Speeding ticket, wasnt speeding and dodgy pics
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surveyor_101 said:
The top capture of speed shows 143m when they locked in 37mph. Think manual rear plate is a red herring, the Operator has not changed it to on coming (front plate) I don't fancy going to court with that defence.
So that 156 yards in old money, I am not a expert on these devices but that's what the black section shows!
Knowing that road its clearly 30, Exeter is also trailing a new CCTV mobile phone camera system on poles from a van to look into your car!
Normally the speed image bat would be overlaid clearly over the image of your car, the older LT20/20 used to target the number that crosshair.
So I get why the OP is concerned.
The images that are sent out or allowed to view, are at the SCP/police's discretion. In the first instance they don't have to make anything available although most do and are sent to assist, or jog the memory about the event as well as show (in the case of a front facing camera) a reasonable image of who was driving and that's it, they're not sent out so someone can attempted to pick them apart and try and find something wrong. The video and images they have will be much higher quality and if you start asking for better ones or that you're not happy with certain images and want to see better, their likely stance will be get stuffed and come to court if you want to see anything moreSo that 156 yards in old money, I am not a expert on these devices but that's what the black section shows!
Knowing that road its clearly 30, Exeter is also trailing a new CCTV mobile phone camera system on poles from a van to look into your car!
Normally the speed image bat would be overlaid clearly over the image of your car, the older LT20/20 used to target the number that crosshair.
So I get why the OP is concerned.
Edited by surveyor_101 on Thursday 16th March 13:47
If you are looking for loopholes then good luck!
Highly unlikely and a bugger to find if any. You will be looking for minutiae and unlikely to be any. Camera not calibrated, signage, NIP out of time, zone designation error plus others.
The probable offer is for a SAC. If eligible then accept it as the least painful option and move on.
Highly unlikely and a bugger to find if any. You will be looking for minutiae and unlikely to be any. Camera not calibrated, signage, NIP out of time, zone designation error plus others.
The probable offer is for a SAC. If eligible then accept it as the least painful option and move on.
martinbiz said:
The images that are sent out or allowed to view, are at the SCP/police's discretion. In the first instance they don't have to make anything available although most do and are sent to assist, or jog the memory about the event as well as show (in the case of a front facing camera) a reasonable image of who was driving and that's it, they're not sent out so someone can attempted to pick them apart and try and find something wrong. The video and images they have will be much higher quality and if you start asking for better ones or that you're not happy with certain images and want to see better, their likely stance will be get stuffed and come to court if you want to see anything more
Like clarkson says if you attacked/robbed in London they won't lose sleep finding the footage but speed or drive anywhere you shouldn't they will have crystal clear evidence to hammer you with! That's all the police/councils care about because minor motoring offences is MONEY!In terms of they don't have to give you the pics and data........ I know speed camera units are staffed by royalty but I am sure your can do a SAR (SUBJECT ACCESS REQUEST) and get all the images of you and your vehicles under that legislation... but your right they will also say we don't even have to show you how we caught you, but in reality I think there are ways and means!
Many forces are bent and play silly beggars and then claim they can't deal with your request! Many are staffed by staff who will stall, lie or in some cases I have seen then clearly refuse to carry out a lawful SAR.
In my experience if a decent solicitor puts a SAR in unless the scope of SAR falls outside certain criteria tends to get answered!
If you know what your doing there is always more than one way to skin a cat
Edited by surveyor_101 on Thursday 16th March 19:08
sospan said:
If you are looking for loopholes then good luck!
Highly unlikely and a bugger to find if any. You will be looking for minutiae and unlikely to be any. Camera not calibrated, signage, NIP out of time, zone designation error plus others.
The probable offer is for a SAC. If eligible then accept it as the least painful option and move on.
For the sake or 3 points and £100 fine 37 is not worth going to war. Unless you have a expert who can tear the camera unit to pieces you will be on a hiding to nothing. If you want to waste cash, or your 3 points off a major problem! Then AGTLAW is your man.Highly unlikely and a bugger to find if any. You will be looking for minutiae and unlikely to be any. Camera not calibrated, signage, NIP out of time, zone designation error plus others.
The probable offer is for a SAC. If eligible then accept it as the least painful option and move on.
Have they offer a Speed Awareness Patronisation Day? If you can stand being spoken to like a small child for 4 hours they can often be better.
surveyor_101 said:
martinbiz said:
The images that are sent out or allowed to view, are at the SCP/police's discretion. In the first instance they don't have to make anything available although most do and are sent to assist, or jog the memory about the event as well as show (in the case of a front facing camera) a reasonable image of who was driving and that's it, they're not sent out so someone can attempted to pick them apart and try and find something wrong. The video and images they have will be much higher quality and if you start asking for better ones or that you're not happy with certain images and want to see better, their likely stance will be get stuffed and come to court if you want to see anything more
Like clarkson says if you attacked/robbed in London they won't lose sleep finding the footage but speed or drive anywhere you shouldn't they will have crystal clear evidence to hammer you with! That's all the police/councils care about because minor motoring offences is MONEY!In terms of they don't have to give you the pics and data........ I know speed camera units are staffed by royalty but I am sure your can do a SAR (SUBJECT ACCESS REQUEST) and get all the images of you and your vehicles under that legislation... but your right they will also say we don't even have to show you how we caught you, but in reality I think there are ways and means!
Many forces are bent and play silly beggars and then claim they can't deal with your request! Many are staffed by staff who will stall, lie or in some cases I have seen then clearly refuse to carry out a lawful SAR.
In my experience if a decent solicitor puts a SAR in unless the scope of SAR falls outside certain criteria tends to get answered!
If you know what your doing there is always more than one way to skin a cat
Edited by surveyor_101 on Thursday 16th March 19:08
martinbiz said:
You put up consecutive posts, the first a load of BS waffle and the second almost verging on sensible??? What a strange fellow you are
You think that a subject access request is twaddle? Not all police are above the law, only the lodge members lolMy advice not fight or at least speak to AGT Law still stands but SAR should get the info the OP needs and is not outside the scope of the act or unreasonable for them to collate and too costly above the threshold,......so on and so forth!
martinbiz said:
That was the sensible bit
I guess you are a government service droid with a collar number? As you don't answer basic legal questions like about the fact that a SAR should be able to get details of information held on the OP and His car should be disclosed!Yeh going to town with a safety camera unit over 37 in 30 is not worth it in 99/100 cases is sounds advice. Technical defences with JPs don't go down that well, as said in another thread JPs are often teachers or ex coppers and will automatically trust police evidence.
sospan said:
I sense a bag of chips on surveyor’s shoulders!
Plenty of vinegar too.
Not worth any arguments.
OP, choose your battles well. Fight the ones with a good chance of success. Don’t get sucked into fighting on principles or dogma/irrational tripe.
I raise a valid point on doing a SAR and people on here go your talking tosh just to belittle people. He has not told me the SAR is not a legal and legitimate way for the OP to get the speeding data and any videos or images, in my mind it is valid point.Plenty of vinegar too.
Not worth any arguments.
OP, choose your battles well. Fight the ones with a good chance of success. Don’t get sucked into fighting on principles or dogma/irrational tripe.
BertBert said:
You cannot use a SAR to see the evidence against you!
This happened devon - exeter to barnstable https://www.devon-cornwall.police.uk/rqo/request/r...taken from there site>
You have the right to ask us if we're processing your personal data and, if so, to access your personal data. This is known as your right of access. Making a request is known as a right of access request or subject access request.
UK GDPR Article 15 DPA 2018 (Section 43) gives you this right.
But we may restrict access, in full or in part, in some circumstances. For example:
if disclosure impacts on the rights and freedoms of others
if it impacts on an ongoing investigation
to protect national security, or
if it's clearly unfounded
If we do restrict access to your personal data, in full or in part, we'll tell you why.
My last speeding ticket was some time ago, I requested all the data most of which I had access to via their website (Not D&C). Even got a video 2017 I think of me approaching and got my speed. Caught me leaving a village like 300 yards from the 40Mph gateway signs, I had accelerated early to 36! The video would clear a lot up as it shows what the operator did.
On the balance it seems the OP was clocked before he saw the gun/van don't come to somerset they have guns on motorbikes and get people from farm entrances and even the PCSOs are Road Police Officers!
Edited by surveyor_101 on Saturday 18th March 16:44
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