Caught speeding, lesson learned
Discussion
Puzzles said:
Simpo Two said:
We may live in a peacetime version of the Gestapo but we haven't got to £1,000 fine for doing 42 in a 30 yet.
BertBert said:
What nonsense is this? 42 in a 30 is the top of the band for a SAC. What's happening to this place?
I’d had a course within the last 3 years. I have no mitigation against why i was doing 42 other than not paying attention to the speedo. The car is an auto which makes unintended progress easier to fall into. If i had noticed my speed sooner then I would have slowed down a little for sure, camera van or otherwise. Pre-speeding scare - probably not as low as 30 but post-scare, I now do the indicated limit.username_checksout said:
I’d had a course within the last 3 years. I have no mitigation against why i was doing 42 other than not paying attention to the speedo. The car is an auto which makes unintended progress easier to fall into. If i had noticed my speed sooner then I would have slowed down a little for sure, camera van or otherwise. Pre-speeding scare - probably not as low as 30 but post-scare, I now do the indicated limit.
But do you still believe that idea you were on the cards for 6 points or a ban?
Simpo Two said:
Durzel said:
Don’t speed past schools, there’s a good chap.
Some 30s are overzealous, one’s next to schools aren’t (I’d argue should probably be 20)
And in the school holidays when the place is closed and nobody about?Some 30s are overzealous, one’s next to schools aren’t (I’d argue should probably be 20)
BertBert said:
username_checksout said:
I’d had a course within the last 3 years. I have no mitigation against why i was doing 42 other than not paying attention to the speedo. The car is an auto which makes unintended progress easier to fall into. If i had noticed my speed sooner then I would have slowed down a little for sure, camera van or otherwise. Pre-speeding scare - probably not as low as 30 but post-scare, I now do the indicated limit.
But do you still believe that idea you were on the cards for 6 points or a ban?Now that may or may not be correct; nobody here has given a de facto answer as to why the above sentencing would never have happened. The point is is that the notion of the Band B penalties are all it took to heighten my awareness and change my driving habits. It was a wake up call.
username_checksout said:
Initially yes because my searches that evening indicated it was a Band B offence - not everybody gets the same results from Google. This just now from the RAC site for example:
Now that may or may not be correct; nobody here has given a de facto answer as to why the above sentencing would never have happened. The point is is that the notion of the Band B penalties are all it took to heighten my awareness and change my driving habits. It was a wake up call.
The , as you put it, de facto answer is right there at the top of the page you posted. Now that may or may not be correct; nobody here has given a de facto answer as to why the above sentencing would never have happened. The point is is that the notion of the Band B penalties are all it took to heighten my awareness and change my driving habits. It was a wake up call.
“If you are subsequently found guilty in court”
It is NEVER going to court for 12mph over the limit!
Edited by Oceanrower on Sunday 26th May 16:05
Oceanrower said:
The , as you put it, de facto answer is right there at the top of the page you posted.
“If you are subsequently found guilty in court”
It is NEVER going to court for 12mph over the limit!
Devil is in the detail. Fair point but my (mis)understanding was that for 12mph over 30, outside 2 schools would be a summons and then whatever was deemed suitable punishment. About 20 years ago I was zapped at 9.30 at night by a copper with a handheld gun and received through the post - and this is absolutely gospel truth - 6 points, a court appearance and a £300 fine for doing 33 in a 30 on the inner double-carriageway ring road of Norwich. A police-friend pointed me towards the guidelines where it showed 33 was in a discretionary area. I had my day in court appealing the severity and it was reduced to 3 points and £60 fine. Hence my alarm at being 12mph over when I can still recall what happened when I was caught at 3mph over.“If you are subsequently found guilty in court”
It is NEVER going to court for 12mph over the limit!
Edited by Oceanrower on Sunday 26th May 16:05
username_checksout said:
Can somebody post a link to a site that *doesn't* state a possible ban and/or 6 points etc. because I can't find anything to the contrary of my original search.
You could try this one if you wanted to know whether your case was likely to end up in court or not:https://library.college.police.uk/docs/appref/ACPO...
The table at paragraph 9.6 will help you with that.
Then if necessary you could try this one to tell you what is likely to happen if you do end up in court:
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magi...
These are fairly reliable. The first is the guidance produced by the Association of Chief Police Officers and which was adopted by the National Police Chiefs' Council when the ACPO was abolished. All police forces in England & Wales are said to comply with it.
The second is the definitive sentencing guideline issued by the Sentencing Council. It is what Magistrates use when sentencing speeding offences in court.
I would be bold and say that these two taken together are far more reliable than anything published by any motoring organisation or on any other website, and even go so far as to say they are more reliable than anything published by the government.
Sheepshanks said:
Oceanrower said:
The , as you put it, de facto answer is right there at the top of the page you posted.
“If you are subsequently found guilty in court”
It is NEVER going to court for 12mph over the limit!
NEVER? “If you are subsequently found guilty in court”
It is NEVER going to court for 12mph over the limit!
Edited by JagLad on Sunday 26th May 17:46
JagLad said:
username_checksout said:
Can somebody post a link to a site that *doesn't* state a possible ban and/or 6 points etc. because I can't find anything to the contrary of my original search.
You could try this one if you wanted to know whether your case was likely to end up in court or not:https://library.college.police.uk/docs/appref/ACPO...
The table at paragraph 9.6 will help you with that.
Then if necessary you could try this one to tell you what is likely to happen if you do end up in court:
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magi...
These are fairly reliable. The first is the guidance produced by the Association of Chief Police Officers and which was adopted by the National Police Chiefs' Council when the ACPO was abolished. All police forces in England & Wales are said to comply with it.
The second is the definitive sentencing guideline issued by the Sentencing Council. It is what Magistrates use when sentencing speeding offences in court.
I would be bold and say that these two taken together are far more reliable than anything published by any motoring organisation or on any other website, and even go so far as to say they are more reliable than anything published by the government.
username_checksout said:
About 20 years ago I was zapped at 9.30 at night by a copper with a handheld gun and received through the post - and this is absolutely gospel truth - 6 points, a court appearance and a £300 fine for doing 33 in a 30 on the inner double-carriageway ring road of Norwich. A police-friend pointed me towards the guidelines where it showed 33 was in a discretionary area. I had my day in court appealing the severity and it was reduced to 3 points and £60 fine. Hence my alarm at being 12mph over when I can still recall what happened when I was caught at 3mph over.
You don't recall it very well - whatever happened it can't possibly be anything like what you described. Sheepshanks said:
username_checksout said:
About 20 years ago I was zapped at 9.30 at night by a copper with a handheld gun and received through the post - and this is absolutely gospel truth - 6 points, a court appearance and a £300 fine for doing 33 in a 30 on the inner double-carriageway ring road of Norwich. A police-friend pointed me towards the guidelines where it showed 33 was in a discretionary area. I had my day in court appealing the severity and it was reduced to 3 points and £60 fine. Hence my alarm at being 12mph over when I can still recall what happened when I was caught at 3mph over.
You don't recall it very well - whatever happened it can't possibly be anything like what you described. username_checksout said:
Sheepshanks said:
username_checksout said:
About 20 years ago I was zapped at 9.30 at night by a copper with a handheld gun and received through the post - and this is absolutely gospel truth - 6 points, a court appearance and a £300 fine for doing 33 in a 30 on the inner double-carriageway ring road of Norwich. A police-friend pointed me towards the guidelines where it showed 33 was in a discretionary area. I had my day in court appealing the severity and it was reduced to 3 points and £60 fine. Hence my alarm at being 12mph over when I can still recall what happened when I was caught at 3mph over.
You don't recall it very well - whatever happened it can't possibly be anything like what you described. Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff