Seat Leon 154mph A11
Discussion
tapereel said:
OK. We'll tab down a track at 154mph, I will bang on the dash and lets see what speed you were doing 4 seconds later.
In the right place it is no big deal but when I do it I'm required to wear a helmet in the car and it isn't on a public road. A public road just isn't the right place...unless you are in Germany...but we're not so it ain't and even in Germany it's debateable whether that is a good idea.
If I get chance on my local by pass early one morning I'll report back. Sustained hard braking for 5 seconds. If it hasn't lost a considerable percentage of its speed I'll consider that something is very wrong. In the right place it is no big deal but when I do it I'm required to wear a helmet in the car and it isn't on a public road. A public road just isn't the right place...unless you are in Germany...but we're not so it ain't and even in Germany it's debateable whether that is a good idea.
There's nothing much different about Germany you know. Those autobahns are generally old, two lane roads with less technology than our m'ways. People don't die just because they drive at 3 figure speeds.
heebeegeetee said:
tapereel said:
OK. We'll tab down a track at 154mph, I will bang on the dash and lets see what speed you were doing 4 seconds later.
In the right place it is no big deal but when I do it I'm required to wear a helmet in the car and it isn't on a public road. A public road just isn't the right place...unless you are in Germany...but we're not so it ain't and even in Germany it's debateable whether that is a good idea.
If I get chance on my local by pass early one morning I'll report back. Sustained hard braking for 5 seconds. If it hasn't lost a considerable percentage of its speed I'll consider that something is very wrong. In the right place it is no big deal but when I do it I'm required to wear a helmet in the car and it isn't on a public road. A public road just isn't the right place...unless you are in Germany...but we're not so it ain't and even in Germany it's debateable whether that is a good idea.
There's nothing much different about Germany you know. Those autobahns are generally old, two lane roads with less technology than our m'ways. People don't die just because they drive at 3 figure speeds.
This is entirely different to your proposed test.
surveyor_101 said:
DottyMR2 said:
It's usually the stopping that gets you
How far over the limit do you have to be ecessive, that argue net works when it's sub 20mph but when you doing 154 in a 60-70. Double the speed plus has be inappropriate?154 isn't excessive in itself though. At 3am on a deserted motorway, I see no problem to crack on and make progress. In traffic though it's silly because of what other people might do, like pull out on you (some deliberately because they are self righteous assholes) or middle lane hog or anything unexpected in general.
It's why managed motorways are good and if they were used correctly people would follow them. They lose credibility though when they make the limit 30 at 11pm at night through Glasgow for no reason at all. People then just ignore them because they report rubbish 90% of the time. If they were used properly we could have 100mph limits and then during busy times drop the limit.
Other people on the roads is the problem with 154mph, not the speed itself. That is the argument here, if it put everyone in danger BUT, the source of the danger is not just the Leon driver, it's everyone else too. Like that muppet trying to get in a fight with a lorry playing dodgems on a motorway, that prick is a bigger menace to all our safety than Mr Leon because he's unpredictable, self righteous and filled with rage.
I always wonder if those who make comparisons with Germany realise there's more (proportional) death on Germany's roads, restricted or not.
154 can be perfectly safe. Chances are though, it presents more risk than driving at 70. Speed limits are crude risk-parameters. There's no bespoke risk-assessment being made on an individual basis. Roads exist to facilitate movement. 'Petrol heads' seemingly forget this on occasion.
154 can be perfectly safe. Chances are though, it presents more risk than driving at 70. Speed limits are crude risk-parameters. There's no bespoke risk-assessment being made on an individual basis. Roads exist to facilitate movement. 'Petrol heads' seemingly forget this on occasion.
154mph can't be safe. How can it? Public roads have debris, potholes even on motorways, diesel spill even if minor, etc.
Plus if you saw someone doing 154mph passed you would you automatically think 'cool guy'?
Speed feels great but looks cockish to anyone watching it.
I remember seeing a bloke approach me (at speed) on Snake pass and he was twitching/sawing slightly at the steering wheel round the bend and looking uncomfortable. If that was me I'd be lifting off and having a word with myself.
Leave speed to those who are trained to drive at speed.
Sorry for the rant
Plus if you saw someone doing 154mph passed you would you automatically think 'cool guy'?
Speed feels great but looks cockish to anyone watching it.
I remember seeing a bloke approach me (at speed) on Snake pass and he was twitching/sawing slightly at the steering wheel round the bend and looking uncomfortable. If that was me I'd be lifting off and having a word with myself.
Leave speed to those who are trained to drive at speed.
Sorry for the rant
speedking31 said:
If you took a roads policing/arv advanced driver in a suitable vehicle, in this day and age they wont be going over 150mph very often. Pursuit of that speed will often be canceled or left to a police helicopter. Doubt the most elite road policing officers are going 150plus very often.
At speeds like this the slightess lapse in judgement or in the video a bump can cause things to go very wrong very fast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKR-xmbLsZk
@ 154mph you are traveling at 225.8667 feet per second, at 110 mph 161.3334. Thats alot of ground for someone with relatively speaking not alot of driving experience and no additional training.
Edited by surveyor_101 on Friday 5th August 13:29
Edited by surveyor_101 on Friday 5th August 13:32
V8 Fettler said:
0.8G and a reaction time of 1.5 seconds should give you some ballpark figures.
average driver reaction timeReaction times vary greatly with situation and from person to person between about 0.7 to 3 seconds (sec or s) or more. Some accident reconstruction specialists use 1.5 seconds. A controlled study in 2000 (IEA2000_ABS51.pdf) found average driver reaction brake time to be 2.3 seconds.
so at 2.3 secs mr leon has traveled 158 metres before he has had time to react to anything! But yeh most folk can do it safely at 3am if the a11 traffic is light.
hora said:
StottyEvo said:
I'm with you on this Carinaman. I see some dangerously poor driving on an almost daily basis, but as it doesn't involve breaking the speed limit no one seems interested.
Indirectly implying about cameras?Do you think a Leon (any Street Leon) can safely be driven at that speed safely? Id say he's on the cars limit, his limit and adrenaline is flowing.
Anything public and I'm out. I don't agree with straight-line Charlie's on public roads.
There's a section of motorway that I've travelled a few times, I'm not sure if its the M62 east or M18 south (the motorways join) its arrow straight for as far as you can see, very wide and slightly downhill giving incredible visibility. The surface is very good with no potholes or awkward bumps. I would expect a Leon could be taken to 154mph in the correct traffic conditions indefinitely without incident.
I don't think the driver in the article met the conditions, as you say, I'd also imagine that he was pushing the limits of the car with his adrenaline through the roof.
carinaman said:
Someone that hasn't had an accident while speeding is prosecuted while the police aren't interested in the deficient driver in the Civic that endangered the lives of others on that road?
There's a lack of proportionality.
Those suggesting the Mechanic driver of the 154MPH Seat should have received a more punitive sentence should be kicking up a stink about why the police didn't get that Civic driver in court or on a 'driver improvement' course.
Playing dodgems on a Motorway while it's open to other road users should attract a minimum of 6 points?
There's a lack of proportionality.
Those suggesting the Mechanic driver of the 154MPH Seat should have received a more punitive sentence should be kicking up a stink about why the police didn't get that Civic driver in court or on a 'driver improvement' course.
Playing dodgems on a Motorway while it's open to other road users should attract a minimum of 6 points?
hora said:
StottyEvo said:
I'm with you on this Carinaman. I see some dangerously poor driving on an almost daily basis, but as it doesn't involve breaking the speed limit no one seems interested.
Indirectly implying about cameras?Do you think a Leon (any Street Leon) can safely be driven at that speed safely? Id say he's on the cars limit, his limit and adrenaline is flowing.
Anything public and I'm out. I don't agree with straight-line Charlie's on public roads.
Are you inferring that the 'Speed Kills' mantra is part of making the public accept the proliferation of speed cameras and justify the automatic prosecution and revenue generation?
I specifically cited that other current thread showing some terrible driving that the police seemed uninisterested in dealing with.
I also made the point that the 154mph Seat wasn't in an accident. The Civic changing lanes and then slowing caused an accident and endangered others on that Motorway, but there was no interest shown by the police in the available evidence.
It seems whichever of the Yorks. police forces it is are now looking into the way the police dealt with that incident.
I made a point about a lack of proportionality.
I'd certainly not like to be on the same roads as the red Civic driver. I'm not sure if I'd like to share the same road with the 154mph Seat driver but I've not seen any footage so don't have the same evidence to base that decision on.
I've previously gone out of my way to voice my concerns about a Civic driver. I thought their driving was inappropriate given the location and time of day and other people around. The police man behind the counter didn't seem that interested and I never had an update so I don't know if the Civic driver had a visit or call to suggest that their manner of driving wasn't appropriate for the location and time of day.
Driving is about quite a bit more than a number on a dashboard.
surveyor_101 said:
speedking31 said:
If you took a roads policing/arv advanced driver in a suitable vehicle, in this day and age they wont be going over 150mph very often. Pursuit of that speed will often be canceled or left to a police helicopter. Doubt the most elite road policing officers are going 150plus very often.
At speeds like this the slightess lapse in judgement or in the video a bump can cause things to go very wrong very fast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKR-xmbLsZk
@ 154mph you are traveling at 225.8667 feet per second, at 110 mph 161.3334. Thats alot of ground for someone with relatively speaking not alot of driving experience and no additional training.
surveyor_101 said:
V8 Fettler said:
0.8G and a reaction time of 1.5 seconds should give you some ballpark figures.
average driver reaction timeReaction times vary greatly with situation and from person to person between about 0.7 to 3 seconds (sec or s) or more. Some accident reconstruction specialists use 1.5 seconds. A controlled study in 2000 (IEA2000_ABS51.pdf) found average driver reaction brake time to be 2.3 seconds.
so at 2.3 secs mr leon has traveled 158 metres before he has had time to react to anything! But yeh most folk can do it safely at 3am if the a11 traffic is light.
anyone still think it isn't a little on the dangeous side?
Leaving aside the legality or wisdom of doing 154 mph on a public road, here's a little quiz for anyone who's interested:
You're doing 154 mph on an empty motorway when you see a car ahead in the distance doing half your speed, and you decide to slow down in case he does something silly.
So, when you're 150 metres from him, you apply moderate braking and decelerate at 4m/s^2
How fast are you going when you pass him?
You're doing 154 mph on an empty motorway when you see a car ahead in the distance doing half your speed, and you decide to slow down in case he does something silly.
So, when you're 150 metres from him, you apply moderate braking and decelerate at 4m/s^2
How fast are you going when you pass him?
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