RE: Driving Force
Discussion
I still see this as rewarding bad behaviour. Like the mum giving the screaming brat in a supermarket a sweat to be quiet. THe kid just learns that if they want a sweat they just scream.
I have a better idea for these w@nkers that steal cars. Let them pay for the for the damage they cause. Give 'em a job like repairing/rescuing cars and a wage slip which includes a deduction. They can then save up and eventually buy their own car (perhaps the one they have been restoring) and pay for the insurance. Extra theft would increase the amount they have deducted and the longer they have to work. They would be doing society a favour, gives back their self esteme, they can get qualified and have a long term aim.
I do NOT think they should be given a car with tax and insurance. Its just not fair to the rest.
I have a better idea for these w@nkers that steal cars. Let them pay for the for the damage they cause. Give 'em a job like repairing/rescuing cars and a wage slip which includes a deduction. They can then save up and eventually buy their own car (perhaps the one they have been restoring) and pay for the insurance. Extra theft would increase the amount they have deducted and the longer they have to work. They would be doing society a favour, gives back their self esteme, they can get qualified and have a long term aim.
I do NOT think they should be given a car with tax and insurance. Its just not fair to the rest.
I can tell you the answer
give all school levers at 17 who are unemployed or in futher education.
this= most of them
some diving lesons wont cost any more than any other half backed jobseekers traing course but shaw will be of more use to them
set up a non profit goverment inshrance schem for all 17 year olds for there first year of insharance.
that the can afford
whether working or not.
cut out the profit and the costs drop alot
with a litte more help for those on that are not working
If any get court on the road ilegaly they lose the right to the above
save a fouturne a year nicking them and locking kids
and clearing up the mess
Give them so Hope.
whether you belive it or not ask them,they know they will be very luck if the get a job after school
and never be able to aford a car for years unless they got a rich dady.
If they aint got any thing to lose they can only gain by nicking one
so some wont but alot will it human nature.
I you aint got F all crime does pay
you aint got any thing to lose.
so you get court and go to jail what you lost?
nothing
your freedom?
no not realy how free are you on the outside with
30-40 dole money a week?
find them money and they say f**k this
we got even less now
so they start ramraiding as well as nicking the cars
at least the can drive now and have some money.
they get court againg goto jail
come out whats the best life for them back to £40
a week
Or start again till the next time they get court.
>> Edited by outlaw on Thursday 28th February 09:40
give all school levers at 17 who are unemployed or in futher education.
this= most of them
some diving lesons wont cost any more than any other half backed jobseekers traing course but shaw will be of more use to them
set up a non profit goverment inshrance schem for all 17 year olds for there first year of insharance.
that the can afford
whether working or not.
cut out the profit and the costs drop alot
with a litte more help for those on that are not working
If any get court on the road ilegaly they lose the right to the above
save a fouturne a year nicking them and locking kids
and clearing up the mess
Give them so Hope.
whether you belive it or not ask them,they know they will be very luck if the get a job after school
and never be able to aford a car for years unless they got a rich dady.
If they aint got any thing to lose they can only gain by nicking one
so some wont but alot will it human nature.
I you aint got F all crime does pay
you aint got any thing to lose.
so you get court and go to jail what you lost?
nothing
your freedom?
no not realy how free are you on the outside with
30-40 dole money a week?
find them money and they say f**k this
we got even less now
so they start ramraiding as well as nicking the cars
at least the can drive now and have some money.
they get court againg goto jail
come out whats the best life for them back to £40
a week
Or start again till the next time they get court.
>> Edited by outlaw on Thursday 28th February 09:40
This scheme is rubbish. It creates the image that all car users are just a few quid away from being criminals and it is designed to alienate decent young people. The money would be far better spent on regenerating the urban decay which is the cause of crime. It is amazing how when small seaside communities change from depressed to prosperous over a few years how the deadlegs who refuse work suddenly up and move to another depressed area. What we have to do is create a society where there is no excuse and nowhere for them to run.
Giving car criminals cars to play with is only going to work in a handfull of cases and the powers that be know that but will justify the scheme on its few successes.
Giving them NVQs only undermines the qualification because any training done under such a scheme would be considered by QCA as simulation anyway and therefore not valid for assessment purposes. In short this is a non starter.
The motor industry is changeing anyway, in so far as little back street motor traders are struggling because cars need less servicing and are so cheap that people just don't bother to fix them anymore. The only independants that will survive over the next few years will be the specialists who invest heavily in order to compete with the main franchises. So employment for the schems graduates would be rare and short term anyway and no IMI member would knowingly employ car criminals, so what are they going to do, Lie?
20 years ago when that stupid woman ran the country a scheme like this may have had some benefits. In an age when the average paper round will fund a car purchase it is plain to see that car crime is just that, crime and should be dealt with accordingly.
It is high time the UK faced up to the fact that with a failing public transport system there is no alternative to cars. We need to recognise that our concepts of luxury are outdated and a car is as essential as central heating and internet access so lets train all young people how to drive properly for free as part of the national curriculum. It is just a matter of selecting the right things to teach. After all do we really need more tree psycologists or art history consutants?
Giving car criminals cars to play with is only going to work in a handfull of cases and the powers that be know that but will justify the scheme on its few successes.
Giving them NVQs only undermines the qualification because any training done under such a scheme would be considered by QCA as simulation anyway and therefore not valid for assessment purposes. In short this is a non starter.
The motor industry is changeing anyway, in so far as little back street motor traders are struggling because cars need less servicing and are so cheap that people just don't bother to fix them anymore. The only independants that will survive over the next few years will be the specialists who invest heavily in order to compete with the main franchises. So employment for the schems graduates would be rare and short term anyway and no IMI member would knowingly employ car criminals, so what are they going to do, Lie?
20 years ago when that stupid woman ran the country a scheme like this may have had some benefits. In an age when the average paper round will fund a car purchase it is plain to see that car crime is just that, crime and should be dealt with accordingly.
It is high time the UK faced up to the fact that with a failing public transport system there is no alternative to cars. We need to recognise that our concepts of luxury are outdated and a car is as essential as central heating and internet access so lets train all young people how to drive properly for free as part of the national curriculum. It is just a matter of selecting the right things to teach. After all do we really need more tree psycologists or art history consutants?
This is an obscene idea.
I'm and honest bloke, never nicked anything, never had a brush with the law... I've worked hard, slogged my guts out and got a decent job.
I've had to suffer crap cars over the years, paying my way via a part time job - steadily building up to buying my first new car last September.
At the age of 24 I still pay a hefty premium... so some little scrote can come along, steal my car, trash it and dump it - then re-build the damn thing and get free tax and insurance, whilst I'm left having to claim on my insurance...
This is a f*****g disgrace. Bring back Maggie - all is forgiven!
I'm and honest bloke, never nicked anything, never had a brush with the law... I've worked hard, slogged my guts out and got a decent job.
I've had to suffer crap cars over the years, paying my way via a part time job - steadily building up to buying my first new car last September.
At the age of 24 I still pay a hefty premium... so some little scrote can come along, steal my car, trash it and dump it - then re-build the damn thing and get free tax and insurance, whilst I'm left having to claim on my insurance...
This is a f*****g disgrace. Bring back Maggie - all is forgiven!
I have to say that Outlaw's comments make a strange kind of sense. We may not agree with it, but if there was a way of giving kids hope of a future - then this may prevent crime in the future as well.
Guess we ought to look on this scheme a bit like helping the third world. Expensive, unlikely that our generation will see the benefit, but morally correct.
Jeez, did I just write that? I musy be getting old. Time for a thrash to bring me back to reality.
C
Guess we ought to look on this scheme a bit like helping the third world. Expensive, unlikely that our generation will see the benefit, but morally correct.
Jeez, did I just write that? I musy be getting old. Time for a thrash to bring me back to reality.
C
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Got to agree with you, Carl. Personally I don't agree with the porposals of Driving Force but, what Outlaw is saying is that we should have the root causes addressed - not just the symptoms - by helping all youngsters that are at risk of going down the criminal path.
Well, I went for 150 miles of thrashing, and still feel the same. So it must be a good idea...
C
(BTW, the XJ does exactly what I intended - brought my top speed down to a more acceptable level)
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Im tempted to Invite the chap running the idea to this Forum any Objections Ted?
I'd say yes good idea that way he can "reach out" to the other side of the fence i.e the fairly comfortable owners of performance vehicles ! It would certainly balance the opinions up totally and after all his response sounded logical well thought out and articulate, he may even get some offers of help !!!
I can understand where outlaw is coming from but I don't think it would stop car theives stealing cars, or indeed youngsters following in their foot steps. They often see them as heros.
Even if you help a kid from a deprived area onto the road, he will always see somebody with a better car. If he wants it bad enough, he can steal it. The trouble is that these kids are brought up with no respect for other peoples property and the law.
To solve it you need a massive change is social attitutde accross the board, eliminate drugs and unemployement and make all feel valued and equal etc etc. It ain't going to happen.
Perhaps longer sentences from magistrates would deter car thieves??
Even if you help a kid from a deprived area onto the road, he will always see somebody with a better car. If he wants it bad enough, he can steal it. The trouble is that these kids are brought up with no respect for other peoples property and the law.
To solve it you need a massive change is social attitutde accross the board, eliminate drugs and unemployement and make all feel valued and equal etc etc. It ain't going to happen.
Perhaps longer sentences from magistrates would deter car thieves??
I Know What im on about s I have experiance of both side.
I am an X car thief and know many others
done a bit of joyrideing when young
later It was not for fun, It was Work.
a job like any other
tip joyrideing and a car thief`s are two very diferent
things
as for joyriders yes there are many resons.
for it.
to name but a few
1no money
2bordom
3no hope
4nothing to do
5no car
simple realy 2-5 relate directly to 1
there are other resons but thes are the one that start it.
other thing are secondary
create a selfish system and under classed and you will have selfish
citizens in it.
the system dont work but for the few at the top
Iv seen the movie stared in it and brourt the tee shirt.
Done the jail time a few times too.
would probaly done more if i was not a bit better at it than most i know
for some things i did
and for some thing i did not even do
send some one down when they aint done anything and see how they feel about the law when they get out.
and no jail did not stop me
Now retired and a lot older.
why you ask ?
I have a good wife, money nowand two cars and home.
and the know how to make shaw my car dont go missing
as for drugs the goverment created problem
look at what happend with proabition in the 30`s
did not work.
Before I continue let me explain first
1 I dont Take any drugs other than beer, coffee and tobbaco
2 never have done
3 never will
why because I have a brain and can make a choice
my self
so I say make all drugs legal for over 18`s
Let the public deside for them self.
let the brain dead fools who want to kill them,do it
if they want too, its there life.
if some one is going to take someting they will anyway weather its legal or not.
youngster are more likely to if it not legal thats a fact.
even for the prats what do take them it would be saffer.
as there would not be any old crap cut in it for the dealer to make more cash.
we dont go banging on about beer do we
we dont all drink our selfs to death
If we smoke its our choice
if we get lung cancer
what would you say if you got put in jail for lighting up a fag?
drug laws are pointless
its a drug it kills
some do but thats there choice.
plus if they were legal there would be a hell off a lot less crime
and most ilegal drugs would be a lot cheaper than street prices.
tip in jails an unoffishally a blind eye is turned to drugs
it keep the con from actting up to much.
and 9 out of 9 prison officers take no notice un less they have too.
make there job easy`er
dealers gone
smuggelars gone
and billons save chaseing the above.
if we want thing to change the manking must change.
in the future and away for greed.
im not crazy for money but there nowthing you can do and nowhere you can go with out it left in the world.
>> Edited by outlaw on Friday 1st March 11:15
I am an X car thief and know many others
done a bit of joyrideing when young
later It was not for fun, It was Work.
a job like any other
tip joyrideing and a car thief`s are two very diferent
things
as for joyriders yes there are many resons.
for it.
to name but a few
1no money
2bordom
3no hope
4nothing to do
5no car
simple realy 2-5 relate directly to 1
there are other resons but thes are the one that start it.
other thing are secondary
create a selfish system and under classed and you will have selfish
citizens in it.
the system dont work but for the few at the top
Iv seen the movie stared in it and brourt the tee shirt.
Done the jail time a few times too.
would probaly done more if i was not a bit better at it than most i know
for some things i did
and for some thing i did not even do
send some one down when they aint done anything and see how they feel about the law when they get out.
and no jail did not stop me
Now retired and a lot older.
why you ask ?
I have a good wife, money nowand two cars and home.
and the know how to make shaw my car dont go missing
as for drugs the goverment created problem
look at what happend with proabition in the 30`s
did not work.
Before I continue let me explain first
1 I dont Take any drugs other than beer, coffee and tobbaco
2 never have done
3 never will
why because I have a brain and can make a choice
my self
so I say make all drugs legal for over 18`s
Let the public deside for them self.
let the brain dead fools who want to kill them,do it
if they want too, its there life.
if some one is going to take someting they will anyway weather its legal or not.
youngster are more likely to if it not legal thats a fact.
even for the prats what do take them it would be saffer.
as there would not be any old crap cut in it for the dealer to make more cash.
we dont go banging on about beer do we
we dont all drink our selfs to death
If we smoke its our choice
if we get lung cancer
what would you say if you got put in jail for lighting up a fag?
drug laws are pointless
its a drug it kills
some do but thats there choice.
plus if they were legal there would be a hell off a lot less crime
and most ilegal drugs would be a lot cheaper than street prices.
tip in jails an unoffishally a blind eye is turned to drugs
it keep the con from actting up to much.
and 9 out of 9 prison officers take no notice un less they have too.
make there job easy`er
dealers gone
smuggelars gone
and billons save chaseing the above.
if we want thing to change the manking must change.
in the future and away for greed.
im not crazy for money but there nowthing you can do and nowhere you can go with out it left in the world.
>> Edited by outlaw on Friday 1st March 11:15
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"Perhaps longer sentences from magistrates would deter car thieves??"
It might not deter them but at least while they're inside they're not stealing cars!
the longest a magistrates can give in 1year for anything
of which you do not do a year
if the crash it it will got to crown
as agrvated twoc and they looking at 1year and a bit-3years
depending on what happend
and like any thing what mood the juge is in and did have a good shag before the case that put hime in a good mood.
thats not the max but average
more if anyones hurt
plus over charges
a pro car thief dont get court very offten if at all
the law was changed some time ago
>> Edited by outlaw on Friday 1st March 11:13
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as for joyriders yes there are many resons.
for it.
to name but a few
1no money
2bordom
3no hope
4nothing to do
5no car
simple realy 2-5 relate directly to 1
1 No respect
2 No discipline
3 No punishment worth speaking of
4 No power for those of us who'd like to fight back
None of your arguments for joyriding make me any more sympathetic you your cause outlaw. Having had my car nicked and joyridden all I want to do is go out and kick the little f*&^ers heads in.
Why should I pay for them to get on the road just because they had no ambition, drive or energy to go out and EARN themselves some money to buy a car?
Tell me why i should feel sorry for anyone who wilfully trashes my car for their own enjoyment, leaving me to pay for it in terms of repairs and higher insurance premiums.
I agree that the root causes of the problem must be addressed, but boredom and a lack of money are not the root cause. They are a symptom of a section of society who see themselves as victims despite never having tried to be anything else. They use this supposed 'victim' status to justify their actions, turning it into some sort of noble struggle against the system when all they are is lazy.
Outlaw, you are proof that life doesn't have to be like that, you should be an example to them.
Get them off their lazy, burger-fattened arses and tell them to stop living off the rest of society the parasites.
1 No respect
2 No discipline
3 No punishment worth speaking of
4 No power for those of us who'd like to fight back
Mark, you got that right. On top of this we have the fact that they either skip school or do not pay attention in school, witness spelling and grammar, therefore have no qualifications of any sort at all. The British education system may not be brilliant, but, it is a lot better than nothing at all. How many joyriders are kids of school age? boredom? they should be doing their homework and getting an education!
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as for joyriders yes there are many resons.
for it.
to name but a few
1no money
2bordom
3no hope
4nothing to do
5no car
simple realy 2-5 relate directly to 1
1 No respect
2 No discipline
3 No punishment worth speaking of
4 No power for those of us who'd like to fight back
None of your arguments for joyriding make me any more sympathetic you your cause outlaw. Having had my car nicked and joyridden all I want to do is go out and kick the little f*&^ers heads in.
Why should I pay for them to get on the road just because they had no ambition, drive or energy to go out and EARN themselves some money to buy a car?
Tell me why i should feel sorry for anyone who wilfully trashes my car for their own enjoyment, leaving me to pay for it in terms of repairs and higher insurance premiums.
I agree that the root causes of the problem must be addressed, but boredom and a lack of money are not the root cause. They are a symptom of a section of society who see themselves as victims despite never having tried to be anything else. They use this supposed 'victim' status to justify their actions, turning it into some sort of noble struggle against the system when all they are is lazy.
Outlaw, you are proof that life doesn't have to be like that, you should be an example to them.
Get them off their lazy, burger-fattened arses and tell them to stop living off the rest of society the parasites.
If you go back and read my other post i did not say you should feel shorry for them or bye them a car
that was not my idear all my guess is you only read the last post
i said help all school levers to learn to drive
and with there first year of insharance
if they bye the own car
and not if they nick one first
I said helping the after they nick it is no good
if that was the case in my day
i would have nicked onr drove down the local
station and give my self yup and the took the free legal car.
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tell them to stop living off the rest of society the parasites.
thes is the view that has made society what it is to day.
and caused the problems.
you say i sould be an example to them
well im where i am today by the means that were needed to get me here in this society
by legal means and other means.
now i dont need the other means any longer.
I will say you would be very suppriced at the number of kids that have beed in a nick car.
or near one
how ever the numbers are going down in resent years
things have never change years ago most poorer kids had shoplifted at some time.
thes days the nick a car to get too the shops
just the times changing
kids grow up seeing greed all over the world
and wars caused by greed.
why would you expect them to be any different
than the rest of the population of the world.
you want there greed to end
world greed must end first
>> Edited by outlaw on Friday 1st March 12:28
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world greed must end first
True, on the surface. But where would you place yourself, in the "have" or the "have nots" ??
If you are a "have", will YOU be prepared to GIVE some of your wealth to the "have nots" ?? Most people who have earnt their money through persistant toil deserve to keep their money. Why should they share?
If you are a "have not", if you are determined enough, you can raise youself out of the gutter - but it must be bloody annoying when you look at all the stuff people have. And you THINK (wrongly) - they don't NEED that, they didn't EARN it. So you just take it...
But hang on a moment, maybe the HAVEs of today, were HAVE nots of yesterday. Ok, let's ask our new visitor a couple of questions.
So, Outlaw: what would you do if some theiving git tried to nick your motor? Surely you wouldn't let them?
Would you be happy in paying higher taxes in order that the State can do what the parents should be doing?
Would you be able to chat to a kid, and get through to them? to connect? If you can, then your words could be very useful.
Appreciate what you're saying mate, and your honesty at admitting who you *were*. What you driving now?
rgds, Carl
No I dont have alot
i have just enough not to worrie about it
a resoble car not new a gte
a shit rust heap to get about ing till iv finshed
the respray on the other one
a good wife who loves me the most importaint of all
and a home.
and dont have to worry about money to much now
iv had more when i was younger would thing nothing of spending a grand on a night out then
as crime did pay well
i have a disabilite that make working hard
in the words of the dhss im fit for work but only for a job where i dont have to stand for more that 30mins a a time and can sit down when i like .
there words not mine
I kid you not
I was born with the problem
so that rules out most things as i can work one day but not contant as i will pay the next one.
cant do office work or the like as im am dislexic
have a high iq but probs with spelling and grammer
so crim was quite a good carear for me flexible hours
well pay
can read as good as any one
areal pain some time when writing you have to you simplistic wording that you can spell
and was giffted at maths
only other option was £50 a week at one time
no choice realy.
inserdently most dislexic have a greater than average IQ
So, Outlaw: what would you do if some theiving git tried to nick your motor? Surely you wouldn't let them?
Localy they would not they know its mine as do the old bill realy get stoped
2 only a pro wold be able to nick it realy
as i know most of the trick`s in the book :-)
3 its a modded astra gte so not realy likely to be pick on by a pro
Would you be happy in paying higher taxes in order that the State can do what the parents should be doing?
yes if the system realy did change and it did some good
Would you be able to chat to a kid, and get through to them? to connect? If you can, then your words could be very useful.
yes I have done most kid stop when there older any when
what ever you do to the joyriders that is
some wont lisen to anyone
a few die the th
ick ones get nicked every time
as i said to one i get a new job you shit at it what the point
alot i know started with an old banger relitivly safe
but could not aford the legal stuff get nicked tink **** it
and stat nicking them instead
they would have been happy with the old one if some one helped them
one you nicked the car
that was easy, lets head for a ram raid.
man that was easy money
next one on so one
Appreciate what you're saying mate, and your honesty at admitting who you *were*. What you driving now?
moded astra GTE probley geting nozed in the summer
and a cav 1.6 rust heap :-) to get aroung in
used to ride as well my first love
bikes
ps never nicked a bike once :-)
rgds, Carl
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i have just enough not to worrie about it
a resoble car not new a gte
a shit rust heap to get about ing till iv finshed
the respray on the other one
a good wife who loves me the most importaint of all
and a home.
and dont have to worry about money to much now
iv had more when i was younger would thing nothing of spending a grand on a night out then
as crime did pay well
i have a disabilite that make working hard
in the words of the dhss im fit for work but only for a job where i dont have to stand for more that 30mins a a time and can sit down when i like .
there words not mine
I kid you not
I was born with the problem
so that rules out most things as i can work one day but not contant as i will pay the next one.
cant do office work or the like as im am dislexic
have a high iq but probs with spelling and grammer
so crim was quite a good carear for me flexible hours
well pay
can read as good as any one
areal pain some time when writing you have to you simplistic wording that you can spell
and was giffted at maths
only other option was £50 a week at one time
no choice realy.
inserdently most dislexic have a greater than average IQ
So, Outlaw: what would you do if some theiving git tried to nick your motor? Surely you wouldn't let them?
Localy they would not they know its mine as do the old bill realy get stoped
2 only a pro wold be able to nick it realy
as i know most of the trick`s in the book :-)
3 its a modded astra gte so not realy likely to be pick on by a pro
Would you be happy in paying higher taxes in order that the State can do what the parents should be doing?
yes if the system realy did change and it did some good
Would you be able to chat to a kid, and get through to them? to connect? If you can, then your words could be very useful.
yes I have done most kid stop when there older any when
what ever you do to the joyriders that is
some wont lisen to anyone
a few die the th
ick ones get nicked every time
as i said to one i get a new job you shit at it what the point
alot i know started with an old banger relitivly safe
but could not aford the legal stuff get nicked tink **** it
and stat nicking them instead
they would have been happy with the old one if some one helped them
one you nicked the car
that was easy, lets head for a ram raid.
man that was easy money
next one on so one
Appreciate what you're saying mate, and your honesty at admitting who you *were*. What you driving now?
moded astra GTE probley geting nozed in the summer
and a cav 1.6 rust heap :-) to get aroung in
used to ride as well my first love
bikes
ps never nicked a bike once :-)
rgds, Carl
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tell them to stop living off the rest of society the parasites.
thes is the view that has made society what it is to day.
and caused the problems.
Outlaw, explain why my view has caused the problem. This view (that we should work as a society and that you work to earn your keep) has been held for hundreds of years. Recently the attitude seems to be that the rest of society should feel sorry for people who would rather take what they want from someone else. That somehow it's our fault that the do it. Does nobody take responsibility for their own or their kids actions anymore?
I fully agree with a society which subsidises those who don't have the means to work. What I don't agree with is that some little shit can come along, break into my car, thrash the nuts off it to the point where it is an insurance write off then tell me it's my attitude which is to blame.
Stop blaming society for your own actions. YOU are responsible for your own actions.
tell them to stop living off the rest of society the parasites.
thes is the view that has made society what it is to day.
and caused the problems.
Outlaw, explain why my view has caused the problem. This view (that we should work as a society and that you work to earn your keep) has been held for hundreds of years. Recently the attitude seems to be that the rest of society should feel sorry for people who would rather take what they want from someone else. That somehow it's our fault that the do it. Does nobody take responsibility for their own or their kids actions anymore?
I fully agree with a society which subsidises those who don't have the means to work. What I don't agree with is that some little shit can come along, break into my car, thrash the nuts off it to the point where it is an insurance write off then tell me it's my attitude which is to blame.
Stop blaming society for your own actions. YOU are responsible for your own actions.
Hi there, y'all, I'm the guy behind Driving Force strange though I've never thought of myself as left wing before. I would like to straighten a few things out, firstly we won't be paying for their tax or insurance, they have to pay that for themselves in cash none of this monthly payments so they can't then cancel. secondly it is open to any one. The training side is for any age to help you maintain your vehicle when you can't afford a garage, or to help you get a job. the youth scheme side is open to all, male and female the only difference being the non-offenders do not have to undergo the lectures, or visit burns units etc. Thirdly....cost...let me put it into perspective, last year Bottingham County Council spent £13 million on disposal etc of vehicles...ok this isn't just disposal costs this includes police, Fire and rescue crews, ambulance people, nurses and doctors etc....thats an average cost in excess of £4000.00 per vehicle. Now with the new Euro regulations the scrapyards are gonna want another £100.00 minimum per vehcile to drag it away. The above figures include some councils that remove cars from peoples drives etc on their request. Over 5 years it will cost over half a million pounds to run Driving Force.......sounds a lot doesn't it.....over the same period Notts county council would expect to spend in excess of £75 million......but we aren't getting funding from them, the government or any source of tax ...so it won't be costing you anything and will lower the county council expenditure so this should lower your taxes too..mind you they will probably say that the reduction in costs there has helped to keep the rise down........SURE!....So are we gonna be rewarding them....well yes in a way as it is incentive based..but that is for all not just the offenders......unless they re-offend then its back to court to do their suspended sentence or what have you..but more important maybe some one isn't getting hurt! or killed! and that is really more important than idealogical arguments surely? I really don't think of myself as left wing but you are entitled to your opinion and I will gladly debate with any one either thriugh here or call me on 0115 854 1179...you won't have to pussyfoot around with me....I'm an ild biker and it takes a lot to upset me,,,more than someone not agreeing with me....look forward to hearing from you...Tom
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