Goodbye, Goodluck and Farewell....................
Discussion
AlexH said:
I don't expect any posts of 'Stay and contribute'..(not that there would be any.. ) but simply a polite message in case anybody wonders where I have gone.
I'm sure I'll speak for alot of people by saying that all contributions from BiB are always valued here (even if we don't always agree!)and so its a shame to lose any BiB from the forums, but I am somewhat bemused (despite the reasons you've given) that any PHer could ever consider working for a 'SCP'. I'm sure we could have a whip-round for a little bit of therapy and mental re-conditioning...
I've been away all day so I haven't caught up with things here, but I certainly agree with you Alex.
Our police friends are a great asset here, even if some of us (including me) strongly disagree with some of them at times.
I must say I'm very disappointed that Gary is joining the SCP gang, as I feel that much more good can be done by having Trafpol around rather than the camera regimes.
Best wishes Gary, and everyone,
Dave.
dazren said:
and how the majority of PH'ers don't seem to be interested in aquiring a 'contact' on the 'inside' so to speak...
GARY
What would having a contact on the inside do for PHers? What is there for us to learn from a scameraship insider. You're hardly going to tell us what detectors or jammers work best!
In the past, you've told us that scamera operators are directed where to park the van up and what limits to apply with the scameras. Recently you told us that you are happy to zap away at ACPO guidlines of 10%+2 when in the scameravan, whilst a while ago you said you don't pull over people on motorways unless they are driving like a tt or doing 90+. How do explain this? to me it looks like you've just taking an easier life damning the rest of us.
You posted that when working for the scameraship you will be earning the same pay, without shiftwork, threat to personal safety, dealing with the lowlife that regular police officers have to put up with. I find this particularly disturbing. I can understand for you and your family this is a marvellous opportunity, both monetarily (overtime etc)and time with the children etc. To me, the idea that scameraships can poach serving traffic officers off the roads and stick them in scamera vans at the same level of pay makes me puke.
DAZ
A total and utter waste of your training and your time.
Cant see it lasting. It will get you down with the abuse, the monotony, and the fact that unless there is something very wrong with you - there will be next to no satisfaction.
Ho-hum. By the time youve had enough of the abuse of Joe public, the battering of sharp law hacks in court, and the rest of the "perks of the job", im sure someone else will have applied and been acepted for your old job.
You obviously cannot be committed to road safety if this is your (even temp) direction of career.
And if it is you operating those bloody camera vans in Hertfordshire (which it "possibly" may be), or anywhere else, try putting it outside the school when their are actually kids in the vicinity eh?
I would wish you good luck, but that would be a lie, so I wish you none. TTFN
Cant see it lasting. It will get you down with the abuse, the monotony, and the fact that unless there is something very wrong with you - there will be next to no satisfaction.
Ho-hum. By the time youve had enough of the abuse of Joe public, the battering of sharp law hacks in court, and the rest of the "perks of the job", im sure someone else will have applied and been acepted for your old job.
You obviously cannot be committed to road safety if this is your (even temp) direction of career.
And if it is you operating those bloody camera vans in Hertfordshire (which it "possibly" may be), or anywhere else, try putting it outside the school when their are actually kids in the vicinity eh?
I would wish you good luck, but that would be a lie, so I wish you none. TTFN
Interesting.
So a few days ago Streetcop posts a message about Cheshire Police closing their Traffic Dept.
Now we find that a trained TO with Fatal Accident Investigation experience is being encouraged to go and sit in the back of a scamera van with the potential to earn more money, with overtime presumably being paid fairly promptly from cash flow, in order to point a video camera at all the passing vehicles.
Local policing seems to be the function of CSO's and the volunteers that run the Police Shop in the village (part time) these days. Our assigned beat man seems to have spent most of his time in recent months off somewhere else training up some new people.
Maybe the Police Service will be outsourced to a call centre in some other part of the world. Probably why it is no longer called a force.
Streetcop is, of course, entitled to go an do whatever he chooses as his discretion. Has he seen a light somewhere I wonder? Does he have inside information that suggests making good fincancially while he can.
Is this a case of a Black Rat leaving a sinking ship?
Hope not. I would hate to think of the law in this land being run self funding businesses authorised to perform legalised robbery and blackmail. Or at least the remaining parts of the legal system that do not already operate that way.
So a few days ago Streetcop posts a message about Cheshire Police closing their Traffic Dept.
Now we find that a trained TO with Fatal Accident Investigation experience is being encouraged to go and sit in the back of a scamera van with the potential to earn more money, with overtime presumably being paid fairly promptly from cash flow, in order to point a video camera at all the passing vehicles.
Local policing seems to be the function of CSO's and the volunteers that run the Police Shop in the village (part time) these days. Our assigned beat man seems to have spent most of his time in recent months off somewhere else training up some new people.
Maybe the Police Service will be outsourced to a call centre in some other part of the world. Probably why it is no longer called a force.
Streetcop is, of course, entitled to go an do whatever he chooses as his discretion. Has he seen a light somewhere I wonder? Does he have inside information that suggests making good fincancially while he can.
Is this a case of a Black Rat leaving a sinking ship?
Hope not. I would hate to think of the law in this land being run self funding businesses authorised to perform legalised robbery and blackmail. Or at least the remaining parts of the legal system that do not already operate that way.
Well we are truly up.
We are losing a valuable member of society and someone who actually makes a difference as a road cop to the sinister Dark Side.
I can understand wanting to earn a good living, but to sell out and join THEM when you know full well the resources they are soaking up and taking away from the real fight for the prevention of crashes, to join their lies and misinformation is very misguided or illjudged.
Im pissed off at the govt that SC feels the need to leave the police. Clearly the job has become almost intolerable and perhaps the fight is being lost. God help us all.
One of the first signs of of a cancer is when the body turns on itself - What is this government doing to us ? Who will be there when the likes of SC (and pehpas Mungo) get fed up with the government crap they have to put up with to do their job of protecting us.
Sincerely a bad day for us all.
>> Edited by superlightr on Wednesday 6th April 21:45
up. We are losing a valuable member of society and someone who actually makes a difference as a road cop to the sinister Dark Side.
I can understand wanting to earn a good living, but to sell out and join THEM when you know full well the resources they are soaking up and taking away from the real fight for the prevention of crashes, to join their lies and misinformation is very misguided or illjudged.
Im pissed off at the govt that SC feels the need to leave the police. Clearly the job has become almost intolerable and perhaps the fight is being lost. God help us all.
One of the first signs of of a cancer is when the body turns on itself - What is this government doing to us ? Who will be there when the likes of SC (and pehpas Mungo) get fed up with the government crap they have to put up with to do their job of protecting us.
Sincerely a bad day for us all.
>> Edited by superlightr on Wednesday 6th April 21:45
I have always valued your posts and help you have offered folks on here.
But I do think that it is a seriously fukced up world when someone with all your training goes and does a job that a civilian off the street could manage simply enough.
What a waste of all our taxes. Not your fault, its just the whole country going down the pan...
>> Edited by SpudGunner on Wednesday 6th April 22:18
But I do think that it is a seriously fukced up world when someone with all your training goes and does a job that a civilian off the street could manage simply enough.
What a waste of all our taxes. Not your fault, its just the whole country going down the pan...
>> Edited by SpudGunner on Wednesday 6th April 22:18
I am presuming on behalf of SC here but would anticipate that the move to the camera job is a 'posting' type move, and as a result generally only something that is open for a couple of years, enabling him to return to frontline policing at a later date. Or indeed maybe it is a 'secondment' from the road policing department thereby keeping his place open on his group however, I doubt it as there would be an open space on the group which would need filling to make the group operationally effective.
With the group I currently look after we are too short to send officers onto other departments, but I have known it happen.
My views are quite open about cameras - but this isn't about my views, Gary has decided to go for that option and that's that. I think it is a strange choice for him to make, but won't judge him on it. As stated earler, it does take all sorts and wish him all the best.
With the group I currently look after we are too short to send officers onto other departments, but I have known it happen.
My views are quite open about cameras - but this isn't about my views, Gary has decided to go for that option and that's that. I think it is a strange choice for him to make, but won't judge him on it. As stated earler, it does take all sorts and wish him all the best.
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