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If your neighbour is tech savvy enough then enable MAC filtering on the router.
It means that only pre-approved devices can access the WiFi.
So unless someone has put the MAC address of the device into the router they won't be able to connect to it even if they have the correct WiFi password.
It means that only pre-approved devices can access the WiFi.
So unless someone has put the MAC address of the device into the router they won't be able to connect to it even if they have the correct WiFi password.
Devil2575 said:
someone has been streaming data in the early hours of the morning although they refused to tell him what it was.
He has been told he is liable and as such is going to pay.
surely if he is liable, he is entitled to know what has been streamed using his wifi? IANAL but that doesn't seem right to me.He has been told he is liable and as such is going to pay.
it's like people who phone the house number then don't want to tell me who they are working for as I'm not the person who the call is for. My house, my phone line, I think I can expect to find out the name of the company using it, how is that breaking the DPA that they try and hide behind?
If they expect him to pay they should give him the details.
jesta1865 said:
surely if he is liable, he is entitled to know what has been streamed using his wifi? IANAL but that doesn't seem right to me.
it's like people who phone the house number then don't want to tell me who they are working for as I'm not the person who the call is for. My house, my phone line, I think I can expect to find out the name of the company using it, how is that breaking the DPA that they try and hide behind?
If they expect him to pay they should give him the details.
As per my post, it's not always possible to see exactly what people are doing with their connection.it's like people who phone the house number then don't want to tell me who they are working for as I'm not the person who the call is for. My house, my phone line, I think I can expect to find out the name of the company using it, how is that breaking the DPA that they try and hide behind?
If they expect him to pay they should give him the details.
Most ISPs will only be able to view how much data was used in a period but aren't able to break it down to what specifically was used (e.g 1GB on Youtube, 200mb on emails)
They will have a counter showing the OPs neighbour has over used and that's all they need.
Retroman said:
jesta1865 said:
surely if he is liable, he is entitled to know what has been streamed using his wifi? IANAL but that doesn't seem right to me.
it's like people who phone the house number then don't want to tell me who they are working for as I'm not the person who the call is for. My house, my phone line, I think I can expect to find out the name of the company using it, how is that breaking the DPA that they try and hide behind?
If they expect him to pay they should give him the details.
As per my post, it's not always possible to see exactly what people are doing with their connection.it's like people who phone the house number then don't want to tell me who they are working for as I'm not the person who the call is for. My house, my phone line, I think I can expect to find out the name of the company using it, how is that breaking the DPA that they try and hide behind?
If they expect him to pay they should give him the details.
Most ISPs will only be able to view how much data was used in a period but aren't able to break it down to what specifically was used (e.g 1GB on Youtube, 200mb on emails)
They will have a counter showing the OPs neighbour has over used and that's all they need.
plus, the isp's are now being asked to scan for illegal activity, yes it's a pain and it will slow stuff down a bit, but it's possible.
jesta1865 said:
i understand that, although I'm at a loss as to why, when I can see what people have been doing through my firewalls etc, it was the fact that he used the word refused, as opposed to can't as we don't monitor it.
It's because of IP masquerading and Network Address Translation (NAT). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_trans...Your internal network (including any wireless devices) appears as a single 'IP address' to the outside world. Your router is responsible for keeping track of which internal IP address incoming messages have to be sent to, but the outside world (and your ISP) won't be able to determine any of that.
silentbrown said:
jesta1865 said:
i understand that, although I'm at a loss as to why, when I can see what people have been doing through my firewalls etc, it was the fact that he used the word refused, as opposed to can't as we don't monitor it.
It's because of IP masquerading and Network Address Translation (NAT). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_trans...Your internal network (including any wireless devices) appears as a single 'IP address' to the outside world. Your router is responsible for keeping track of which internal IP address incoming messages have to be sent to, but the outside world (and your ISP) won't be able to determine any of that.
Du1point8 said:
Hence the reason why all torrent using folk are not instantly barred from using broadband, you can't tell what they are down loading unless its a tracked torrent.
Not at all. Your ISP can still see which sites you're sending/receiving data from, and - usually - the type of service being accessed (web pages, email, ftp, torrent).Use of torrents isn't banned because they're not inherently illegal. It would be like blocking the whole web because some pages contain hooky content.
silentbrown said:
jesta1865 said:
i understand that, although I'm at a loss as to why, when I can see what people have been doing through my firewalls etc, it was the fact that he used the word refused, as opposed to can't as we don't monitor it.
It's because of IP masquerading and Network Address Translation (NAT). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_trans...Your internal network (including any wireless devices) appears as a single 'IP address' to the outside world. Your router is responsible for keeping track of which internal IP address incoming messages have to be sent to, but the outside world (and your ISP) won't be able to determine any of that.
silentbrown said:
Du1point8 said:
Hence the reason why all torrent using folk are not instantly barred from using broadband, you can't tell what they are down loading unless its a tracked torrent.
Not at all. Your ISP can still see which sites you're sending/receiving data from, and - usually - the type of service being accessed (web pages, email, ftp, torrent).Use of torrents isn't banned because they're not inherently illegal. It would be like blocking the whole web because some pages contain hooky content.
also my initial point was that we were told by the OP that they refused to tell him not that they couldn't tell him.
if they expect him to pay, he can reasonably expect the proof that the data was transmitted and who to.
i wasn't talking about a home router but the way.
jesta1865 said:
we were told by the OP that they refused to tell him not that they couldn't tell him.
You're reading too much into one word. A refusal just means saying "no". As I keep sayng, the primary reason for the refusal is that the ISP won't have the dat in the first place. ISP knows nothing about wifi, or the computers connected downstream of the router. They just see traffic between router and ISP, but have no way of telling where the data gets sent once it reaches the home router.silentbrown said:
Du1point8 said:
Hence the reason why all torrent using folk are not instantly barred from using broadband, you can't tell what they are down loading unless its a tracked torrent.
Not at all. Your ISP can still see which sites you're sending/receiving data from, and - usually - the type of service being accessed (web pages, email, ftp, torrent).Use of torrents isn't banned because they're not inherently illegal. It would be like blocking the whole web because some pages contain hooky content.
silentbrown said:
jesta1865 said:
we were told by the OP that they refused to tell him not that they couldn't tell him.
You're reading too much into one word. A refusal just means saying "no". As I keep sayng, the primary reason for the refusal is that the ISP won't have the dat in the first place. ISP knows nothing about wifi, or the computers connected downstream of the router. They just see traffic between router and ISP, but have no way of telling where the data gets sent once it reaches the home router.Vaud said:
And torrenting technology is a way that some games and software is legally distributed as it reduces infrastructure needed for large scale hosting and fits certain use cases.
I believe it was also essentially what powered iPlayer at one point - any time you were watching something you were also uploading the earlier parts to the next batch of viewers, greatly reducing the demand upon the BBC servers.Randomthoughts said:
Rather concerning is that someone has access to (I'm guessing from the language used) business/enterprise firewall devices, but doesn't understand why the ISP won't be able to determine what device on a NATed network was using data.
i didn't say they could tell him which device, i said they should be able to tell him what has been accessed by his account, yet they tell him they can't or won't.i don't think at any time i have said that they could tell him who's downloaded / accessed what, i have re-read my posts in case i did by accident.
plus, as they are my firewalls, and internal to the link to our isp I could see what each account is accessing, my set-up at work will be different to the isp's.
Edited by jesta1865 on Tuesday 18th November 16:11
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