crazy ban.imho
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cooperman said:
gone said:
cooperman said:
And some pople wonder why some banned drivers continue to drive!
There is no wonder why they still drive. The fun is in catching them and seeing the results
cooperman said:
If minor motoring offences result in out-of-proportion sentances compared with other crimes, then it's what society should not be surprised at.
A succession of minor motoring offences!
Once on 9 points, (ususally in this scenario having already had 3 chances) taking any chances at all is abject stupidity
cooperman said:
I don't include the catching of those banned for taking and driving away, DD, etc, just Mr. High-mileage business driver who gets unlucky a few times over a 3-year period.
Including the fact that whilst banned they have no insurance!
Would you be happy for one of your poor unobservant business driver to run into you whilst he was being yet again unobservant?
cooperman said:
Show a little empathy, gone, even if, as we all appreciate, you have to do your job properly. I mean, you don't have to get fun out of catching someone like I describe, even though you do have to catch them.
No disqual gets my sympathy. The fact they are disqual was within their own destiny before it happened. How many warnings do they need? They get 4 in the shape of 3 points each for minor stuff.
If a business driver is on the brink of losing livelihood and licence i.e. 6 points plus, then to drive with thumb up arse deserves all it gets!
>> Edited by gone on Tuesday 21st June 23:01
My biggest gripe with this road:
1. Put the Tallivan on the downhill side, past the hospital exit (not that I like Tallivans though).
2. Coming into Wycombe from Handy Cross the limit is NSL past the first school, a 40 limit starts just after the school for the roundabout/second school. If the council cared in the slightest they'd make this whole stretch (400M) a 40mph limit. But they don't give a
, they'll wait for a kid to be killed first.
BTW, there is no point in speeding up the hill these days as the stupidly sequenced lights at the brow will catch you and make you stop anyway.
1. Put the Tallivan on the downhill side, past the hospital exit (not that I like Tallivans though).
2. Coming into Wycombe from Handy Cross the limit is NSL past the first school, a 40 limit starts just after the school for the roundabout/second school. If the council cared in the slightest they'd make this whole stretch (400M) a 40mph limit. But they don't give a
, they'll wait for a kid to be killed first. BTW, there is no point in speeding up the hill these days as the stupidly sequenced lights at the brow will catch you and make you stop anyway.
One didn't ask for your sympathy, gone, just a little understanding.
Once again, you don't have to describe it as fun when you nick someone who has made some very minor mistakes over a 3-year period.
I'm not advocating DWD, just trying to understand what sort of person finds apprehending those who are so desparate they do so to be FUN.
Is it FUN to catch a rapist, or a murderer, or a fraudster? It might give professional satisfaction, but to describe it as FUN is way, way off the mark.
Maybe a poor choice of words on your part?
Once again, you don't have to describe it as fun when you nick someone who has made some very minor mistakes over a 3-year period.
I'm not advocating DWD, just trying to understand what sort of person finds apprehending those who are so desparate they do so to be FUN.
Is it FUN to catch a rapist, or a murderer, or a fraudster? It might give professional satisfaction, but to describe it as FUN is way, way off the mark.
Maybe a poor choice of words on your part?
gone said:
gone said:
How many on this board bang on about speed enforcement outside schools?
True, but this was at 8pm...
Its a boarding school!
Kids around at all times
Think boarding schools tend to keep a stricter eye on whereabouts than some chav parents
mein Lieber. gone said:
No disqual gets my sympathy. The fact they are disqual was within their own destiny before it happened. How many warnings do they need? They get 4 in the shape of 3 points each for minor stuff.
If a business driver is on the brink of losing livelihood and licence i.e. 6 points plus, then to drive with thumb up arse deserves all it gets!
>> Edited by gone on Tuesday 21st June 23:01
But in sunny Blackpool - ist apparently possible to notch up 12 points on one drive at 35 mph along promenade....I can see und perhaps even have some understanding of aggrieved motorist driving whilst banned under those circumstances...ist not approving - is being able to see the point of view from such a person.
WildCat said:
But in sunny Blackpool - ist apparently possible to notch up 12 points on one drive at 35 mph along promenade....I can see und perhaps even have some understanding of aggrieved motorist driving whilst banned under those circumstances...ist not approving - is being able to see the point of view from such a person.
Simple way to avoid this Mrs Cat.
Drive along Blackpool prom watching the speedometer does not go above 30mph
Even better, try driving along Blackpool prom at 20mph and you have a small margin for error in your favour
!gone said:
But in sunny Blackpool - ist apparently possible to notch up 12 points on one drive at 35 mph along promenade....I can see und perhaps even have some understanding of aggrieved motorist driving whilst banned under those circumstances...ist not approving - is being able to see the point of view from such a person.
Simple way to avoid this Mrs Cat.
Drive along Blackpool prom watching the speedometer does not go above 30mph
Even better, try driving along Blackpool prom at 20mph and you have a small margin for error in your favour
And probably get stopped for holding up traffic. Another "gone-ism" all rule book and no brain! He seems to be so far out of step compared to other BIB's on here I often wonder if he is a Chief Constable.
gone said:And run over a series of pedestrians? (And I did notice the 'wink'.) - Streaky
But in sunny Blackpool - ist apparently possible to notch up 12 points on one drive at 35 mph along promenade....I can see und perhaps even have some understanding of aggrieved motorist driving whilst banned under those circumstances...ist not approving - is being able to see the point of view from such a person.
Simple way to avoid this Mrs Cat.
Drive along Blackpool prom watching the speedometer does not go above 30mph
streaky said:
WildCat said:
But in sunny Blackpool - ist apparently possible to notch up 12 points on one drive at 35 mph along promenade....I can see und perhaps even have some understanding of aggrieved motorist driving whilst banned under those circumstances...ist not approving - is being able to see the point of view from such a person.
Simple way to avoid this Mrs Cat.
Drive along Blackpool prom watching the speedometer does not go above 30mph
And run over a series of pedestrians? (And I did notice the 'wink'.) - Streaky
Und there are those beach donkeys und the pony and traps....not to mention trams und "saddies" from Coronation Street - who always seem to get comeuppance or meet Willi Eckkers mit those trams ...
Ist far too dangerous to look at s-s-speedo
Please read my posts again. I was not advocating DWD, I was saying that the strange and stupid decisions of SOME magistrates to ban drivers for, perhaps, one minor and not unsafe act, such as doing 71 in road works when no-one is working, or 4 minor offences like 35 in a 30 or 79 on a clear motorway, will cause undue hardship in many cases, bring the law into disrepute and cause some to take the risk of DWD.
'gone's' response was that it's FUN to catch those who feel so desparate that they continue to drive whilst disqual in order to keep job, home and family together.
Cameras are placed to make money, they don't improve road safety, as most BiB on here agree, yet 'gone' thinks it FUN to apprehend those caught in this silly cash-making system and who feel it necessary to continue to drive.
No, 'gone' it should not be FUN. A part of your job - yes. A task you need to undertake - yes. But FUN?? I don't think so. If you find this fun perhaps you are in the wrong job.
Fun is taking your kids to the beach. Fun is riding a big roller-coaster, fun is winning a bet on the horses, fun is Christmas morning with the your grandchildren.
Fun is not nicking some poor b*****d who is desparate as a result of the ridiculous speed enforcement/cash-collection policies in this country, even though it is a part of your job.
Tell us, when one of your colleagues makes a couple of minor mistakes, gets caught, tries to hide or alter the situation to keep his/her job and gets found out and prosecuted, do you find this FUN?
You do seem to enjoy the misfortunes of others - I wonder why. I bet you would find it FUN to arrest a pensioner for non-payment of rates in order to have that pensioner imprisoned.
'gone's' response was that it's FUN to catch those who feel so desparate that they continue to drive whilst disqual in order to keep job, home and family together.
Cameras are placed to make money, they don't improve road safety, as most BiB on here agree, yet 'gone' thinks it FUN to apprehend those caught in this silly cash-making system and who feel it necessary to continue to drive.
No, 'gone' it should not be FUN. A part of your job - yes. A task you need to undertake - yes. But FUN?? I don't think so. If you find this fun perhaps you are in the wrong job.
Fun is taking your kids to the beach. Fun is riding a big roller-coaster, fun is winning a bet on the horses, fun is Christmas morning with the your grandchildren.
Fun is not nicking some poor b*****d who is desparate as a result of the ridiculous speed enforcement/cash-collection policies in this country, even though it is a part of your job.
Tell us, when one of your colleagues makes a couple of minor mistakes, gets caught, tries to hide or alter the situation to keep his/her job and gets found out and prosecuted, do you find this FUN?
You do seem to enjoy the misfortunes of others - I wonder why. I bet you would find it FUN to arrest a pensioner for non-payment of rates in order to have that pensioner imprisoned.
WildCat said:
Und there are those beach donkeys und the pony and traps....not to mention trams und "saddies" from Coronation Street - who always seem to get comeuppance or meet Willi Eckkers mit those trams ...
Ist far too dangerous to look at s-s-speedo
Safest for you then Mrs Cat is to catch the Tram
! Then you can look at the 'COAST' from the safety of it
cooperman said:
Please read my posts again. I was not advocating DWD, I was saying that the strange and stupid decisions of SOME magistrates to ban drivers for, perhaps, one minor and not unsafe act, such as doing 71 in road works when no-one is working,
This sort of quote just goes to show that you really do not understand why roadworks have a speed restriction on them! It is not just about who may be working there at the time
. Do they have well advertised signs warning of a reduction in the limit?
Those that ignore/fail to notice it are not performing a minor unsafe act. It is not a strange decsion for a magistrate to ban someone who has totted up. It is inevitable!
cooperman said:
or 4 minor offences like 35 in a 30 or 79 on a clear motorway, will cause undue hardship in many cases, bring the law into disrepute and cause some to take the risk of DWD.
Sadly, the person who acts in this way has only themsleves to blame for the outcome. Restraint is the key word in this. The fact this is missing from their life plan is often the problem affecting the rest of it! If you are on a yellow card, do not attract the attention of a red
cooperman said:
'gone's' response was that it's FUN to catch those who feel so desparate that they continue to drive whilst disqual in order to keep job, home and family together.
It is 'fun' catching criminals, especially those who put others at risk regardless of their own personal motives. It is what I am paid to do. I enjoy it. Am I to work without any enjoyment for the job I do?
cooperman said:
Cameras are placed to make money, they don't improve road safety, as most BiB on here agree,....
I never said they improved safety. They aim to improve safety that is all. They are not placed to make money. You only pay if you fail to observe!
Cameras are placed in sodding great big yellow boxes. They are also placed in areas where it is more dangeorus to exceed the limit.
If drivers cannot see or fail to see cameras, then I have little symapthy for them. I do not like cameras
. I accept that it is not so easy with a camera van but they mostly lurk in the same areas and those areas they do lurk are usually in restricted areas. If you don't like cameras, then look out for them and you will be safe. I have never been caught by a camera (unless I deliberately drove fast through the site
) cooperman said:
....yet 'gone' thinks it FUN to apprehend those caught in this silly cash-making system and who feel it necessary to continue to drive.
It is FUN catching those who put others at risk!
Would you really care how a person was disqualified if they happened to hit you, your property or one of your family? I very much doubt it when you have to go through the trauma of dealing with the MIB!
cooperman said:
No, 'gone' it should not be FUN. A part of your job - yes. A task you need to undertake - yes. But FUN??
Most definately yes! Its what keeps me going back year after year knowing I am making a difference!
Did you read the post by 'Guiltybutsorry'?
I have a little empathy with him but it would have been 'fun' catching him in the first place.
cooperman said:
I don't think so. If you find this fun perhaps you are in the wrong job
Maybe, maybe not. I have been in the wrong job for a very long time if I am.
cooperman said:
Fun is taking your kids to the beach.
You don't know my kids! That is definately not fun
cooperman said:
Fun is riding a big roller-coaster, fun is winning a bet on the horses,
Thank christ we all have different opinions. I find that utterly tedious stuff! Betting is for mugs! Roller coasters are the same as being thrown about by an untrained driver when I have to venture into their car....
cooperman said:
fun is Christmas morning with the your grandchildren.
I will tell you that when the time comes. I would hope it is at least another 15 years.
cooperman said:
Fun is not nicking some poor b*****d who is desparate as a result of the ridiculous speed enforcement/cash-collection policies in this country, even though it is a part of your job.
It is if it stops them from doing it!
cooperman said:
Tell us, when one of your colleagues makes a couple of minor mistakes, gets caught, tries to hide or alter the situation to keep his/her job and gets found out and prosecuted, do you find this FUN?
Not particualrly but it is necessary. If they are bent, it is certainly gratifying!
cooperman said:
You do seem to enjoy the misfortunes of others - I wonder why. I bet you would find it FUN to arrest a pensioner for non-payment of rates in order to have that pensioner imprisoned.
I don't imprison anyone or make decsions to do so. I can put them in a cell for up to 24 hours. When I arrest it is in order to have the ability to question them about an offence and no more! The courts do the imprisoning. I expect imprisoning a pensioner as a magistrate is not fun!
>> Edited by gone on Wednesday 22 June 11:49
gone said:
some trite Confucian toe-the-line stuff maybe to wind cooperman up
Gone, this is not intended as a personal attack but when I was halfway through primary school most of us gave up stepping on the paving stones and never stepping on the cracks. Except for one of us who insisted on carrying on religiously. He left school and became a British Rail Police officer and later an inspector. Nice guy, a bit humourless and still follows the rules to the fine detail of the letter. For him I guess it goes with the job. Or maybe the job was necessary for someone like him. Anyway the two of them are well suited. Josef Stalin needed people like him to control the Soviet Union for so many years - they were called his 'willing fools'
People like Cooperman ( and probably myself) have perhaps an alternative view. We think we see that there's more to life than avoiding stepping on the cracks at all costs.
I can't really speak for Cooperman but as for myself, at 02:30 a.m I will happily drive at 80 or 90 through the roadworks when I can see clearly thats thers no-one yes.... no-one, working there. And I can see to stop safely if someone has somehow deposited a roadcone, or worse, in the restricted carriageway. And I can be sure that there's none off the speed cameras installed by the current administrations willing fools there to cause me a bureaucratic irritation ( as I have had to 8 times to date, each successfully) over exceeding some usually stupid and arbitrarily low speed. And denying these scum the satisfaction of defacing my licence or collecting my money.
This difference in attitudes used to be a minor thing but its become quite a raison d'etre now. And an awful lot of people who I'd dismissed as being of the don't step-on-the cracks tendency seem to be starting to think much the same. And the concept of respect for the law and all the other things like not fiddling your tax and doing your jury service and not taking the law into your own hands against burglars and thieves, but helping to hold society together seems to be going with it. Doesn't it ?
Where do you think it might lead, gone ?
Who will eventually win ?
I'm writing this from a hotel room in Shanghai. Things changed fast here about 50 years ago. And are changing pretty fast here now too. And its not just about what you can and can';t do on the roads either.
cooperman said:
And some pople wonder why some banned drivers continue to drive!
There is no wonder why they still drive. The fun is in catching them and seeing the results
Sorry, I don't quite see why it's fun
Hey, we live in a police state, and he's the police.
Wouldn't you be having fun?
gone said:
But in sunny Blackpool - ist apparently possible to notch up 12 points on one drive at 35 mph along promenade....I can see und perhaps even have some understanding of aggrieved motorist driving whilst banned under those circumstances...ist not approving - is being able to see the point of view from such a person.
Simple way to avoid this Mrs Cat.
Drive along Blackpool prom watching the speedometer does not go above 30mph
Have you ever driven along Blackpool prom, Gone? Your eyes should be glued to the road, not the speedo, with all the children, drunken idiots, dozy tourists and other muppets ambling around all over the road! Things are bad enough with all the stupid "Watch your speed" signs without this kind of advice. No wonder nobody's looking where they're going any more!
gone said:
Even better, try driving along Blackpool prom at 20mph and you have a small margin for error in your favour
20mph is way too fast on a busy day, and stupidly slow when it's quiet. Of course you can't simply drive at a safe and appropriate speed for the conditions because you have to spend all your time checking your speedo and scanning for scameras (there are many).
gone, sometimes you really do talk out of your rump. Years ago, when we had real plod, if you got points then you generally deserved them. If you managed to get 12 points and a ban then you were either psychotic or a complete nutter and deserved not to drive for a while.
Now we have cameras that don't discriminate between good and bad drivers, safe and unsafe driving, they look for a number and if you're over that number - you get 3 points.
With the cameras often hidden away it's not surprising we don't see them is it !
Nobody is going to have any time or respect for a system (or the people who work the system) that works on numbers like this.
Now we have cameras that don't discriminate between good and bad drivers, safe and unsafe driving, they look for a number and if you're over that number - you get 3 points.
With the cameras often hidden away it's not surprising we don't see them is it !
Nobody is going to have any time or respect for a system (or the people who work the system) that works on numbers like this.
busa_rush said:
gone, sometimes you really do talk out of your rump.
Thanks
busa_rush said:
Years ago, when we had real plod, if you got points then you generally deserved them.
So standing with a muniquip and potting 30 in a morning was OK then
busa_rush said:
If you managed to get 12 points and a ban then you were either psychotic or a complete nutter and deserved not to drive for a while.
Whats different now?
I drive a lot, in fact many thousands of miles a year. I have not been caught by anyone for anything. If I can why is it so difficult for everyone else?
busa_rush said:
Now we have cameras that don't discriminate between good and bad drivers, safe and unsafe driving, they look for a number and if you're over that number - you get 3 points.
If you dirve through a camera site at in excess of a limit, you are a bad driver with no observation!
busa_rush said:
With the cameras often hidden away it's not surprising we don't see them is it !
Hidden in a large box with a yelow square on it
What is hidden about that?
The signs are there for you to read!
If you do not treat the restricted limit as a target to stick at on the nose, then you will not be bothered. If you drive with your thumb up your arse, you will be!
busa_rush said:
Nobody is going to have any time or respect for a system (or the people who work the system) that works on numbers like this.
Really? Its inevitable on a site like this though don't you think? (sports cars and all
) Read your local paper properly at the weekend. See how many people are campaigning for a speed camera in their particular road to slow other drivers down!
gone, your blind belief in the total obeyance of all laws at all times, with no tolerance whatsoever, simply amazes me. I wish you lived in my area where the 'travellers' drive around in what are obviously unroadworthy and illegal vehicles and where you could have FUN nicking them every day. But, of course, they are outside the law so far as plod are concerned.
So anyone who gets done by a camera is a bad driver. Like a friend of mine from the Met. A highly trained Met driver, he was done for 80 mph on the M6 by one of Callaghan's spiteful vans. This on a clear dry day with light traffic.
You go on about the cameras being in yellow painted boxes. Yes, but what about the sneaky scam-vans which, we are told, can catch you at half a kilometre or more?
To come back to where we started this, if stupid magistrates disqualify drivers for very minor offences where no dangers were involved, then some drivers are going to ignore that ban. You may not like it, I may not agree with their actions, but it is what will happen. There are disqualifications being handed out now which are totally unjustified. Some of these will be ignored. Are you unable to understand why?
Then you describe the catching of such people as FUN. Now, my work is interesting. When I achieve something I feel pleased and professionally satisfied. You, however, get FUN from inflicting even more misery on those already miserable. I know from experience within my group of friends that not all BiB find this sort of thing FUN. One, an Inspector who has been a close friend of mine for over 22 years, described the attitude towards the police generated by the cash-cameras and the camera infrastructure as the greatest threat to police/public relations ever. He works at the Home Office and says that many of his colleagues there are concerned about this.
For me this is not a problem. I can acquire a S. Irish driving licence and S. Irish registered car within a very short space of time and I can use such a car in the U.K. for as long as I wish so long as it leaves the U.K. at least once every 6 months. That's E.U. law at work. So I'll never get disqualified under the cash-camera scheme. Others may not have the luxury of being in my fortunate position, although it is easier than you may think. If you want to know how to do this email me privately.
But it does seem sad that you find the desparation of others to be FUN.
So anyone who gets done by a camera is a bad driver. Like a friend of mine from the Met. A highly trained Met driver, he was done for 80 mph on the M6 by one of Callaghan's spiteful vans. This on a clear dry day with light traffic.
You go on about the cameras being in yellow painted boxes. Yes, but what about the sneaky scam-vans which, we are told, can catch you at half a kilometre or more?
To come back to where we started this, if stupid magistrates disqualify drivers for very minor offences where no dangers were involved, then some drivers are going to ignore that ban. You may not like it, I may not agree with their actions, but it is what will happen. There are disqualifications being handed out now which are totally unjustified. Some of these will be ignored. Are you unable to understand why?
Then you describe the catching of such people as FUN. Now, my work is interesting. When I achieve something I feel pleased and professionally satisfied. You, however, get FUN from inflicting even more misery on those already miserable. I know from experience within my group of friends that not all BiB find this sort of thing FUN. One, an Inspector who has been a close friend of mine for over 22 years, described the attitude towards the police generated by the cash-cameras and the camera infrastructure as the greatest threat to police/public relations ever. He works at the Home Office and says that many of his colleagues there are concerned about this.
For me this is not a problem. I can acquire a S. Irish driving licence and S. Irish registered car within a very short space of time and I can use such a car in the U.K. for as long as I wish so long as it leaves the U.K. at least once every 6 months. That's E.U. law at work. So I'll never get disqualified under the cash-camera scheme. Others may not have the luxury of being in my fortunate position, although it is easier than you may think. If you want to know how to do this email me privately.
But it does seem sad that you find the desparation of others to be FUN.
pneumothorax said:
yeh . fair point.but what about all these t
I couldnt agree more.
I think this ban is outrageous. he hill in question is extremely steep and we all pick up as much speed as possible in the bottom section. You were a danger to nobody there and 53 is no big deal at all.
Banning someone with a clean license for that is stupid.
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