RE: 7 Years Jail For Texting Drivers Who Kill
Discussion
I find that the people I see texting and using the phone while driving are usually the most careless and dangerous drivers who are most likely to kill:
18-30 women for whom driving is no. 5 or 6 on the priority list while in the car.
Pikey types in knackered vans harrasing the car in front while on the phone.
I'll probably get a load of abuse for these comments but I'm only saying what I have witnessed.
18-30 women for whom driving is no. 5 or 6 on the priority list while in the car.
Pikey types in knackered vans harrasing the car in front while on the phone.
I'll probably get a load of abuse for these comments but I'm only saying what I have witnessed.
derestrictor said:
Behavioural conditioning reaches frenzied proportions of gonad crushing orgasm.
I remember the glory days of 3 years back, flying down the outside lane of Highway X, a chuffing great Motorola welded to my ridiculously overcoiffeured bouffant, importing, exporting whilst all the while, slightly soiled £50s flying out the window to the tune of Land of Confusion by Genesis as my thoughts drifted away from the communists I was blsting past, worrying disproportionately about the shade of egg shell I should select for my new batch of business cards...
The scale of 'disconnect' between the law makers, the law enforcers and the poor saps who fund their deluded crusades is now immense.
Persuaded into pastures of totalitarian redress via 11 years of increasingly wretched, constantly ratcheting meddling, the establishment has completely lost it's sense of perspective.
These b
ds are succeeding in dehumanising us where Hitler and Stalin failed.
What an absolute fiasco. The Mob rules. Well done Brake and The Histrionics, another lasceration in the UK's dying rattle, freedom expunged by a thousand such cuts.
VERMIN.
so are you sayint it's acceptable to 'text' whilst driving?I remember the glory days of 3 years back, flying down the outside lane of Highway X, a chuffing great Motorola welded to my ridiculously overcoiffeured bouffant, importing, exporting whilst all the while, slightly soiled £50s flying out the window to the tune of Land of Confusion by Genesis as my thoughts drifted away from the communists I was blsting past, worrying disproportionately about the shade of egg shell I should select for my new batch of business cards...
The scale of 'disconnect' between the law makers, the law enforcers and the poor saps who fund their deluded crusades is now immense.
Persuaded into pastures of totalitarian redress via 11 years of increasingly wretched, constantly ratcheting meddling, the establishment has completely lost it's sense of perspective.
These b
ds are succeeding in dehumanising us where Hitler and Stalin failed.What an absolute fiasco. The Mob rules. Well done Brake and The Histrionics, another lasceration in the UK's dying rattle, freedom expunged by a thousand such cuts.
VERMIN.
The 'establishment' clearly hasn't got an answer to combat this or any of the ills that have so rapidly grown under the pc brigade and this totally inept government - so should we be surprised?
The numbers texting and using a mobile while driving has increased rapidly again in the last 6 to 12 months. Why? Simple. No deterrent nor any visual bib on the road.
As for loading a cd to be put in the same context as someone who is texting, that's daft.
You can wait for an opportune moment to do the former, and without loss of concentration or taking your eyes off the road.
Ok, one hand is off the wheel for second or two, but it's not repeatedly keying, no matter how fast you can text, nor is it held to your lughole!
The loading a CD logic cannot be compared to texting or you might as well fine drivers who remove the hand from the wheel to change gear!
You need 'real' deterrent, just like for knife crime. At the moment there aren't any.
'UP' to 7 years is like a closing down sale that shouts 75% OFF! (then you see the small words 'up to'.
The numbers texting and using a mobile while driving has increased rapidly again in the last 6 to 12 months. Why? Simple. No deterrent nor any visual bib on the road.
As for loading a cd to be put in the same context as someone who is texting, that's daft.
You can wait for an opportune moment to do the former, and without loss of concentration or taking your eyes off the road.
Ok, one hand is off the wheel for second or two, but it's not repeatedly keying, no matter how fast you can text, nor is it held to your lughole!
The loading a CD logic cannot be compared to texting or you might as well fine drivers who remove the hand from the wheel to change gear!
You need 'real' deterrent, just like for knife crime. At the moment there aren't any.
'UP' to 7 years is like a closing down sale that shouts 75% OFF! (then you see the small words 'up to'.
EU_Foreigner said:
Putting a destination in my satnav whilst driving is exactly the same effort as texting. One carries up to 7 years prison, the other, well, nothing I guess. Why differentiate?
i'd imagine (and hope) that anyone that killed a ped whilst driving and keying their destination into a satnav would get the full 7 years.uejits said:
EU_Foreigner said:
Putting a destination in my satnav whilst driving is exactly the same effort as texting. One carries up to 7 years prison, the other, well, nothing I guess. Why differentiate?
i'd imagine (and hope) that anyone that killed a ped whilst driving and keying their destination into a satnav would get the full 7 years.no idea what the penalties are for it though
IMO this won't stop Tracey texting her mate any more than the threat of a thousand pound fine did and Tracey texting her mate is no more dangerous than Julian tailgating in his Vectra or Stavros pulling out without checking in his mirrors.
All are potentially lethal with unpredictable outcomes. Segregating them into categories of lethality is pointless when we already have legislation in place.
It will increase the likelyhood of culprits rapidly vacating the scene of an accident though......if they are able to do so
All are potentially lethal with unpredictable outcomes. Segregating them into categories of lethality is pointless when we already have legislation in place.
It will increase the likelyhood of culprits rapidly vacating the scene of an accident though......if they are able to do so
I agree txting behind the wheel is bad!! but its a little extreme compared to other sentences!!! how much do paedophiles get? surely we should increase all the prison sentences in that case (or chop their nadgers off!!). do a search and its amazing how little jail time they get, i found one on four years!! plus when they get out they get a fresh start, a house, a new face if they want, so they can do it all over again under a new name.
some how i feel its another case of how how this country is going down the pan while others are on their way up!!
rant over!!!
some how i feel its another case of how how this country is going down the pan while others are on their way up!!
rant over!!!
chr15b said:
derestrictor said:
Behavioural conditioning reaches frenzied proportions of gonad crushing orgasm.
I remember the glory days of 3 years back, flying down the outside lane of Highway X, a chuffing great Motorola welded to my ridiculously overcoiffeured bouffant, importing, exporting whilst all the while, slightly soiled £50s flying out the window to the tune of Land of Confusion by Genesis as my thoughts drifted away from the communists I was blsting past, worrying disproportionately about the shade of egg shell I should select for my new batch of business cards...
The scale of 'disconnect' between the law makers, the law enforcers and the poor saps who fund their deluded crusades is now immense.
Persuaded into pastures of totalitarian redress via 11 years of increasingly wretched, constantly ratcheting meddling, the establishment has completely lost it's sense of perspective.
These bds are succeeding in dehumanising us where Hitler and Stalin failed.
What an absolute fiasco. The Mob rules. Well done Brake and The Histrionics, another lasceration in the UK's dying rattle, freedom expunged by a thousand such cuts.
VERMIN.
so are you sayint it's acceptable to 'text' whilst driving?I remember the glory days of 3 years back, flying down the outside lane of Highway X, a chuffing great Motorola welded to my ridiculously overcoiffeured bouffant, importing, exporting whilst all the while, slightly soiled £50s flying out the window to the tune of Land of Confusion by Genesis as my thoughts drifted away from the communists I was blsting past, worrying disproportionately about the shade of egg shell I should select for my new batch of business cards...
The scale of 'disconnect' between the law makers, the law enforcers and the poor saps who fund their deluded crusades is now immense.
Persuaded into pastures of totalitarian redress via 11 years of increasingly wretched, constantly ratcheting meddling, the establishment has completely lost it's sense of perspective.
These b
ds are succeeding in dehumanising us where Hitler and Stalin failed.What an absolute fiasco. The Mob rules. Well done Brake and The Histrionics, another lasceration in the UK's dying rattle, freedom expunged by a thousand such cuts.
VERMIN.
Derestricor said:
a chuffing great Motorola welded to my ridiculously overcoiffeured bouffant
What he is referring to here is talking on the phone whilst driving.It can be safe to do so in my opinion (although I do not because I am only allowed six points on my license - and need a car to get to work)
The media has repeatedly hammered it into people that being on the phone whilst driving is bad - so that is what most people believe.
They may be right when taking into account the majority of the population, who have the driving intellect and awareness of a squashed apricot, but that is what these decisions have to take into account.
Texting on the phone is a pretty bad idea though, since you need to constantly look at the screen, and could quite easily miss cyclists going through red lights (see http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-522943/Wom...
ETA: These changes in law also apply to being on the phone whilst driving - not just texting.
Edited by Magners P.H on Wednesday 16th July 14:37
Edited by Magners P.H on Wednesday 16th July 14:40
Edited by Magners P.H on Wednesday 16th July 14:40
Edited by Magners P.H on Wednesday 16th July 14:42
just read the link about the woman who got 4 years fot hitting the cyclist, bit harsh isnt it? After all the cyclist ignored a red traffic light and drove through the crossroad where he was hit by the lass drive her car whilst texting, who's traffic light was green. how was she supposed to expect one of these maniac cyclists to ignore the lights and just ride through? The guy was 19 and should have known better, and now this woman won't be able to see her 4 year old daughter for another 4 years
droschke7 said:
just read the link about the woman who got 4 years fot hitting the cyclist, bit harsh isnt it? After all the cyclist ignored a red traffic light and drove through the crossroad where he was hit by the lass drive her car whilst texting, who's traffic light was green. how was she supposed to expect one of these maniac cyclists to ignore the lights and just ride through? The guy was 19 and should have known better, and now this woman won't be able to see her 4 year old daughter for another 4 years
Get with the picture! Cyclists are saints.Bloody heretic.
grumbledoak said:
droschke7 said:
just read the link about the woman who got 4 years fot hitting the cyclist, bit harsh isnt it? After all the cyclist ignored a red traffic light and drove through the crossroad where he was hit by the lass drive her car whilst texting, who's traffic light was green. how was she supposed to expect one of these maniac cyclists to ignore the lights and just ride through? The guy was 19 and should have known better, and now this woman won't be able to see her 4 year old daughter for another 4 years
Get with the picture! Cyclists are saints.Bloody heretic.
P.S. Strangely enough, just back from Vancouver, see loads on the moby whilst driving, I wonder if it is allowed over there, or just a lot of chancers.
jazzyjeff said:
red_zed said:
scare tactics for the youger generation who, i would imagine, are more guilty of texting whilst driving that anyone else??
the irony is that most people can probably text without even looking at their phone, whereas other distractions in the car such as changing a cd, or fiddling with the radio, or- and i make no apologies for saying this- women checking their makeup in the mirror, most definitely require a moments distraction from the road ahead
A moment's distraction, yes. Composing and sending a text would no doubt distract you for tens of seconds, maybe minutes. the irony is that most people can probably text without even looking at their phone, whereas other distractions in the car such as changing a cd, or fiddling with the radio, or- and i make no apologies for saying this- women checking their makeup in the mirror, most definitely require a moments distraction from the road ahead
I get vertigo watching people driving in a movie and not paying attention to the road(and they aren't really driving)!
JJ
im not saying that texting isnt dangerous, im just saying that there are other things people do in cars which mean they have to take their eyes off the road for a minute.
it is entirely possible to send a text without looking at ones phone, even down to finding a name in the phone book.
It just seems to me that careless and wreckless driving can be caused by such an array of things that to pigeonhole texting seems, to me, to be just another way of clamping down on the "new" things society have come to adopt (read der's post for a more indepth view of what im trying to say!)
I think these mega sentences are not good. We do have a problem with bad driving in the UK and only one kind of enforcement (speed). The government are letting overall driving standards go to rack and ruin and their answer only applies to the worst possible end result.
Indeed these new guidelines will work for locking up dire drivers who drive badly with dire results but expect to see more normal everyday people like you and I banged up for being involved in a car crash.
The families of the victims of road deaths will always want someones blood for it, it's a natural reaction. It seems the only way they expect this to have an effect is by making it an example and deterrent to others. Sadly it will have no effect, while the young mother who killed the red light running cyclist rots in prison we see texters and callers behind the wheel completely undeterred, every time we go out we see them on the roads.
Indeed these new guidelines will work for locking up dire drivers who drive badly with dire results but expect to see more normal everyday people like you and I banged up for being involved in a car crash.
The families of the victims of road deaths will always want someones blood for it, it's a natural reaction. It seems the only way they expect this to have an effect is by making it an example and deterrent to others. Sadly it will have no effect, while the young mother who killed the red light running cyclist rots in prison we see texters and callers behind the wheel completely undeterred, every time we go out we see them on the roads.
I didn't think outcomes were the primary measure of punishment with regards these sorts of offences (driving without due care etc)? In other words providing there is no mens rea then the primary offence is dealt without regard to the outcome.
This law brings a lot of variable and luck into the equation. i.e. you are using your phone and a little old lady steps off the zebra crossing, you brake and hit her at a very low speed but fracture her hip and she dies from internal bleeding, that would equal 7 years in clink. The same situation but the pedestrian is a strapping 6 foot 30 year old bloke, he gets a bruise on his leg and you get away with a fine and a few points for driving without due care. Your offence is the same, your actions are the same, your intention leading up to the incident are the same but the punishment you receive is very different because the outcome (which was out of your control and wasn't caused by any mens rea on your part) is different.
Possibly there should be a law to address causing death whilst driving without due care and attention, rather than this voting chasing hand-wringing nonsense.
This law brings a lot of variable and luck into the equation. i.e. you are using your phone and a little old lady steps off the zebra crossing, you brake and hit her at a very low speed but fracture her hip and she dies from internal bleeding, that would equal 7 years in clink. The same situation but the pedestrian is a strapping 6 foot 30 year old bloke, he gets a bruise on his leg and you get away with a fine and a few points for driving without due care. Your offence is the same, your actions are the same, your intention leading up to the incident are the same but the punishment you receive is very different because the outcome (which was out of your control and wasn't caused by any mens rea on your part) is different.
Possibly there should be a law to address causing death whilst driving without due care and attention, rather than this voting chasing hand-wringing nonsense.
I read the detail on this somewhere else today and it did specifically mention "sat-nav" too, so yes using a sat-nav whilst driving, and then being involved in an accident will get the book thrown at you.....when will it end though...I thought you could get done for DD for any of these things anyway? Are we going to have a list of ALL the things you can do in a car that are distracting? ...it will be a long list !
bogie said:
I read the detail on this somewhere else today and it did specifically mention "sat-nav" too, so yes using a sat-nav whilst driving, and then being involved in an accident will get the book thrown at you.....when will it end though...I thought you could get done for DD for any of these things anyway? Are we going to have a list of ALL the things you can do in a car that are distracting? ...it will be a long list !
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