trailer, not adapted to carry more than 8 passengers and have an unladen weight not exceeding 3050kg.
cologne2792 said:
I have a Ford Ranger Super Cab with backward opening suicide doors and 4wd - I'm still wondering if this counts as 'dual purpose' or not ? Additionally mine is a mark two - the mark one is broadly similar in appearance but DOESN'T have suicide doors, so is only a two door, but with four seats. Confused ?
Provided:-- it is constructed or adapted for the carriage of passengers and goods
- the unladen weight doesn't exceed 2040kg
- it is AWD
then it is a dual purpose vehicle. Number/type of doors are of no relevance. The second part of definition re. rows of seats, windows etc. applies to none AWD vehicles.
Cat
Marti99 said:
R0G said:
I think the Gov link about speed limits has something slightly wrong
It states vehicle not more than 2 TONNES unladen weight but I think that should be 2.040 TONNES because that is the same as the old 2 imperial TONS
The gov site says not more than 2 Tonnes LADEN. It states vehicle not more than 2 TONNES unladen weight but I think that should be 2.040 TONNES because that is the same as the old 2 imperial TONS
Cat said:
cologne2792 said:
I have a Ford Ranger Super Cab with backward opening suicide doors and 4wd - I'm still wondering if this counts as 'dual purpose' or not ? Additionally mine is a mark two - the mark one is broadly similar in appearance but DOESN'T have suicide doors, so is only a two door, but with four seats. Confused ?
Provided:-- it is constructed or adapted for the carriage of passengers and goods
- the unladen weight doesn't exceed 2040kg
- it is AWD
then it is a dual purpose vehicle. Number/type of doors are of no relevance. The second part of definition re. rows of seats, windows etc. applies to none AWD vehicles.
Cat
mph1977 said:
DPVs are inherently 4wd vehicles by virtue of the legal definition, vans with a second row of seats are vans and subject to 50/60/70 if they fdo not meet the definition of car derived van and that would be rather hard.
If you don't know what you're talking about it may be best to keep quiet. The definition of a DPV is below; see the bit after the bold 'or' which includes things like some crew cab vans:-
RVCUR 1986 said:
a vehicle constructed or adapted for the carriage both of passengers and of goods or burden of any description, being a vehicle of which the unladen weight does not exceed 2040 kg, and which either—
(i)is so constructed or adapted that the driving power of the engine is, or by the appropriate use of the controls of the vehicle can be, transmitted to all the wheels of the vehicle;
or
(ii)satisfies the following conditions as to construction, namely—
(a)the vehicle must be permanently fitted with a rigid roof, with or without a sliding panel;
(b)the area of the vehicle to the rear of the driver's seat must—
(i)be permanently fitted with at least one row of transverse seats (fixed or folding) for two or more passengers and those seats must be properly sprung or cushioned and provided with upholstered back-rests, attached either to the seats or to a side or the floor of the vehicle; and
(ii)be lit on each side and at the rear by a window or windows of glass or other transparent material having an area or aggregate area of not less than 1850 square centimetres on each side and not less than 770 square centimetres at the rear; and
(c)the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the back-rests of the row of transverse seats satisfying the requirements specified in head (i) of sub-paragraph (b) (or, if there is more than one such row of seats, the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the back-rests of the rearmost such row) must, when the seats are ready for use, be not less than one-third of the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the rearmost part of the floor of the vehicle.
No need to apologise. (i)is so constructed or adapted that the driving power of the engine is, or by the appropriate use of the controls of the vehicle can be, transmitted to all the wheels of the vehicle;
or
(ii)satisfies the following conditions as to construction, namely—
(a)the vehicle must be permanently fitted with a rigid roof, with or without a sliding panel;
(b)the area of the vehicle to the rear of the driver's seat must—
(i)be permanently fitted with at least one row of transverse seats (fixed or folding) for two or more passengers and those seats must be properly sprung or cushioned and provided with upholstered back-rests, attached either to the seats or to a side or the floor of the vehicle; and
(ii)be lit on each side and at the rear by a window or windows of glass or other transparent material having an area or aggregate area of not less than 1850 square centimetres on each side and not less than 770 square centimetres at the rear; and
(c)the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the back-rests of the row of transverse seats satisfying the requirements specified in head (i) of sub-paragraph (b) (or, if there is more than one such row of seats, the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the back-rests of the rearmost such row) must, when the seats are ready for use, be not less than one-third of the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the rearmost part of the floor of the vehicle.
Cat
This topic regularly comes up on the pickup owners club I belong to. People argue black is white about it mainly because they get MOT's/VED/Speed limit regulations mixed up.
I actually wrote to the DoT to get clarification even though I was 99% certain it was 70mph as so many on the other forum said it wasn't. It's exactly as Cat says it is although some Police forces (Surrey for example) don't seem to realise it.
They actually told me I could only do 70 if the vehicle was taxed as a private vehicle rather than light goods. They decided to consult their notes and said they would call back (which they never did) when I pointed out that it was highly unlikely that the safe operating speed of a vehicle would be determined by how much the owner paid in road tax!
One thing to watch out for though is that there are double cab pickups on the UK market that don't qualify as DPV's. Some specs of the Amorak are too heavy for example.
I actually wrote to the DoT to get clarification even though I was 99% certain it was 70mph as so many on the other forum said it wasn't. It's exactly as Cat says it is although some Police forces (Surrey for example) don't seem to realise it.
They actually told me I could only do 70 if the vehicle was taxed as a private vehicle rather than light goods. They decided to consult their notes and said they would call back (which they never did) when I pointed out that it was highly unlikely that the safe operating speed of a vehicle would be determined by how much the owner paid in road tax!
One thing to watch out for though is that there are double cab pickups on the UK market that don't qualify as DPV's. Some specs of the Amorak are too heavy for example.
Zoobeef said:
standards said:
A vehicle limited to 50/60/70 mph AIUI
I thought so, are Discoverys and range rovers supposed to be doing 50 then? Instead of the 90 they normally do on NSN single carriageway roads.Passenger vehicles not exceeding 3050kg ulw so SC 60, DC 70, Mway 70.
FiF said:
Sigh.
Passenger vehicles not exceeding 3050kg ulw so SC 60, DC 70, Mway 70.
Cheers....knob.Passenger vehicles not exceeding 3050kg ulw so SC 60, DC 70, Mway 70.
On a side note. Am I reading the road traffic regulations act wrong?
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/27/schedu...
As a duel purpose under 2040kg is 70/70/60 then that says a duel purpose over 3050kg is 70/60/50 but struggling to find where it talks about duel purpose between 2040kg and 3050kg.
Edited by Zoobeef on Tuesday 1st July 19:30
Ok you altered your post to define what you're asking.
The situation re Discovery etc is 60, 70, 70.
In the event of a pick up dual purpose vehicle > 2040kg then it's goods vehicle limits. 50, 60, 70.
Because it ceases to be a dual purpose vehicle imo as it no longer meets the definition of such in construction and use regs.
Frankly the rules are no longer fit for purpose imo but my opinion counts for nowt.
The situation re Discovery etc is 60, 70, 70.
In the event of a pick up dual purpose vehicle > 2040kg then it's goods vehicle limits. 50, 60, 70.
Because it ceases to be a dual purpose vehicle imo as it no longer meets the definition of such in construction and use regs.
Frankly the rules are no longer fit for purpose imo but my opinion counts for nowt.
FiF said:
Ok you altered your post to define what you're asking.
The situation re Discovery etc is 60, 70, 70.
In the event of a pick up dual purpose vehicle > 2040kg then it's goods vehicle limits. 50, 60, 70.
Because it ceases to be a dual purpose vehicle imo as it no longer meets the definition of such in construction and use regs.
Frankly the rules are no longer fit for purpose imo but my opinion counts for nowt.
Many thanks.The situation re Discovery etc is 60, 70, 70.
In the event of a pick up dual purpose vehicle > 2040kg then it's goods vehicle limits. 50, 60, 70.
Because it ceases to be a dual purpose vehicle imo as it no longer meets the definition of such in construction and use regs.
Frankly the rules are no longer fit for purpose imo but my opinion counts for nowt.
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