Drink driving the reality
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Sa Calobra said:
I imagine taxi drivers see many more because everytime you pull one your out of circulation for upto 4hours.
4 hours seems crazy, is this primarily due to the amount of paperwork or just lack of resources at the station? I'd have thought such a common offence would have been streamlined to speed up processing.Mr2Mike said:
Sa Calobra said:
I imagine taxi drivers see many more because everytime you pull one your out of circulation for upto 4hours.
4 hours seems crazy, is this primarily due to the amount of paperwork or just lack of resources at the station? I'd have thought such a common offence would have been streamlined to speed up processing.You have to keep in mind that further down the line of any prosecution, some legal type will be searching for any technicality to pull the case apart .
Mr2Mike said:
4 hours seems crazy, is this primarily due to the amount of paperwork or just lack of resources at the station? I'd have thought such a common offence would have been streamlined to speed up processing.
Notice driving, pull, talk, breath test, arrest, wait for first available van, drive to nearest open custody, wait in van dock, queue, at desk, booking in, exooain rights, property booking in, see nurse, machine breath test proceedure. Back to desk, into cell.
Drive back to station. Start CPS file build.
Ok. Stop. On way to custody prisoner claims has chest pains, go to A&E, blood test proceedure...
Tv programme makes it look quick!
Edited by Sa Calobra on Wednesday 12th December 10:17
Sa Calobra said:
Notice driving, pull, talk, breath test, arrest, wait for first available van, drive to nearest open custody, wait in van dock, queue, at desk, booking in, exooain rights, property booking in, see nurse, machine breath test proceedure.
Back to desk, into cell.
Drive back to station. Start CPS file build.
Ok. Stop. On way to custody prisoner claims has chest pains, go to A&E, blood test proceedure...
Tv programme makes it look quick!
Do your drink/drug drivers not skip the queue at custody? Ours do. Back to desk, into cell.
Drive back to station. Start CPS file build.
Ok. Stop. On way to custody prisoner claims has chest pains, go to A&E, blood test proceedure...
Tv programme makes it look quick!
Edited by Sa Calobra on Wednesday 12th December 10:17
My cousin was killed by a drunk lorry driver 23 December coming back to see her family for Xmas (about 30 years ago).
He might as well have killed my aunt and uncle as well that day. They were empty shells for the rest of there lives. Divorced due to the stress.
He was way over the limit after finishing partying at 4am. Crashed in to my cousin about 9 am.
He got 18 months served 9.
He might as well have killed my aunt and uncle as well that day. They were empty shells for the rest of there lives. Divorced due to the stress.
He was way over the limit after finishing partying at 4am. Crashed in to my cousin about 9 am.
He got 18 months served 9.
My daughter works in a local pub-restaurant. It's quite a smart place and is fully booked all weekend, every weekend. Most lunchtimes are very busy too. All the staff know several groups of regulars who drink and/or eat there very often, by which I mean several times a week, some even every evening. 5-10 people are known to drive home after an evening of drinking on a regular basis.
Once I pulled into the car park to drop my partner off at his car. A police car followed me in (it was about 11.30pm) and watched him get into his car. They then followed him out and stopped and breathalysed him as soon as he turned onto the main road. He was clear. I'm glad they did so and I wish they'd target some of these other drivers more often - the obvious drunk-drivers who drive along at 30mph at 11.30 at night, wavering around and doing their best to stay on the carriageway. God help anyone who's in their path at the wrong moment.
Once I pulled into the car park to drop my partner off at his car. A police car followed me in (it was about 11.30pm) and watched him get into his car. They then followed him out and stopped and breathalysed him as soon as he turned onto the main road. He was clear. I'm glad they did so and I wish they'd target some of these other drivers more often - the obvious drunk-drivers who drive along at 30mph at 11.30 at night, wavering around and doing their best to stay on the carriageway. God help anyone who's in their path at the wrong moment.
We had similar a few years back. A night out at a pub near Christmas. S stayed sober, I was drinking. Leaving at maybe midnight, at a crossroads maybe 100 metres up from the pub he jumped out of the police car behind us. To S, 'I just wanted to check as I saw you pull away from the pub, but I can smell that you haven't had anything, so no bother' even saying hello doggie to Bruce in the back as he departed. I have no problem whatsoever with that type of policing, in that manner. About 8 years ago I got tugged at Christmas for a breath test, I blew 0. He still made a point of ticketing me for doing mid 80's on an empty Roman Road Dual Carriage way. Cheers Officer!
I dislike drink drivers with a passion. They always seem sorry for themselves and are very obtuse.
If you suspect someone is going to drive home after a skinfull call it in. I often cycle to and from work and I see a few factory workers etc who do the same. Having to share the roads with drinkers is a scary thought. Country, town or city.
On top of that if they hit a parked or another car they aren't stopping for obvious reasons.
If you suspect someone is going to drive home after a skinfull call it in. I often cycle to and from work and I see a few factory workers etc who do the same. Having to share the roads with drinkers is a scary thought. Country, town or city.
On top of that if they hit a parked or another car they aren't stopping for obvious reasons.
Sa Calobra said:
I dislike drink drivers with a passion. They always seem sorry for themselves and are very obtuse.
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How would you expect them to be ? .
You've just spoiled their day in quite a big way and are unlikely to be on their Christmas card list.
Reality dawns. The implications can be far reaching.
The messers (feigning illness/ injury) are the worst.
I used to get quite angry when turning up at an RTA caused by a drunk driver. The norm was that they would be out of their car, arguing with the other driver, oblivious to anyone with injuries. They would breathe fumes all over me and often grab me. Thankfully, most accidents I turned up to were in built up, 30mph areas, so injuries were not often fatal. I still can remember a motorcyclist with a car parked on his hips. The fire brigade lifted the car off him, and damaged organs, a burst spleen was one, made his stomach bulge with the blood loss. The bloke knew he was going to die. You could see it in his expression. All down to a drunk, coming back from a concert at the Barbican. The Mets got him for us, but there was insufficient evidence to charge for the accident.
He was middle 20s, coming back from a motorcycle race in Spain. He'd parted with his mates at the Elephant and Castle and then had come round a corner in the City to be confronted by a car on the wrong side of the road. He got off his bike, sliding along the road. The car behind the drunk saw the sparks from the motorbike and pulled to the side, hitting the rider whom he hadn't seen.
That was probably 1976 and I can still see the bloke, his eyes wide as he filled up with blood.
Coppers can tell hundreds of drink/drive stories like that.
He was middle 20s, coming back from a motorcycle race in Spain. He'd parted with his mates at the Elephant and Castle and then had come round a corner in the City to be confronted by a car on the wrong side of the road. He got off his bike, sliding along the road. The car behind the drunk saw the sparks from the motorbike and pulled to the side, hitting the rider whom he hadn't seen.
That was probably 1976 and I can still see the bloke, his eyes wide as he filled up with blood.
Coppers can tell hundreds of drink/drive stories like that.
I have the greatest respect for anyone that has to, or has dealt with these incidents.
I was in Nottingham at university in 2000. I walked the usual way home to my digs around midnight and went to sleep. I was woken early in the morning by the sound of my phone. My mum was ringing to see if I was ok. A drunk driver had killed two students (one I knew) by mounting the pavement (where I had been a few hours earlier) and ploughing into them. The driver got his sentence reduced at a later date to 6 years.
My local village recently had a drink driver kill himself. He was in a 40 mph limit but was doing much more than that. He was twice over the drink drive limit. He managed to crash into the metal railings of a factory and died.
A d
head in my old village destroyed his Calibra (going back a bit) whilst drunk. He managed to plough into the central reservation of a small bit of dual carriageway as he exited the village slip road. He was ok, so he ran off because he didn't want to be caught.
My old Bora was written off in 2010 by a banned drink driver. The chap had lost his licence 3 months earlier due to being caught drunk behind the wheel. He worked at the same place I did and just carried on driving into work whilst banned. He lost control in some snow and ploughed into me. Luckily I only got a jolt. He got a £50 fine and a bit of community service when he went to court.
I was in Nottingham at university in 2000. I walked the usual way home to my digs around midnight and went to sleep. I was woken early in the morning by the sound of my phone. My mum was ringing to see if I was ok. A drunk driver had killed two students (one I knew) by mounting the pavement (where I had been a few hours earlier) and ploughing into them. The driver got his sentence reduced at a later date to 6 years.
My local village recently had a drink driver kill himself. He was in a 40 mph limit but was doing much more than that. He was twice over the drink drive limit. He managed to crash into the metal railings of a factory and died.
A d
head in my old village destroyed his Calibra (going back a bit) whilst drunk. He managed to plough into the central reservation of a small bit of dual carriageway as he exited the village slip road. He was ok, so he ran off because he didn't want to be caught.My old Bora was written off in 2010 by a banned drink driver. The chap had lost his licence 3 months earlier due to being caught drunk behind the wheel. He worked at the same place I did and just carried on driving into work whilst banned. He lost control in some snow and ploughed into me. Luckily I only got a jolt. He got a £50 fine and a bit of community service when he went to court.
Same police force:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3193695/D...
Posted as a previous post mentions the amount of work and time taken to deal with a drunk driver. Ensuring kit is correctly calibrated and maintained may seem like mundane housekeeping, but it is important. Many posts have mentioned dislike for drunk drivers and the harm they can cause yet that can be undone by getting the basics correct.
It also shows the reality of shoddiness at work. In that case it resulted in a drunk driver getting off lightly despite the death of a blameless, innocent child.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3193695/D...
Posted as a previous post mentions the amount of work and time taken to deal with a drunk driver. Ensuring kit is correctly calibrated and maintained may seem like mundane housekeeping, but it is important. Many posts have mentioned dislike for drunk drivers and the harm they can cause yet that can be undone by getting the basics correct.
It also shows the reality of shoddiness at work. In that case it resulted in a drunk driver getting off lightly despite the death of a blameless, innocent child.
Edited by carinaman on Thursday 13th December 02:17
LosingGrip said:
Do your drink/drug drivers not skip the queue at custody? Ours do.
Of course they do - because they might actually be able to pay the fine! But as much as I have no time for anyone caught drink driving, I can't help wondering why they get to "skip the queue" at custody? Surely it would be better to make them sweat a bit?
Is my tax revenue being mis-spent pursuing the easiest target when resources might be better focussed on potential tube-bombers - or is it maybe too late?
Edited by Mr Tidy on Thursday 13th December 04:32
Mr Tidy said:
Of course they do - because they might actually be able to pay the fine!
But as much as I have no time for anyone caught drink driving, I can't help wondering why they get to "skip the queue" at custody? Surely it would be better to make them sweat a bit?
Is my tax revenue being mis-spent pursuing the easiest target when resources might be better focussed on potential tube-bombers - or is it maybe too late?
They skip the queue at custody so that they get them on to the intoxilyzer as quickly as they can. But as much as I have no time for anyone caught drink driving, I can't help wondering why they get to "skip the queue" at custody? Surely it would be better to make them sweat a bit?
Is my tax revenue being mis-spent pursuing the easiest target when resources might be better focussed on potential tube-bombers - or is it maybe too late?
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 13th December 04:32
If you have to wait two hours then that evidence can be lost due to the body processing alcohol.
If you have to wait two hours in a queue with a tube bomber then you’re not losing any evidence.
Faz50 said:
Mr Tidy said:
Of course they do - because they might actually be able to pay the fine!
But as much as I have no time for anyone caught drink driving, I can't help wondering why they get to "skip the queue" at custody? Surely it would be better to make them sweat a bit?
Is my tax revenue being mis-spent pursuing the easiest target when resources might be better focussed on potential tube-bombers - or is it maybe too late?
They skip the queue at custody so that they get them on to the intoxilyzer as quickly as they can. But as much as I have no time for anyone caught drink driving, I can't help wondering why they get to "skip the queue" at custody? Surely it would be better to make them sweat a bit?
Is my tax revenue being mis-spent pursuing the easiest target when resources might be better focussed on potential tube-bombers - or is it maybe too late?
Edited by Mr Tidy on Thursday 13th December 04:32
If you have to wait two hours then that evidence can be lost due to the body processing alcohol.
If you have to wait two hours in a queue with a tube bomber then you’re not losing any evidence.
Most will still be on their way up having just stopped drinking.
Caught the morning after they are likely to be plummeting quickly.
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