107 mph on the M1

[supraman2954]

-DeaDLocK- said:

supraman2954 said: Really? I thought under-reading speedos are a big no-no? The speedo is over-reading, not under-reading. Culprit was caught at 107mph, and in a Ford, the speedo was no doubt indicating well in excess of 110mph. You're right - speedos don't under-read - you just used the wrong terminology to describe an over-reading speedo in this case.

didn't read Hampsters post properly.

[tonyhetherington]

I try to look at it from a 'punishment' point of view. The logic behind it will be that she's had 6 points, and that's not deterred her from doing these very high speeds. So, having been caught again, she is certain to get a ban. Remember WHY people are penalised (i.e. as a deterrent*) and it starts to explain a little clearer what she might expect. The judges logic will be that if we can inconvenience her for 2weeks, 1 month etc, then that will hopefully stop her doing it again.

She is, almost, certain of a ban and as such should start thinking how she's going to get around. Bicycle/public transport etc should be looked at as, it's highly likely, she'll walk out the court room not being able to drive home.



*Let's not get into the pros/cons of speed limit enforcement.

[miniandy]

Broccers said:

I'll have a look for iolaires thead ..... edit - cant find the thread - do you have a link?

here you go - you'll need to read through and look for IOLAIREs advice, at about page 5 we find out the outcome.

www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=141324&f=10&h=0

Cheers

[Broccers]

tonyhetherington said:

I try to look at it from a 'punishment' point of view. The logic behind it will be that she's had 6 points, and that's not deterred her from doing these very high speeds. So, having been caught again, she is certain to get a ban. Remember WHY people are penalised (i.e. as a deterrent*) and it starts to explain a little clearer what she might expect. The judges logic will be that if we can inconvenience her for 2weeks, 1 month etc, then that will hopefully stop her doing it again. She is, almost, certain of a ban and as such should start thinking how she's going to get around. Bicycle/public transport etc should be looked at as, it's highly likely, she'll walk out the court room not being able to drive home. *Let's not get into the pros/cons of speed limit enforcement.

Thanks.

Look, Im not really interested in the morals, rights or wrongs etc. 107 mph has never been a very high speed either, nor do you know what the 6 points were for.

Cheers again for the helpful assistance.

I remember a time when this forum didnt have the 'preachers'.

So if there are anymore of you please dont reply. Im looking for positive advice to help someone through a possibly bad situation.

[Broccers]

miniandy said:

here you go - you'll need to read through and look for IOLAIREs advice, at about page 5 we find out the outcome. www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=141324&f=10&h=0 Cheers

Now you are the kind of PH I was hoping Id find - thanks a lot.

[miniandy]

Broccers said:

Now you are the kind of PH I was hoping Id find - thanks a lot.

Anytime Like the car by the way!

[tonyhetherington]

Were you having a go at my reply or thanking me for it, I didn't quite understand. It was a genuine, and non-sarcastic one (what you were hoping for, right?)

[funkyrobot]

Broccers said:

tonyhetherington said: I try to look at it from a 'punishment' point of view. The logic behind it will be that she's had 6 points, and that's not deterred her from doing these very high speeds. So, having been caught again, she is certain to get a ban. Remember WHY people are penalised (i.e. as a deterrent*) and it starts to explain a little clearer what she might expect. The judges logic will be that if we can inconvenience her for 2weeks, 1 month etc, then that will hopefully stop her doing it again. She is, almost, certain of a ban and as such should start thinking how she's going to get around. Bicycle/public transport etc should be looked at as, it's highly likely, she'll walk out the court room not being able to drive home. *Let's not get into the pros/cons of speed limit enforcement. Thanks. Look, Im not really interested in the morals, rights or wrongs etc. 107 mph has never been a very high speed either, nor do you know what the 6 points were for. Cheers again for the helpful assistance. I remember a time when this forum didnt have the 'preachers'. So if there are anymore of you please dont reply. Im looking for positive advice to help someone through a possibly bad situation.

107mph never been a very high speed??? What the hell are you on??

I think a ban is what she deserves, if she is caught at 107mph she is clearly unsafe to be on the road. Maybe she should have learned her lesson the previous times she has been caught!

[Broccers]

funkyrobot said:

107mph never been a very high speed???

Sorry you drive a 110 diesel VW - in your world that would be high speed.

and Tony has 'no car'.

Cheers.

[deeen]

funkyrobot said:

107mph never been a very high speed??? What the hell are you on?? I think a ban is what she deserves, if she is caught at 107mph she is clearly unsafe to be on the road. Maybe she should have learned her lesson the previous times she has been caught!

You forgot to say "think of the children"

[Broccers]

miniandy said:

Anytime Like the car by the way!

Thanks - I'll try not to drive it too fast.

[rawstrona]

Broccers

my brother got caught doing 103 mph down M6 one sunday morning, light traffic, dry and sunny.
He had no points on his licence, went to court, hired reputable solicitor, apparently judges can be sometimes more lenient if you show effort in getting legal representation !!!! He pleaded requirement of his car because he works 20 miles away and that it was a new car and he wasnt used to the power (ehhem !).
Came out with 6 points and £500 fine.
So there is hope ! could pin on what the previous 6 points are for ?
good luck

[tonyhetherington]

Broccers said:

and Tony has 'no car'

I'm a bit shocked by you really. Can't quite understand what you're after, and what my searching for a car has anything to do with this thread at all!? I posted a genuine comment, offering a point of view I thought you might like to consider to try and reason why your friend would receive a ban.

Ah well, won't be losing sleep over it!

[einion yrth]

rawstrona said:

Broccers my brother got caught doing 103 mph down M6 one sunday morning, light traffic, dry and sunny. He had no points on his licence, went to court, hired reputable solicitor, apparently judges can be sometimes more lenient if you show effort in getting legal representation !!!! He pleaded requirement of his car because he works 20 miles away and that it was a new car and he wasnt used to the power (ehhem !). Came out with 6 points and £500 fine. So there is hope ! could pin on what the previous 6 points are for ? good luck

So Broccers lady friend would end up with a years ban for totting up rather than a short sharp discretionary. Perhaps not quite the result for which she was looking?

[nickwilcock]

A woman I knew was once fined for doing 40 in a 30 limit.

She complained that it was 'impossible' to drive at 30 mph on that road.

Women, know your pl...! No, I won't go there!

But if anyone cannot realise that they're doing 107-110 instead of 70, you begin to wonder just what else they're not aware of.



>> Edited by nickwilcock on Monday 11th April 13:03

[funkyrobot]

Broccers said:

funkyrobot said: 107mph never been a very high speed??? Sorry you drive a 110 diesel VW - in your world that would be high speed. and Tony has 'no car'. Cheers.

Sorry but you seem to have got lost somewhere between the real world and that little world in your head.

Regardless of what I drive, 107mph on a public road is just plain stupid (moreso when the limit is 70mph) like the idiots who get caught at them speeds.

[james_J]

funkyrobot said:

Broccers said: tonyhetherington said: I try to look at it from a 'punishment' point of view. The logic behind it will be that she's had 6 points, and that's not deterred her from doing these very high speeds. So, having been caught again, she is certain to get a ban. Remember WHY people are penalised (i.e. as a deterrent*) and it starts to explain a little clearer what she might expect. The judges logic will be that if we can inconvenience her for 2weeks, 1 month etc, then that will hopefully stop her doing it again. She is, almost, certain of a ban and as such should start thinking how she's going to get around. Bicycle/public transport etc should be looked at as, it's highly likely, she'll walk out the court room not being able to drive home. *Let's not get into the pros/cons of speed limit enforcement. Thanks. Look, Im not really interested in the morals, rights or wrongs etc. 107 mph has never been a very high speed either, nor do you know what the 6 points were for. Cheers again for the helpful assistance. I remember a time when this forum didnt have the 'preachers'. So if there are anymore of you please dont reply. Im looking for positive advice to help someone through a possibly bad situation. 107mph never been a very high speed??? What the hell are you on?? I think a ban is what she deserves, if she is caught at 107mph she is clearly unsafe to be on the road. Maybe she should have learned her lesson the previous times she has been caught!

What are you talking about?

How are you able to judge whether or not a particular speed is "safe" or not, without seeing at first hand the conditions of the road at the time?

[-DeaDLocK-]

Broccers the issues are important, because if she fails to realise what she did wrong she'll just keep doing it, and potentially endangering herself and others on the road - I've already mentioned that from what you said she appears not to have realised what kind of speed she was doing and that, regardless of the circumstances, is inherently unsafe.

The coppers aren't always there simply to scam you - sometimes they are there to keep the law. Somebody doing a speed they were not aware of, REGARDLESS of speed, is dangerous is my book.

I *am* trying to be helpful, and I find it offensive that you construe this as "preaching". I'm not making a character judgement here, I'm just saying that maybe she needs to re-evaluate her driving - if she doesn't do this then she should be kept off the road.

Heaven knows none of us are angels, so I'm not preaching, but you yourself alluded to her being a less-than-good driver in your initial post so I'm just saying maybe you should pass on the message that whatever conviction she gets will be handed down to teach her a lesson; a lesson which she probably needs to learn.

I got caught, I learned my lesson. Let's hope she does the same.

As for practical advice, all the usual things apply I guess - show up smartly dressed, be apologetic and confident, don't be a smart-arse and make contingencies in the likely event she won't be able to drive home. I hope she gets off lightly, but if getting off lightly doesn't change the quality of her driving habits, then I'd say maybe she needs to be punished harded. Catch my drift?

Edit to add: And get on to PepiPoo. There is a wealth of knowledge on there (sadly most of the techniques involved are when you receive an NIP in the post - your friend presumably received a verbal NIP at the scene). That site is the best anti-conviction resource you can find for UK speeding allegations, and you won't get "preaching". Bear in mind though that PepiPoo aren't there to "get people off" - they are there to fight the proliferation of revenue-generating speed cameras, which in your friend's scenario might not exactly apply.



>> Edited by -DeaDLocK- on Monday 11th April 13:12

[miniandy]

Let's get the padlock on this one - the bickering is childish. BY all means offer advice as to the initial question, but refrain from slagging each other off. Rant over.

[deeen]

funkyrobot said:

Sorry but you seem to have got lost somewhere between the real world and that little world in your head. Regardless of what I drive, 107mph on a public road is just plain stupid (moreso when the limit is 70mph) like the idiots who get caught at them speeds.

Hole. Digging. Stop.

In fact, stop and think about the Germans who prove thousands of times a day that 107 can be a perfectly safe and normal speed on a public road.

I suspect the only mistake the poster's friend made was getting caught.