Crappy Motorway Policing
Discussion
trev r said:
So. If a marked car is doing 70 mph on the inside lane of a m/way with a queue of cars behind it, is the best advice available to simply join the queue until the marked car pulls off the m/way?
Then increase speed to the usual totally safe 85 mph?
What is the point of "pretending" 70 mph is the correct speed by not overtaking the marked car? Is it just to show respect to the police? Everyone knows 70 mph is way too slow, especially at night when the roads are quite empty.
Its not pretending
ITS THE LAW!!!autismuk said:
Because a whole bunch of frustrated drivers staked up at 69.5mph is sooo much safer than normal free flowing traffic.
My pet hate.
From my POV, it is incredibly dangerous ; not only does traffic bunch up, but because everyone is more or less going at the same speed it's very difficult to make space to perform maneouvres.
What do trafpol think ?
I think thats Bollocks!
What manouvres do you want to perform?
Triple Toe loop?
gone said:
So. Having identified the car as a police car and then dismissing the fact it is not a Traffic car, you decide to ignore the uniform presence and exceed the limit to get past him!
I was overtaking the officer that was doign 65-67 at 70 MPH
It was during that overtake that the officer started to speed up to match my speed
What the officer did was done by no provocation, there was no lawbraking taking place until the officer started to "race" me in order to prevent me from overtaking...
...LEGALLY AT THE SPEED LIMIT!!!!
Just making things a little easier to read
Does the highway code not state that the car being overtaken must allow the overtaking car to pull in, and I also belive that any attempt to do so otherwise is racing.
Edited to remove pointless angry comment
>> Edited by gh0st on Monday 7th February 16:10
FWIW, whenever I see a TrafPol I immediately ensure that I am not excedding the speed limit. I don't mean I'll do ACPO guidelines, I mean I will be sat at the limit (assuming safe).
People who overtake TrafPol who is sat at the limit is, IMV, simply asking for a tug and a nose round their car.
I just don't understand why people do it.
People who overtake TrafPol who is sat at the limit is, IMV, simply asking for a tug and a nose round their car.
I just don't understand why people do it.
gh0st said:
gone said:
Would any of you purposely creep past a camera van at just a few miles over the limit?
No I thought not!
At up to 79mph in a 70mph why not?
Challenge it and the CPS probably wont wish to persue...
they proseucted me for 77 in a 70 in north wales
Did you fight it in court?
ca092003 said:
Plotloss said:
gone said:
Would any of you purposely creep past a camera van at just a few miles over the limit?
No I thought not!
At up to 79mph in a 70mph why not?
Challenge it and the CPS probably wont wish to persue...
Did you fight it in court?
No.
I didnt know how the system worked back then. In fact it was that north wales speeding fine that got me to learn about all the countermeasures and I have hypothetically countermeasured 6-7 traps as a result since then, so it has saved my career 10 times over.
Now had a traffic officer had pulled me over and said "keep your speed down a bit laddy", that probably would have made me think about what I was doing NOT "you play your sneaky little game, I will play mine
" 
Plotloss said:
Seems odd when ACPO suggest that +10%+2mph should be the threshold.
Many people have challenged and got it dropped on that basis.
Thats ACPO Guidelines to officers for reporting of speeding offences. It is not the law, just advice. The law is the limit that is set. Exceed it by a margin in excess of that limit and you risk penalty regardless of what ACPO state!
gone said:
At up to 79mph in a 70mph why not?
Challenge it and the CPS probably wont wish to persue...
Are you going to take that risk?
If you are, then you are extremely foolish!
Surely though they dont make the judgement about what gets passed for prosecution in the van at the time?
Is there not some software that runs through the days bag and presents the ones over the threshold and ignores the ones under?
I would like to think so anyway...
Gone,
I read and fully comprehended what ghOst had written. The BIB was A) below the legal limit. B) then undertook to race a member of the public (without "blues" in order to "block off" a driver whose only "crime" was to overtake the Panda at a LEGAL speed. God help anyone stopped by such a self rightous plonker as yourself.
I read and fully comprehended what ghOst had written. The BIB was A) below the legal limit. B) then undertook to race a member of the public (without "blues" in order to "block off" a driver whose only "crime" was to overtake the Panda at a LEGAL speed. God help anyone stopped by such a self rightous plonker as yourself.
gone said:
Seems odd when ACPO suggest that +10%+2mph should be the threshold.
Many people have challenged and got it dropped on that basis.
Thats ACPO Guidelines to officers for reporting of speeding offences. It is not the law, just advice. The law is the limit that is set. Exceed it by a margin in excess of that limit and you risk penalty regardless of what ACPO state!
So what is the point of guidelines if the safety partnerships ignore them
Who is correct ACPO or a bloke in a van?
Its makes a mockery of the entire justice system if there is no hard truth. The CPS desperately want their to be one and is the reason that they are reluctant to persue under the guidelines...
gh0st said:
I was overtaking the officer that was doign 65-67 at 70 MPH
It was during that overtake that the officer started to speed up to match my speed
What the officer did was done by no provocation, there was no lawbraking taking place until the officer started to "race" me in order to prevent me from overtaking...
...LEGALLY AT THE SPEED LIMIT!!!!
I was referring to the first post and the author of that post
Mk6fiesta said:
When I got level with the BiB it was clear to see that it wasnt even a TrafPol, just a Panda car. So I stick to just under 80mph on speedo (75mph in reality), get by him, and settle down in Lane 1 at 70ish.
GhOst said:
Just making things a little easier to read
Why?
GhOst said:
Does the highway code not state that the car being overtaken must allow the overtaking car to pull in, and I also belive that any attempt to do so otherwise is racing.
It does. It also places responsibilities on the person doing the overtaking! Maybe you should refresh your memory
! GhOst said:
Edited to remove pointless angry comment
I have broad shoulders
gone said:
Would any of you purposely creep past a camera van at just a few miles over the limit?
No I thought not!
Yes thanks, 10% over.
In fact fixed speed cameras are an ideal overtking opportunity - numpty slows down to 10mph below limit, I cruise by at 10% over.
After a couple of chats about what ignites a smouldering trafpol, I avoid doing anything in front of a marked car that might appear to be taking the pi$$, however.
telecat said:
Gone,
I read and fully comprehended what ghOst had written. The BIB was A) below the legal limit. B) then undertook to race a member of the public (without "blues" in order to "block off" a driver whose only "crime" was to overtake the Panda at a LEGAL speed. God help anyone stopped by such a self rightous plonker as yourself.
Read the first post by the author of the thread!
Nice to see you refrain from abusive comments!
Bet you wouldn't say it to my face!!!
einion yrth said:
Turns out you were commenting on something I hadn`t read. Mea culpa and I guess I owe you an apology, although with the position of your post it was an easy mistake to make. (and you do tend to come across as a tad self righteous from time to time, sorry.)
! Accepted Didn't someone once say "I am the word and the word is law"
! What do you expect from someone who's position is to uphold the law.
All I try to do is put a different perspective on some of the opinions and experiences suffered by those that contribute to this site. I reserve the right to remain self righteous when I am posting on anything to do with the law and driving because that is my job. I have studued long and hard to get my qualifications and I have been doing it for nearly 1/4 of a century!
I would not post self righteous posts on stuff I know nothing about. In fact I don't even bother posting on stuff I know nothing about because other than an opinion (which I am entitled to have in any case) I know nothing about it!
I accept that others have opinions but what I post is basically the truth and is right as is the stuff DVD posts but he is not wuite so colourful with his explanations or controversial with his views (or if he is he keeps them to himself
) Many opinions posted on this site (Speeding Plod and the law) are about stuff which the author knows little about but has heard rumours down the pub!!!
>> Edited by gone on Monday 7th February 17:17
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