Police Forces to merge - Good or Bad idea?
Discussion
Streamlined - Less
Efficient - Even less
Modern - Nobody home after 6pm at local stations
Effective - Paperwork in order
When Thatcher tried to centralise the service, there were howls of protest from high level cops. My
are straining, but I don't hear a peep out of them now, Bar West Mercia.
More dictat from on high, less understanding of local situations, more injuries to cops, more deaths in cells, less listening to and acting on feedback from the rank and file or the public. Cheaper, nastier, less tolerable for employees and J. Public.
Bad news.
Efficient - Even less
Modern - Nobody home after 6pm at local stations
Effective - Paperwork in order
When Thatcher tried to centralise the service, there were howls of protest from high level cops. My
are straining, but I don't hear a peep out of them now, Bar West Mercia. More dictat from on high, less understanding of local situations, more injuries to cops, more deaths in cells, less listening to and acting on feedback from the rank and file or the public. Cheaper, nastier, less tolerable for employees and J. Public.
Bad news.
No DVD I'm not interested in Sheriff of West Yorkshire thank you very much for asking though guv'nor. I would only have to take one glance at Maid Marian and Mrs FiF would be down the new kitchen outfitters like a shot with the glint of marble worktops in her eyes.
This is a precursor to a National Force, make no mistake. So if that is what is wanted then do it, and make a proper balls up of it, pardon my French. Why do it in stages?
We (West Mercia) have stood up and been counted. The public have also stood up and been counted. Roughly 90% of those consulted have gone absolutely for the Greta Garbot "Ve vant to be alone."
The message is a very firm WE DO NOT WANT TO JOIN UP WITH THE YAM-YAMs.
It is possible for co-operation across forces, for example Central Motorway Patrol Group, various air support units around the country.
I fear this is a done deal, but at least I can sleep straight at night because I for one have tried.
If you knew how much Jug Ears has offered in extra funding to make sure that the mergers are declared as the preferred option you'd know it's a done deal. The turkeys voting for Christmas (i.e. the authorities saying they want to merge) are just being spineless. This is another smokescreen that the Govt can throw up when the evidence of what is really happening out there emerges, gun crime up, reoffending rates up.... oh bollox I could go on but will spoil my manners.
Bigger is not better.
This is a precursor to a National Force, make no mistake. So if that is what is wanted then do it, and make a proper balls up of it, pardon my French. Why do it in stages?
We (West Mercia) have stood up and been counted. The public have also stood up and been counted. Roughly 90% of those consulted have gone absolutely for the Greta Garbot "Ve vant to be alone."
The message is a very firm WE DO NOT WANT TO JOIN UP WITH THE YAM-YAMs.
It is possible for co-operation across forces, for example Central Motorway Patrol Group, various air support units around the country.
I fear this is a done deal, but at least I can sleep straight at night because I for one have tried.
If you knew how much Jug Ears has offered in extra funding to make sure that the mergers are declared as the preferred option you'd know it's a done deal. The turkeys voting for Christmas (i.e. the authorities saying they want to merge) are just being spineless. This is another smokescreen that the Govt can throw up when the evidence of what is really happening out there emerges, gun crime up, reoffending rates up.... oh bollox I could go on but will spoil my manners.
Bigger is not better.
The Beeb just covered the proposed merger of four Midlands forces. Clearly Auntie is a supporter of the mergers (are you suprised at that, coming as it does from the mouthpiece of Nu Labia?). The programme claimed that people in The Midlands welcomed it. The first interviewee said, "If it means more police on the streets". The second, third and fourth said more or less the same. I bet the interviewer didn't explain it would most probably mean fewer BiB around ... especially in the rural areas (are there any in the Midlands? dives for cover) - Streaky
streaky said:
The Beeb just covered the proposed merger of four Midlands forces. Clearly Auntie is a supporter of the mergers (are you suprised at that, coming as it does from the mouthpiece of Nu Labia?). The programme claimed that people in The Midlands welcomed it. The first interviewee said, "If it means more police on the streets". The second, third and fourth said more or less the same. I bet the interviewer didn't explain it would most probably mean fewer BiB around ... especially in the rural areas (are there any in the Midlands? dives for cover) - Streaky
Just in case any of you would like to believe the Beeb over my comments above the interim position of one public consultation excercise is here. This was position at end of November and it got more definite towards the end of the consultation.
www.westmerciapoliceauthority.gov.uk/content.php?getid=1575
BBC Blair's Broadcasting Corporation ..... pah spineless bum sucking brown nosing cretins
>> Edited by Flat in Fifth on Thursday 22 December 19:23
Flat in Fifth said:
BBC Blair's Broadcasting Corporation ..... pah spineless bum sucking brown nosing cretins
Certainly seem to have less beef about them since Greg Dyke got stiffed over the Iraq Dossier enquiry. Turns out Blair was lying through his teeth, (no surprise there then) but does our Greg get reinstated? Of course not. Yes men all the way from here to 2009.
TonyRec said:
I dont know but i would like to know.You certainly wont see a CC going against the grain, if they do, they dont last long.
Then why the hell is Brownshirt Führer still in a job??? He's blatantly incompetent according to his area, he's blatantly anti-car but pro-drugs....a loose cannon is very mild for someone who obviously wouldn't pass the exit exam for the local looniebin!!! A slick policitian arse-licker.....
JMGS4 said:
I dont know but i would like to know.You certainly wont see a CC going against the grain, if they do, they dont last long.
Then why the hell is Brownshirt Führer still in a job??? He's blatantly incompetent according to his area, he's blatantly anti-car but pro-drugs....a loose cannon is very mild for someone who obviously wouldn't pass the exit exam for the local looniebin!!! A slick policitian arse-licker.....
I was thinking this myself on the way home last night. Isn't Prescott the only one with power to sack these CCs? and I can't think of anyone else who'd have the power to control them, look at the CC Durham, he is doing his own thing (anti camera) and is still around
apache said:
I dont know but i would like to know.You certainly wont see a CC going against the grain, if they do, they dont last long.
Then why the hell is Brownshirt Führer still in a job??? He's blatantly incompetent according to his area, he's blatantly anti-car but pro-drugs....a loose cannon is very mild for someone who obviously wouldn't pass the exit exam for the local looniebin!!! A slick policitian arse-licker.....
I was thinking this myself on the way home last night. Isn't Prescott the only one with power to sack these CCs? and I can't think of anyone else who'd have the power to control them, look at the CC Durham, he is doing his own thing (anti camera) and is still around
The Home Sec has overall power but what about the board of Governers for each Police area?
If they really want them out, they will get them out.....no ifs or buts about that one IMHO.
Police Reform Act 2002:
"(1) The Secretary of State may-
(a) require the Metropolitan Police Authority to exercise its power under section 9E to call upon the Commissioner or Deputy Commissioner, in the interests of efficiency or effectiveness, to retire or to resign; or
(b) require a police authority maintaining a police force under section 2 to exercise its power under section 11 to call upon the chief constable of that force, in the interests of efficiency or effectiveness, to retire or to resign.
Ex Chief Constable of Humberside re the Soham Intelligence blunder?
dvd
"(1) The Secretary of State may-
(a) require the Metropolitan Police Authority to exercise its power under section 9E to call upon the Commissioner or Deputy Commissioner, in the interests of efficiency or effectiveness, to retire or to resign; or
(b) require a police authority maintaining a police force under section 2 to exercise its power under section 11 to call upon the chief constable of that force, in the interests of efficiency or effectiveness, to retire or to resign.
Ex Chief Constable of Humberside re the Soham Intelligence blunder?
dvd
Fantastic!......Some brilliant replies on this post, I've enjoyed reading it immensely 
It's true I think that: "the bigger the organisation, the bigger the tw*t at the top" and the first thing he will be looking for is: .......Savings, cuts, efficiencies, "modern working prodceedures", etc.....Yes! in industry we have heard ALL these expressions and MORE for YEARS, Nay, DECADES now from the "Top Jobbies".....
WARNING!........If you're a shop floor copper.......Watch the B*stids!......
And for the Public?.........the bigger the organisation, the further removed from reality these people are, they believe in things like "statistics"......graphs, expeniture, cost benefit analisys
even to things that are unpredictable and vital to peoples lives. EVERYTHING in their world comes down to a finacial cost!......
The "bottom line" on the costs sheet is ALL that matters.. They haven't a clue what you're talking about when you complain of the state of "law enforcement in your area"
They, are NOT even proper coppers.......like our Politicians, they are now: Career Policemen...only aiming for the top.
They are a disgrace to those that serve below them...
>> Edited by 8Pack on Saturday 24th December 01:12
It's true I think that: "the bigger the organisation, the bigger the tw*t at the top" and the first thing he will be looking for is: .......Savings, cuts, efficiencies, "modern working prodceedures", etc.....Yes! in industry we have heard ALL these expressions and MORE for YEARS, Nay, DECADES now from the "Top Jobbies".....
WARNING!........If you're a shop floor copper.......Watch the B*stids!......
And for the Public?.........the bigger the organisation, the further removed from reality these people are, they believe in things like "statistics"......graphs, expeniture, cost benefit analisys
even to things that are unpredictable and vital to peoples lives. EVERYTHING in their world comes down to a finacial cost!...... The "bottom line" on the costs sheet is ALL that matters.. They haven't a clue what you're talking about when you complain of the state of "law enforcement in your area"
They, are NOT even proper coppers.......like our Politicians, they are now: Career Policemen...only aiming for the top.
They are a disgrace to those that serve below them...
>> Edited by 8Pack on Saturday 24th December 01:12
8Pack said:Oh, I disagree strongly with this description. They are "Career Managers". Policing is something about which they care very little. As they rise, their job description changes. Quickly they become "Career Bullsh1tters". At least one has reached the lofty heights of a "Career BLiar".
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They, are NOT even proper coppers.......like our Politicians, they are now: Career Policemen...only aiming for the top.
They are a disgrace to those that serve below them.
Streaky
Edited to correct error in verb tense - S
>> Edited by streaky on Saturday 24th December 15:27
streaky said:
[ ... ]
They, are NOT even proper coppers.......like our Politicians, they are now: Career Policemen...only aiming for the top.
They are a disgrace to those that serve below them.
Streaky
There is definately some truth in what you say.
8Pack said:
Fantastic!......Some brilliant replies on this post, I've enjoyed reading it immensely
It's true I think that: "the bigger the organisation, the bigger the tw*t at the top" and the first thing he will be looking for is: .......Savings, cuts, efficiencies, "modern working prodceedures", etc.....Yes! in industry we have heard ALL these expressions and MORE for YEARS, Nay, DECADES now from the "Top Jobbies".....
WARNING!........If you're a shop floor copper.......Watch the B*stids!......
'Cos despite the claims of efficiency savings coming from the merger, the bureaucrats will all keep their jobs and any savings will have to be made by the people who do the actual work - the BiB. It's the same everywhere.
TonyRec said:
I for one think it would be a good idea to reduce the number of forces to around 12.
From what i have seen, theres too much red tape restricting the way the job is done, with different types of equipment, individual force area boundarys, the different ways that crimes are investigated and the way that both process and prisoners are subsequently dealt with.
On the downside, a number of Chief Constables and 'other' high ranking Officers would have to move or lose their jobs but im not sure that this would be a bad thing
What do you think?
Should have happened a long time ago. Had a CC or one of his lakies on the telly the other morning saying it was a bad idea because "it would make hundreds of senior and experienced police officers redundant" - No sh1t sherlock - the guy would be dangerous if he had a few more brain cells.
The "local" argument is rubbish as well - is your local store any more local because it is part of a national chain? Does National Grid or the AA strugle to dispatch a rescue vehicle to your location because the call centre is hundreds of miles away?
The only concern is around why 12 forces? Is it only coicedence that the 12 forces map directly to the 12 EU regions covering the UK? It is not a precurser to a national force but an EU force.
[quote=bluepolarbear
Should have happened a long time ago. Had a CC or one of his lakies on the telly the other morning saying it was a bad idea because "it would make hundreds of senior and experienced police officers redundant" - No sh1t sherlock - the guy would be dangerous if he had a few more brain cells.
The "local" argument is rubbish as well - is your local store any more local because it is part of a national chain? Does National Grid or the AA strugle to dispatch a rescue vehicle to your location because the call centre is hundreds of miles away?
The only concern is around why 12 forces? Is it only coicedence that the 12 forces map directly to the 12 EU regions covering the UK? It is not a precurser to a national force but an EU force.[/quote]
Exactly. Well spotted Sir.
I had a letter saying the same thing published in a Welsh newspaper some time ago when this was first mooted. Peter Hain said he wanted one Welsh police force and would not consider merging North Wales with Cheshire or Lancashire.
This is yet another step towards regionalisation of the UK. England will disappear as a country and will be ( already has been) broken into 8 EU Regions plus Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Greater London.
What is amazing is that so few people have realised the truth behind this proposal. It is nothing to do with greater efficiency or crime busting.
Neither was the creation of the Welsh Assembly a step towards self government for Wales. It is all part of the break up of the UK by treacherous politicians. Doubters should look at their Electoral Register. Mine has the first line: Wales; a Region of Europe
Should have happened a long time ago. Had a CC or one of his lakies on the telly the other morning saying it was a bad idea because "it would make hundreds of senior and experienced police officers redundant" - No sh1t sherlock - the guy would be dangerous if he had a few more brain cells.
The "local" argument is rubbish as well - is your local store any more local because it is part of a national chain? Does National Grid or the AA strugle to dispatch a rescue vehicle to your location because the call centre is hundreds of miles away?
The only concern is around why 12 forces? Is it only coicedence that the 12 forces map directly to the 12 EU regions covering the UK? It is not a precurser to a national force but an EU force.[/quote]
Exactly. Well spotted Sir.
I had a letter saying the same thing published in a Welsh newspaper some time ago when this was first mooted. Peter Hain said he wanted one Welsh police force and would not consider merging North Wales with Cheshire or Lancashire.
This is yet another step towards regionalisation of the UK. England will disappear as a country and will be ( already has been) broken into 8 EU Regions plus Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Greater London.
What is amazing is that so few people have realised the truth behind this proposal. It is nothing to do with greater efficiency or crime busting.
Neither was the creation of the Welsh Assembly a step towards self government for Wales. It is all part of the break up of the UK by treacherous politicians. Doubters should look at their Electoral Register. Mine has the first line: Wales; a Region of Europe
Does it really matter ? All we need is a central 0871 nunber manned by a call centre in India, they only despatch officers when there's a chance of the offender having enough cash to pay a fine and the fine to be collected either immediately or via Inland Revenue.
There will be cameras to monitor all town centres, private security forces run by the local town centres will manage drunks (got to get the alcohol tax) who will fine them then hand them over to the mags court for central government taxing.
Drivers will be taxed by the mile and for exceeding any sped limit, for parking and for carrying less than 4 people.
As much will be outsourced as possible so they can reduce the number of plod so 'fixing' the pensions black hole that has existed for the last 15 years . . .
The future is black, the future is New Labia.
There will be cameras to monitor all town centres, private security forces run by the local town centres will manage drunks (got to get the alcohol tax) who will fine them then hand them over to the mags court for central government taxing.
Drivers will be taxed by the mile and for exceeding any sped limit, for parking and for carrying less than 4 people.
As much will be outsourced as possible so they can reduce the number of plod so 'fixing' the pensions black hole that has existed for the last 15 years . . .
The future is black, the future is New Labia.
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