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People in the house behind us (they rent it, so maybe that makes a difference?) set off rockets that wouldn't have been out of place at WaltDisneyWorld. Several of them came down on our roof and made hefty thumps as they hit. There were also half a dozen on the ground around ours, and neighbours, cars at the front of the house - some still had plastic tops intact and would certainly have damaged the cars if they'd hit them.
quiet here too this year.
There was very little around 5 Nov, ie the first and last bangs heard were about 10 days apart - very different from previous years.
On New Years eve there were a few isolated bangs from about 10pm, then operation desert storm at bang on 12 for about 15 minutes. Tailed off, and was all quiet again for about 12:45.
There was very little around 5 Nov, ie the first and last bangs heard were about 10 days apart - very different from previous years.
On New Years eve there were a few isolated bangs from about 10pm, then operation desert storm at bang on 12 for about 15 minutes. Tailed off, and was all quiet again for about 12:45.
dcb said:
Over the firework season, the pet dog wouldn't go out of the house
from mid-October to late November. Plenty of ruined carpets.
Lovely.
We also had a lot of fireworks on Christmas Eve.
Pet dog very scared last night. It dumped a load on the
carpet overnite.
I think there's a market for silent or reduced noise fireworks.
This is the same as:
"I got pissed out of my mind and was run over crossing the road, lets ban cars"
"My child stuck its finger in an electric socket and died lets return to gas"
"I stood behind a rally car and a stone knocked my eye out lets ban rallying"
"I looked at the sun though my binoculars and I am now blind lets bomb the sun"
The reason your carpets are covered in shite is because you have a bloody dog. If you want your house to be a pooh free zone get rid of the dog. Its not rocket science, but please don't complain about fireworks you made a choice to have an animal in your house and thats the issue not the fireworks.
To some degree Nonners, what you say is true.....after all: Gun dogs are trained to ignore and be unafraid of a gunshot.......cavalry horses during war...likewise.
Therefore a pet should be trained how to be unafraid of sudden loud noises like this. We used to look after a Spaniel when his owner was away.....he used to be as happy as Larry to watch the fireworks.....because his owner had taken the trouble to train him from a puppy.
BTW He also LOVED sitting in the front seat of fast cars with his nose near the screen and leaning around every bend!.....
Bless him! he's gone now......
>> Edited by 8Pack on Monday 2nd January 02:55
Therefore a pet should be trained how to be unafraid of sudden loud noises like this. We used to look after a Spaniel when his owner was away.....he used to be as happy as Larry to watch the fireworks.....because his owner had taken the trouble to train him from a puppy.
BTW He also LOVED sitting in the front seat of fast cars with his nose near the screen and leaning around every bend!.....
Bless him! he's gone now...... >> Edited by 8Pack on Monday 2nd January 02:55
8Pack said:
To some degree Nonners, what you say is true.....after all: Gun dogs are trained to ignore and be unafraid of a gunshot.......cavalry horses during war...likewise.
So which bit don't you agree with? I am not trying to stop people doing anything except stopping people doing anything.
nonegreen said:
To some degree Nonners, what you say is true.....after all: Gun dogs are trained to ignore and be unafraid of a gunshot.......cavalry horses during war...likewise.
So which bit don't you agree with? I am not trying to stop people doing anything except stopping people doing anything.
Well, I don't agree with anyone doing....anything! Can't do that can we?.......
So "rights and responsbilities" take a part here, and consideration for others.
So, (not quite sure Nonners what your objection is?) If say you want to let off a lot of fireworks at midnight, isn't it neighbourly to ask: Do you mind? just this once?.........
At least then they would know in advance......
nonegreen said:
This is the same as:
Fair opinion, but I don't think so.
Fireworks: a few people at the event see a nice display and a lot
of loud bangs, far more people suffer the inconvenience of pets
and small children going thru the wringer.
I think more people are inconvenienced than are entertained by the show.
Hence I don't like fireworks - there is on balance too much downside.
nonegreen said:
Over the firework season, the pet dog wouldn't go out of the house
from mid-October to late November. Plenty of ruined carpets.
Lovely.
We also had a lot of fireworks on Christmas Eve.
Pet dog very scared last night. It dumped a load on the
carpet overnite.
I think there's a market for silent or reduced noise fireworks.
This is the same as:
"I got pissed out of my mind and was run over crossing the road, lets ban cars"
"My child stuck its finger in an electric socket and died lets return to gas"
"I stood behind a rally car and a stone knocked my eye out lets ban rallying"
"I looked at the sun though my binoculars and I am now blind lets bomb the sun"
The reason your carpets are covered in shite is because you have a bloody dog. If you want your house to be a pooh free zone get rid of the dog. Its not rocket science, but please don't complain about fireworks you made a choice to have an animal in your house and thats the issue not the fireworks.
The reason your carpets are covered in shite is because you have a bloody dog.Why stop there?
The reason his carpets are covered in shite is because he can't afford a wood floor. Let's ban poor people.
He close to live in a house, he could be a pikie instead. Let's ban houses.
He picked a house which had neighbours. Let's ban neighbours.
I'm sure I could think a few few other totally ridiculous statements, but point made I think.
We all have choices, we all choose to live in whatever way we wish. Freedom of choice, which I believe in your misguided way seems to be the gist of your "argument". We do however have to accept that we live as part of a society, and this imposes responsibilities on the individual. Other members of that society make the choice of pet ownership, and who are you to judge that their choice is less valid than yours?
We should be aware of others, and in particular be aware of when our actions/choices impinge on the lives of others. Yes, we have some freedom of choice, but like all freedoms it is tempered by the reality of living as part of a society. Irresponsible use of fireworks has already led to a revision of the law with regard to firework use - an explicit recognition that the selfish actions of a few in exercising their "freedom of choice" is considered unacceptable to society as a whole. That legislation left the door open for stricter controls should the present ones not sufficiently address the problem. If those fervently passionate about expressing their "freeedom of choice" continue to do so with no regard for those around them they will inevitably have even more to moan about when fireworks are completely banned.
I no more agree that dogs should be allowed to bark unrestrained, or foul the footpaths. As a dog owner we have been subject to harrassment from rabid anti-dog neighbours who made malicious complaints about our own dogs to the council, so I am well aware that laws exist and enforcement does work - even when the nuisance is made up. I wish more was done to enforce dog fouling laws; I have lost count of the number of times I have trod in dog dirt while retrieving my own dogs business. I am not averse to picking up others dirt and handing it to them if the opportunity arises, but this is not a very English thing to do. Most people will just mutter loudly to no-one in particular (or probably their dog) and give a withering look to the offender, who will assume a "not bovvered" attitude.
dcb didn't call for a firework ban, he suggested some reasonable and responsible steps that could be taken to allow one section of society to continue to express their own freedom of choice, while reducing the negative impact of that on another section of society who are unduly affected by that choice. Perfectly reasonable. The two sectors are not mutually exclusive either, and nor are dog owners the only ones affected; many children are also similarly frightened, as are plenty of adults who have been on the receiving end of errant fireworks.
Just like power is nothing withot control, freedom is nothing without responsibiity.
victormeldrew said:
Over the firework season, the pet dog wouldn't go out of the house
from mid-October to late November. Plenty of ruined carpets.
Lovely.
We also had a lot of fireworks on Christmas Eve.
Pet dog very scared last night. It dumped a load on the
carpet overnite.
I think there's a market for silent or reduced noise fireworks.
This is the same as:
"I got pissed out of my mind and was run over crossing the road, lets ban cars"
"My child stuck its finger in an electric socket and died lets return to gas"
"I stood behind a rally car and a stone knocked my eye out lets ban rallying"
"I looked at the sun though my binoculars and I am now blind lets bomb the sun"
The reason your carpets are covered in shite is because you have a bloody dog. If you want your house to be a pooh free zone get rid of the dog. Its not rocket science, but please don't complain about fireworks you made a choice to have an animal in your house and thats the issue not the fireworks.
The reason your carpets are covered in shite is because you have a bloody dog.Why stop there?
The reason his carpets are covered in shite is because he can't afford a wood floor. Let's ban poor people.
He close to live in a house, he could be a pikie instead. Let's ban houses.
He picked a house which had neighbours. Let's ban neighbours.
I'm sure I could think a few few other totally ridiculous statements, but point made I think.
We all have choices, we all choose to live in whatever way we wish. Freedom of choice, which I believe in your misguided way seems to be the gist of your "argument". We do however have to accept that we live as part of a society, and this imposes responsibilities on the individual. Other members of that society make the choice of pet ownership, and who are you to judge that their choice is less valid than yours?
We should be aware of others, and in particular be aware of when our actions/choices impinge on the lives of others. Yes, we have some freedom of choice, but like all freedoms it is tempered by the reality of living as part of a society. Irresponsible use of fireworks has already led to a revision of the law with regard to firework use - an explicit recognition that the selfish actions of a few in exercising their "freedom of choice" is considered unacceptable to society as a whole. That legislation left the door open for stricter controls should the present ones not sufficiently address the problem. If those fervently passionate about expressing their "freeedom of choice" continue to do so with no regard for those around them they will inevitably have even more to moan about when fireworks are completely banned.
I no more agree that dogs should be allowed to bark unrestrained, or foul the footpaths. As a dog owner we have been subject to harrassment from rabid anti-dog neighbours who made malicious complaints about our own dogs to the council, so I am well aware that laws exist and enforcement does work - even when the nuisance is made up. I wish more was done to enforce dog fouling laws; I have lost count of the number of times I have trod in dog dirt while retrieving my own dogs business. I am not averse to picking up others dirt and handing it to them if the opportunity arises, but this is not a very English thing to do. Most people will just mutter loudly to no-one in particular (or probably their dog) and give a withering look to the offender, who will assume a "not bovvered" attitude.
dcb didn't call for a firework ban, he suggested some reasonable and responsible steps that could be taken to allow one section of society to continue to express their own freedom of choice, while reducing the negative impact of that on another section of society who are unduly affected by that choice. Perfectly reasonable. The two sectors are not mutually exclusive either, and nor are dog owners the only ones affected; many children are also similarly frightened, as are plenty of adults who have been on the receiving end of errant fireworks.
Just like power is nothing withot control, freedom is nothing without responsibiity.
victormeldrew said:
Over the firework season, the pet dog wouldn't go out of the house
from mid-October to late November. Plenty of ruined carpets.
Lovely.
We also had a lot of fireworks on Christmas Eve.
Pet dog very scared last night. It dumped a load on the
carpet overnite.
I think there's a market for silent or reduced noise fireworks.
This is the same as:
"I got pissed out of my mind and was run over crossing the road, lets ban cars"
"My child stuck its finger in an electric socket and died lets return to gas"
"I stood behind a rally car and a stone knocked my eye out lets ban rallying"
"I looked at the sun though my binoculars and I am now blind lets bomb the sun"
The reason your carpets are covered in shite is because you have a bloody dog. If you want your house to be a pooh free zone get rid of the dog. Its not rocket science, but please don't complain about fireworks you made a choice to have an animal in your house and thats the issue not the fireworks.
The reason your carpets are covered in shite is because you have a bloody dog.Why stop there?
The reason his carpets are covered in shite is because he can't afford a wood floor. Let's ban poor people.
He close to live in a house, he could be a pikie instead. Let's ban houses.
He picked a house which had neighbours. Let's ban neighbours.
I'm sure I could think a few few other totally ridiculous statements, but point made I think.
We all have choices, we all choose to live in whatever way we wish. Freedom of choice, which I believe in your misguided way seems to be the gist of your "argument". We do however have to accept that we live as part of a society, and this imposes responsibilities on the individual. Other members of that society make the choice of pet ownership, and who are you to judge that their choice is less valid than yours?
We should be aware of others, and in particular be aware of when our actions/choices impinge on the lives of others. Yes, we have some freedom of choice, but like all freedoms it is tempered by the reality of living as part of a society. Irresponsible use of fireworks has already led to a revision of the law with regard to firework use - an explicit recognition that the selfish actions of a few in exercising their "freedom of choice" is considered unacceptable to society as a whole. That legislation left the door open for stricter controls should the present ones not sufficiently address the problem. If those fervently passionate about expressing their "freeedom of choice" continue to do so with no regard for those around them they will inevitably have even more to moan about when fireworks are completely banned.
I no more agree that dogs should be allowed to bark unrestrained, or foul the footpaths. As a dog owner we have been subject to harrassment from rabid anti-dog neighbours who made malicious complaints about our own dogs to the council, so I am well aware that laws exist and enforcement does work - even when the nuisance is made up. I wish more was done to enforce dog fouling laws; I have lost count of the number of times I have trod in dog dirt while retrieving my own dogs business. I am not averse to picking up others dirt and handing it to them if the opportunity arises, but this is not a very English thing to do. Most people will just mutter loudly to no-one in particular (or probably their dog) and give a withering look to the offender, who will assume a "not bovvered" attitude.
dcb didn't call for a firework ban, he suggested some reasonable and responsible steps that could be taken to allow one section of society to continue to express their own freedom of choice, while reducing the negative impact of that on another section of society who are unduly affected by that choice. Perfectly reasonable. The two sectors are not mutually exclusive either, and nor are dog owners the only ones affected; many children are also similarly frightened, as are plenty of adults who have been on the receiving end of errant fireworks.
Just like power is nothing withot control, freedom is nothing without responsibiity.
Yes very good if a little muddled. His floor would be covered in shite regardless of its construction or covering. You are indeed correct to cite freedoms versus rights and responsibilites. The point I am making is simply that the more sophisticated our society becomes the more able we are to consider preventing peoples freedoms. I have no strong feelings on fireworks or pets really. It just strikes me as 2 ends of a spectrum. I don't care if people let fireworks off during New Year celebrations and I dont care about dogs barking. I am not too bothered about road deaths so long as we are as good as or better than everyone else. I think the firework legislation is crap and should be repealed. It all started because a school teacher peered into a mortar tube he had just lit and was decapitated. I am indifferent that he is not here anymore its improved the gene pool. (Of course I feel sorry for his family). It is not the role of the state to legislate for every last action we might indulge in and monitor it rigourously. Speeding is a classic example. The limits were introduced to allow police to prosecute in cases where they judged it was needed. The speed limits were never designed or intended to be rigourously enforced.
The truth is if we continue to use technology to monitor every last movement of individuals and legislate for every concievable minor infringement then it will lead to 2 conclusions.
Mainstream society will become so constricted development will be arrested. People will become morons or criminals.
The restrictions placed on society will effectively light the blue touch paper (has this already happened?) and we will be in danger of the reaction destroying all the good things society has to offer.
If either of those postulations are ever fulfilled then the current status quo is ill equipped to deal with any of the ramifications, precisely because we have allowed petty little gripes such as speeding, dog shit and fireworks to become issues. In reality if thats all we have to complain about, then we should be happy. Perhaps we need just one last piece of legislation defining and outlawing petty whining about trivial issues. Suggested punishments on a postcard to......
8Pack said:Not strictly true for gun-dogs. They are trained to be alert after gun-fire ... as they may have to retrieve, but they don't whine or bark. Military and police horses are trained not to shy at sudden noises ... but even the best trained horse can be spooked and deposit its rider on the road - Streaky
To some degree Nonners, what you say is true.....after all: Gun dogs are trained to ignore and be unafraid of a gunshot.......cavalry horses during war...likewise.
PS - one of our dogs barks at a dog on a certain TV advertisment for car insurance ... but I think he's (a) trying to figure out how the guy drove his new car to his friend's house without insurance, (b) how the pile of bricks misses the car, and (c) where some of the bricks disappear to before hitting the drive - S
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