Compulsory masks in shops from 24th and petrol stations
Discussion
rich888 said:
Haha absolutely spot-on, "but I don't have a mask", "well go and buy one then", "but they won't let me in the shop unless I wear one!"
I think the wearing of masks in shops decision has been forced upon us not due to any genuine health and safety reasons, but more to do with politics.
Alternatively we could say enough is enough of this stupidity and go stick your mask where the sun don't shine, I am old enough to make my own decisions, and am perfectly capable of balancing the risk factor of climbing out of bed and going out of the front door against that of stopping in and dying from starvation or boredom. Putting a mask on will make very little difference to my survivability if the shop is filled to the brim with Covid coffers.
Perhaps I could sign a waiver saying I accept the risk of living in this silly world alongside the easily offended snowflake generation, actually can I say generation, is it gender binary vegan neutral? Perhaps if I identify as a tea-pot can I do my weekly shop without a mask
All said in jest
I think the wearing of masks in shops decision has been forced upon us not due to any genuine health and safety reasons, but more to do with politics.
Alternatively we could say enough is enough of this stupidity and go stick your mask where the sun don't shine, I am old enough to make my own decisions, and am perfectly capable of balancing the risk factor of climbing out of bed and going out of the front door against that of stopping in and dying from starvation or boredom. Putting a mask on will make very little difference to my survivability if the shop is filled to the brim with Covid coffers.
Perhaps I could sign a waiver saying I accept the risk of living in this silly world alongside the easily offended snowflake generation, actually can I say generation, is it gender binary vegan neutral? Perhaps if I identify as a tea-pot can I do my weekly shop without a mask
All said in jest
Maybe you could start by reading what the requirements are and the actual purpose of a face covering is.
You clearly don't understand. It's a very common theme with the people that have the issues.
rich888 said:
Haha absolutely spot-on, "but I don't have a mask", "well go and buy one then", "but they won't let me in the shop unless I wear one!"
I think the wearing of masks in shops decision has been forced upon us not due to any genuine health and safety reasons, but more to do with politics.
Alternatively we could say enough is enough of this stupidity and go stick your mask where the sun don't shine, I am old enough to make my own decisions, and am perfectly capable of balancing the risk factor of climbing out of bed and going out of the front door against that of stopping in and dying from starvation or boredom. Putting a mask on will make very little difference to my survivability if the shop is filled to the brim with Covid coffers.
Perhaps I could sign a waiver saying I accept the risk of living in this silly world alongside the easily offended snowflake generation, actually can I say generation, is it gender binary vegan neutral? Perhaps if I identify as a tea-pot can I do my weekly shop without a mask
All said in jest
It’s completely wrong and so is your view. It’s got nothing to do with whether you catch it and everything to do with stopping the spread. If everyone wears face coverings (not masks, just coverings) then along with the rest of the measures it may well help to limit the spread of the virus. I think the wearing of masks in shops decision has been forced upon us not due to any genuine health and safety reasons, but more to do with politics.
Alternatively we could say enough is enough of this stupidity and go stick your mask where the sun don't shine, I am old enough to make my own decisions, and am perfectly capable of balancing the risk factor of climbing out of bed and going out of the front door against that of stopping in and dying from starvation or boredom. Putting a mask on will make very little difference to my survivability if the shop is filled to the brim with Covid coffers.
Perhaps I could sign a waiver saying I accept the risk of living in this silly world alongside the easily offended snowflake generation, actually can I say generation, is it gender binary vegan neutral? Perhaps if I identify as a tea-pot can I do my weekly shop without a mask
All said in jest
That or we could all just do what they did in the US and watch it go spectacularly wrong and we could end up back in lockdown again, running the economy. It’s OK though, I’m sure you could beat the virus up for the rest of the snowflake world.
unident said:
That or we could all just do what they did in the US and watch it go spectacularly wrong and we could end up back in lockdown again, running the economy. It’s OK though, I’m sure you could beat the virus up for the rest of the snowflake world.
The confusing thing is that the major scientific groups said masks wouldn't help stop the spread but now the conversation has changed to mask do help.
What has changed because if you compare mask usage against infections it isn't really clear.
The Spruce Goose said:
Yet the USA has a high mask usage, so your analogy/hypnosis doesn't really work.
The confusing thing is that the major scientific groups said masks wouldn't help stop the spread but now the conversation has changed to mask do help.
What has changed because if you compare mask usage against infections it isn't really clear.
The US doesn’t have high mask usage at all. They’re trying everything they can to get people to use them, but it’s not really working. Certainly the states that are currently being hit hard are the ones resisting the hardest both now and recent past. The confusing thing is that the major scientific groups said masks wouldn't help stop the spread but now the conversation has changed to mask do help.
What has changed because if you compare mask usage against infections it isn't really clear.
The virus is brand new. Scientific and medical knowledge around it is growing all the time. Things are changing as a result. That really shouldn’t be a surprise. Equally, the initial solution of locking down has been and gone and now it’s about finding a way to get things more normalised, rather than telling everyone to stay at home and not leave home for virtually any reason.
Knowledge has changed. It happens when something as major as this is being studied by the global scientific and medical communities.
Quite why people think knowledge is a fixed entity is beyond me.
Edited to add the below just to debunk the myth that face coverings are the norm in the US
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/07/17/ups...
You’ll probably need to register for free to use the interactive features.
Edited by unident on Sunday 19th July 23:55
unident said:
The US doesn’t have high mask usage at all. .
Maybe have a read up before stating incorrect facts.l
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I’ve just quoted exactly the same article. Look at who’s wearing the masks, the states that have been hit amd are coming out of it. Look who isn’t wearing them, those who are in the midst of a spike in cases.
Also, look at how much the lawmakers and governors are fighting against mask wearing.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/us/coronavirus-...
Also, look at how much the lawmakers and governors are fighting against mask wearing.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/us/coronavirus-...
Edited by unident on Monday 20th July 00:02
unident said:
I’ve just quoted exactly the same article. Look at who’s wearing the masks, the states that have been hit amd are coming out of it. Look who isn’t wearing them, those who are in the midst of a spike in cases.
Also, look at how much the lawmakers and governors are fighting against mask wearing.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/us/coronavirus-...
yet Also, look at how much the lawmakers and governors are fighting against mask wearing.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/us/coronavirus-...
Edited by unident on Monday 20th July 00:02
dhutch said:
Also the requirement is a face covering, not mask, so scarf t-shirt, etc.
Finally... After all these years I've been vindicated that pulling my t-shirt up over my nose when someone farts is a viable alternative to a chemical warfare respirator! 
I think they need to emphasise this though as a lot of people seem to be unaware that they already own suitable items. I think someone needs to look into the valved masks like Lewis Hamilton was wearing today though, whichever way round the valve is it's not a good idea.
The Spruce Goose said:
So you pick one map that measures a weighted figure, but then another that measures absolute numbers. Here’s the real data, it covers every country although I’ve filtered it to the US. It’s a mess and it’s only going to get worse as people continue to act all tough around the virus. The simple view is that everyone should do all they can to stop the spread of it. Much like the author of this thread and the person I originally replied to who have no idea, but like to act all tough anyway.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/...
unident said:
So you pick one map that measures a weighted figure, but then another that measures absolute numbers.
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Seemed pretty simple to me. Map of cases vs map of mask usage. You also seem to have missed the point that mask are compulsory in 3/4 of USA population (213 million) in public, yet cases still rising.../
tThe Spruce Goose said:
Seemed pretty simple to me. Map of cases vs map of mask usage. You also seem to have missed the point that mask are compulsory in 3/4 of USA population (213 million) in public, yet cases still rising...
That’s it really accurate is it. Masks are not compulsory at anywhere near that level. Pick any state where you believe that to be true and there will be a load of exceptions, or governors overturning city decisions, or law enforcement agencies refusing to enforce the rules and so on. What it does show is that the states with the most enforceable and strict laws around mask use are also the ones that were hit first
https://www.cnet.com/health/where-are-face-masks-r...
Anyway we’re miles off topic, so as has been pointed out there’s no value in carrying on the discussion.
WJNB said:
MB140 said:
Run out of masks. How do you get in to the shop to buy more. Don’t say online either as my dad asked me this exact question because he doesn’t even have a mobile that has internet. That’s just not an option for him. Now in his case I will obviously be supplying him with masks.
But what about those poor unfortunate souls amongst us who have nobody to fall back on.
Someone sent me this the other day at work. It seems to sum up the massive U Turn on face mask policy quite aptly.
You live in England what else do you expect?But what about those poor unfortunate souls amongst us who have nobody to fall back on.
Someone sent me this the other day at work. It seems to sum up the massive U Turn on face mask policy quite aptly.
Again we are the laughing stock of the world & I'm ashamed.
Are shops even obliged to refuse entry without a mask?
If not, while the likes of Tesco with on door security may refuse you entry, i cant imagine smaller shops/petrol stations will refuse entry as they will want the custom.
It would just be your risk that no police officer (who could be bothered) happened to drop by.....
If not, while the likes of Tesco with on door security may refuse you entry, i cant imagine smaller shops/petrol stations will refuse entry as they will want the custom.
It would just be your risk that no police officer (who could be bothered) happened to drop by.....
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