RE: Controversial road safety law falls
Discussion
BliarOut said:
Mudflap said:
Great news. Just got to get BLiar and his cronies out now. .
No, we don't.
And I shall of course be voting for them again on the 5th of May.
I'm not going to let the economy wrecking evil tories in if I can help it.
Funniest post I've read in ages
Strangely, an awful lot of my friends in the city will be doing the same.
Some people seem to have managed to convince themselves that the tories did not run the economy terribly. Those who actually deal with macroeconomics seem to see it differently.
Fortunately, we are currently in the majority. Blinkered folks like you are outnumbered, so can no do too much harm with your crackpot ideas.
Bryan35 said:
Friend of mine worked 'photographic unit' bit of the police force when cameras were first introduced. An example of how cameras were used was that very few had film in them at all, and one that did which resided in a 40MPH zone was set to trigger at 60MPH.
The cameras therefore caught the people that the police were after. HOWEVER since labour got in speed limits had dropped, talivans have appeared, and SCP have ben set up.
They weren't about money in the beginning!
The very first gatso was set up to catch 100mph+ in a 30 merchants who then fell off the island at the bend just up the road.
Since then the whole thing has become so discredited, and the official scientific analysis equally discredited that the only option imho is to pull every single camera out by the roots and put them on a huge bonfire and
GO BACK TO BASICS! Organic as opposed to electronic enforcement.
NorthernBoy said:Differently to Treasury mandarins then, who told Labour in 1997 that the Tories had left them a golden economic legacy.
Some people seem to have managed to convince themselves that the tories did not run the economy terribly. Those who actually deal with macroeconomics seem to see it differently.
As for the Bill failing, the roadside gestapo tactics went through as an amendment to, er, was it the Crime and Disorder Bill? Anyway at least radar detectors are still legal. For the time being.
turbobloke said:
Differently to Treasury mandarins then, who told Labour in 1997 that the Tories had left them a golden economic legacy.
That was eight years ago.
Do you disagree, then, that the world has been through a recession since then, that we pretty much sailed through unscathed?
Do you think the US, japan, or ggermany have been doing better than us for the last three or four years?
Or can you perhaps bring yourself to admit that, for whatever reason, this little island has been quietly outperforming most of the globe in recent times, beaten only by places which are starting from extremely low levels.
NorthernBoy said:And all that's happened since is that greedy gordon handed interest rates to a competent committee and left things very much as-is. He's also financing this country's economy partly on the back of substantial corporate and individual debt. In The Times a week back a well qualified and well educated medical professional warned the government about the 'sullen majority' being fed up (taxes, control freakery, incompetence, etc etc etc )and warned 'back off' Watch this space.
Differently to Treasury mandarins then, who told Labour in 1997 that the Tories had left them a golden economic legacy.
That was eight years ago.
turbobloke said:
Watch this space.
I will. If I thought you'd pay up (unlikely as neither of us know who the other is), I'd happily bet you a decent sum that Labour will be returned to government with a good majority. Better than betting with me, if you really think the tories wilwin, I recommend that you take the 10-1 that batfair afe offfering.
NorthernBoy said:
turbobloke said:
Differently to Treasury mandarins then, who told Labour in 1997 that the Tories had left them a golden economic legacy.
That was eight years ago.
Do you disagree, then, that the world has been through a recession since then, that we pretty much sailed through unscathed?
Do you think the US, japan, or ggermany have been doing better than us for the last three or four years?
Or can you perhaps bring yourself to admit that, for whatever reason, this little island has been quietly outperforming most of the globe in recent times, beaten only by places which are starting from extremely low levels.
That was a Nu Labia Election broadcast brought to you courtesey of NorthernBoy.
Some people only see what they wanna see.
History IS repeating itself. Remember how the Tories got in and things seemed to be going ok? Then the truth. Recession, unemployment, unfair taxes and denial of any problems all the way to the rotten bottom of the barrel.
The very same shite is happening right here and now.
Labours been in TOO long and gotten TOO BIG for its breeches. Denying any problems exist, relying on spin and manipulation to appease its critics (even sponsoring the murder of some i reckon- David Kelly anyone?),stealth tax rises for all its worth, persuing PC objectives to the detriment of good old fashioned common sense, ballot rigging, gerrymandering. massaging unemployment recording methods, involement in illegal wars...blah blah blah.
Since this lot got in we've never had it so bad, never had so much tax stolen from us, never had so many new laws imposed on us, never had so much liberty removed from us, never had so many illegals allowed in, never had so much corruption present....i could go on but Bliar the Liar's record speaks for itself: Its a F
ing disgrace- You vote for that and you deserve everything youll get. But hey! Each to his own, its your screwed up future your messing with and Bliar wont lose a seconds worth of sleep over you or any of Rover's workers losing their jobs under his "reign".
Turkeys dont vote for Xmas; Dont be a Turkey!
>> Edited by DeltaFox on Sunday 10th April 12:40
NorthernBoy said:
Differently to Treasury mandarins then, who told Labour in 1997 that the Tories had left them a golden economic legacy.
That was eight years ago.
Do you disagree, then, that the world has been through a recession since then, that we pretty much sailed through unscathed?
Do you think the US, japan, or ggermany have been doing better than us for the last three or four years?
Or can you perhaps bring yourself to admit that, for whatever reason, this little island has been quietly outperforming most of the globe in recent times, beaten only by places which are starting from extremely low levels.
The majority of our so-called 'economic growth' has been in the public sector. Think about what that means!
Even Gordon Brown now admits that we have 200,000 (from memory) excess public servants.
Think about it. Not only is this sort of 'growth' illusionary, it's also utterly unsustainable. And when it's put right it'll show as recession.
NorthernBoy said:On another thread, maybe this one, I already noted that I have a decent bet that Michael Howard will be PM on May 6th. I don't think that either of us, realistically, know who will win. Each of us knows who we want to win, which colours our posts.
Better than betting with me, if you really think the tories wilwin, I recommend that you take the 10-1 that batfair afe offfering.
When polls are examined, all voters (about 1005 of them, never convinced by this though I've seen the theory) say Labour has a two or three point lead, to be amplified by their manipulation of boundaries. Though that's offset by the fact that in the past, the Tory share of the vote has been 8 points higher than pre-election polls.
When those who are certain to vote are polled, the Conservatives have a five point lead or thereabouts. Don't be too smug Northernboy, neither of us really knows who will win...unless you're hinting at the Labour Party's successful 'use' of the estimated 7 million postal ballots, as seen in, er, the north and the midlands recently
safespeed said:
turbobloke said:
Differently to Treasury mandarins then, who told Labour in 1997 that the Tories had left them a golden economic legacy.
That was eight years ago.
Do you disagree, then, that the world has been through a recession since then, that we pretty much sailed through unscathed?
Do you think the US, japan, or ggermany have been doing better than us for the last three or four years?
Or can you perhaps bring yourself to admit that, for whatever reason, this little island has been quietly outperforming most of the globe in recent times, beaten only by places which are starting from extremely low levels.
The majority of our so-called 'economic growth' has been in the public sector. Think about what that means!
Even Gordon Brown now admits that we have 200,000 (from memory) excess public servants.
Think about it. Not only is this sort of 'growth' illusionary, it's also utterly unsustainable. And when it's put right it'll show as recession.
Quite, and thanks to Labour, some government (well, the people actually) in the future is going to have to fund the index-linked pensions of those excess 200,000 public servants.
sorry 
NorthernBoy said:
That was eight years ago.
Do you disagree, then, that the world has been through a recession since then, that we pretty much sailed through unscathed?
Do you think the US, japan, or ggermany have been doing better than us for the last three or four years?
Or can you perhaps bring yourself to admit that, for whatever reason, this little island has been quietly outperforming most of the globe in recent times, beaten only by places which are starting from extremely low levels.
It has but it is not substainable. Brown is from the classic Labour mould and isn't New Labour - part of the reason he is not PM. He is however, not stupid. He policies are not that different from previous labour treasury policies. The so called "growth" has come almost exclusive from public sector investment - with now 1 in 4 people employed in non productive "public sector" jobs - paid for by every increasing taxes. Far more seriously is that he has borrowed from the future - £5 Billion from utilities, £26 billion from mobile phone operators and £5 billion a year from YOUR pension fund. People will be paying the cost of the current "growth" for decades to come.
He has done some smart things - the best is to recognise as a MOP he has no qualifications in running the economy and passing control of interest rates to the Bank of England - The more cautious and not politically motivated moves in interest rates has given many the feeling of stability and the confidence to borrow more money. Now topping £1 trillion pounds - this spending all drives the so called growth.
If you really believe you are better off over the last 8 years then you either have a) increased your borrowing to make you feel richer b) cashed in / feel richer due to house price increases (supply and demand not govenment policy) or c) are living on benefits.
Everyone else is seeing every increasing amounts of money being taken from them - year on year.
Brown now has another £10 Billion to find to keep the bubble going - if he gets back in - we are all in for a tough few years.
Read this and weep.
www.adamsmith.org/tax/short-history.php
Labour get in again these really will seem like the good old days.
Although to some extent whoever gets in this country is in for a drubbing in the medium term, that is apart from some jumped up bookies clerk type monkeys.
www.adamsmith.org/tax/short-history.php
Labour get in again these really will seem like the good old days.
Although to some extent whoever gets in this country is in for a drubbing in the medium term, that is apart from some jumped up bookies clerk type monkeys.
S Works said:
Well I'm not planning on voting for any of those idiots so that won't matter.
Glad to see the back of this... for a while at least
Dont be a fool have your say thats why the t
ts have such power over us, trust me the nutcases will out voting for more speed cameras more fukin people from other countries before we know england will be a nation of foriegn nutters travelling about at 10mphSgt^Roc said:
Well I'm not planning on voting for any of those idiots so that won't matter.
Glad to see the back of this... for a while at least
Dont be a fool have your say thats why the t
Don't get me wrong fella, I'll vote. But you can be 100% sure it won't be for either of the above mentioned.
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