Judge clears speeding top golfer on appeal
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oldsoak said:
EU_Foreigner said:
10% + 2 being the threshold means that anything over the threshold would be prosecuted, therefore 36?
No...34 mph in a 30 is the maximum speed you can go without picking up a ticket, nudge it to 35 and you'll get a ticket....or an invite to a speed awareness course depending on the state of the collective spleen of the area you get nabbed in.All that depends on being caught of course
ETA...
Pepipoo still has the ACPO guideline table available
Edited by oldsoak on Wednesday 16th June 15:13
“Few have the financial resources to mount a challenge to the evidence. Any perception that there is one law for those with the ability to dispute the evidence and another for everybody else would be wrong.”
How the hell can that statement be made? Of *course* this case shows perfectly clearly that there is one law for the rich and another law for everybody else.
What is Nick Freeman's strike rate, because whatever it is, it would be perfectly proper to say that that rate of cases overthrown would apply to every court or case if the public were tried properly.
It's very, very worrying indeed that it it seems that anyone who can afford to do so can show that the law of the land is not applied as the law itself dictates.
How the hell can that statement be made? Of *course* this case shows perfectly clearly that there is one law for the rich and another law for everybody else.
What is Nick Freeman's strike rate, because whatever it is, it would be perfectly proper to say that that rate of cases overthrown would apply to every court or case if the public were tried properly.
It's very, very worrying indeed that it it seems that anyone who can afford to do so can show that the law of the land is not applied as the law itself dictates.
vonhosen said:
oldsoak said:
EU_Foreigner said:
10% + 2 being the threshold means that anything over the threshold would be prosecuted, therefore 36?
No...34 mph in a 30 is the maximum speed you can go without picking up a ticket, nudge it to 35 and you'll get a ticket....or an invite to a speed awareness course depending on the state of the collective spleen of the area you get nabbed in.All that depends on being caught of course
ETA...
Pepipoo still has the ACPO guideline table available
Edited by oldsoak on Wednesday 16th June 15:13
SS2. said:
Why hasn't Puff posted his thoughts on Montgomerie's successful appeal ? 
This is the response from the Cumbria police:"A spokesperson from Cumbria Constabulary, said: "We are aware of the ruling in court and will be reviewing the case to ensure the correct processes and protocols are in place and that they are being followed.
"The safety of the public is our number one priority and we are committed to using every tool at our disposal to reduce the numbers of people killed or seriously injured on our roads."
Even bent tools presumably.
Just imagine how many hundreds of thousands of people that don't have Monty's resources are being defrauded every year - sickening.
Around here in Somerset the evil van operatives target 33mph for the scam of all scams - the snail awareness course - where drivers are blackmailed into feeling grateful for being scammed - you've got to hand it to them, that is one very clever scam and of course rakes in millions.
Around here in Somerset the evil van operatives target 33mph for the scam of all scams - the snail awareness course - where drivers are blackmailed into feeling grateful for being scammed - you've got to hand it to them, that is one very clever scam and of course rakes in millions.
deeps said:
Just imagine how many hundreds of thousands of people that don't have Monty's resources are being defrauded every year - sickening.
Around here in Somerset the evil van operatives target 33mph for the scam of all scams - the snail awareness course - where drivers are blackmailed into feeling grateful for being scammed - you've got to hand it to them, that is one very clever scam and of course rakes in millions.
Would you be surprised if the courses are 'farmed out' to the private sector and the guy running the courses is a multimillionaire ex-policeman?Around here in Somerset the evil van operatives target 33mph for the scam of all scams - the snail awareness course - where drivers are blackmailed into feeling grateful for being scammed - you've got to hand it to them, that is one very clever scam and of course rakes in millions.
You couldn't make it up.
Oh we do laugh about the Banana Republics...
deeps said:
Just imagine how many hundreds of thousands of people that don't have Monty's resources are being defrauded every year - sickening.
Around here in Somerset the evil van operatives target 33mph for the scam of all scams - the snail awareness course - where drivers are blackmailed into feeling grateful for being scammed - you've got to hand it to them, that is one very clever scam and of course rakes in millions.
The tax payer will pick up the estimated £38,000 tab for legal costs... NOT the CPS employee, who proceeded with the case, in order to protect the reputation of the LTI process even when he had access to the same evidence as the judge, that the manner in which the LTI was being used, was contrary to the guidelines!Around here in Somerset the evil van operatives target 33mph for the scam of all scams - the snail awareness course - where drivers are blackmailed into feeling grateful for being scammed - you've got to hand it to them, that is one very clever scam and of course rakes in millions.
It would have been different if they had thought the cost of wrongful prosecution came out of THEIR pocket!
shuvitupya said:
Mill Wheel said:
Judge clears speeding top golfer on appeal
"Golfer Colin Montgomerie"
Nowhere does it say he is a top golfer! ...Because he isn't and never was "Golfer Colin Montgomerie"
....Maybe top Scottish golfer, but I doubt that. 
Maybe not THE top, but A top man!
Mill Wheel said:
EU_Foreigner said:
Just a bit yes. Basically, the conclusion is that you can not trust the equipment nor the people using it.
The manufacturers of the LTI have a former NASA scientist on their books, whose job it is to rubbish technical challenges to their equipment. If required, he is wheeled into court at huge expense, frightening many defendants from challenging their speeding tickets in case they become liable for costs against them. Now instead, Montgomerie's legal bill – thought to be in the region of £30,000 – will now be passed on to the taxpayer.From this case, it would appear that the device is only as good as the buffoon holding it! It has been shown time and time again that the device can give a hugely false reading if swept over the target vehicle during the reading - the Daily Mail famously showed a cyclist doing 60 mph, while a wall in a courthouse in the US was found to be travelling at 4 mph.
Those who defend it's use, claim that experienced operators never use the speed gun in this way, yet here they are in court having to accept the judges ruling that the evidence shows that an operator HAS misused the equipment, AND was directed to target road users outside of the specific guidelines to it's use!
Oh dear!!
I can understand for a murder trial but hiring a very expensive expert for a case of speeding at 37mph? That is just wrong.
cornishgirl said:
Isn't there some sort of cap on the costs of experts the police or CPS can hire in this sort of prosecution?.
I can understand for a murder trial but hiring a very expensive expert for a case of speeding at 37mph? That is just wrong.
No cap - they flew in a US based expert a couple of years ago, and the hapless defendant got landed with the flight costs, hotel bill, as well as all the normal inflated costs they throw in.I can understand for a murder trial but hiring a very expensive expert for a case of speeding at 37mph? That is just wrong.
That is why RSS Ltd exist - to ensure the gravy train just keeps on running - money is no object, as unlike the defendant, they never have to pay as individuals - it is all covered by the tax payer if they lose.
Mill Wheel said:
That is why RSS Ltd exist - to ensure the gravy train just keeps on running - money is no object, as unlike the defendant, they never have to pay as individuals - it is all covered by the tax payer if they lose.
They are extortionists, filthy racketeers, the only part of the Criminal "Justice" System they belong in is jail.fluffnik said:
Mill Wheel said:
That is why RSS Ltd exist - to ensure the gravy train just keeps on running - money is no object, as unlike the defendant, they never have to pay as individuals - it is all covered by the tax payer if they lose.
They are extortionists, filthy racketeers, the only part of the Criminal "Justice" System they belong in is jail.EU_Foreigner said:
fluffnik said:
Mill Wheel said:
That is why RSS Ltd exist - to ensure the gravy train just keeps on running - money is no object, as unlike the defendant, they never have to pay as individuals - it is all covered by the tax payer if they lose.
They are extortionists, filthy racketeers, the only part of the Criminal "Justice" System they belong in is jail.Erm.. that would be Australia then?
EU_Foreigner said:
fluffnik said:
Mill Wheel said:
That is why RSS Ltd exist - to ensure the gravy train just keeps on running - money is no object, as unlike the defendant, they never have to pay as individuals - it is all covered by the tax payer if they lose.
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