Worth reporting this 'driver'?
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ATG said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
He's not lane hogging.
The van driver would merely have taken OP's place on the road. If the outermost lane was free, sure, that's lane hogging. But why should he just move over because someone behind him thinks you should tailgate the driver in front of you at all times?
This is such a depressing thread to read.
If the OP moves in to allow the van driver to pass and then pulls back out behind the van driver, should the van driver then move over to let the OP past? Some of you really should NOT be on the road.
I'd like to echo that final sentence. The level of stupidity and irresponsibility in some of the posts criticising the OP are depressing.The van driver would merely have taken OP's place on the road. If the outermost lane was free, sure, that's lane hogging. But why should he just move over because someone behind him thinks you should tailgate the driver in front of you at all times?
This is such a depressing thread to read.
If the OP moves in to allow the van driver to pass and then pulls back out behind the van driver, should the van driver then move over to let the OP past? Some of you really should NOT be on the road.
The situation the OP describes happens regularly. The root cause is usually muppets who drive up the middle lane nose to tail irrespective of what's happening around them. All you then need is someone to start crawling past them in lane 1 and you'll end up with a queue of cars in lane 1 waiting to get past the slightly slower moving traffic in lane 2.
In this situation the correct thing to do is to patiently wait for the plonker at the front of the queue in lane 1 to finally complete his feeble overtake.
The wrong thing to do is start overtaking on the left. In almost every case overtaking on the left means you are driving like an irresponsible tit.
Mike335i said:
How is it frustrating to advise someone to de-escalate a situation instead of defending their position? Forget about who is right or wrong, if you are faced with reckless behaviour by others, why is it anything other than sensible to avoid the confrontation is the first place?
It stops being about who can make better progress in what lane, but simply about an idiot driving dangerously and wether or not you choose to make the situation worse, just to be right. If there is someone tailgainting and you can get them off your bumper by moving over, just get out the way. It's not worth the aggro, let them be someone else's problem.
The 'why should i'? mentality is what is frustrating, both on the roads and in general.
This 100%. It stops being about who can make better progress in what lane, but simply about an idiot driving dangerously and wether or not you choose to make the situation worse, just to be right. If there is someone tailgainting and you can get them off your bumper by moving over, just get out the way. It's not worth the aggro, let them be someone else's problem.
The 'why should i'? mentality is what is frustrating, both on the roads and in general.
5Cylinder said:
Interesting,
If he isn't lane hogging how did the van come up the inside of him?
Because there's a difference between undertaking through a small gap to the left of a vehicle and then pulling back out 2 feet in front of it, and there being enough clear lane there to make it worthwhile for the OP to move to the left.If he isn't lane hogging how did the van come up the inside of him?
Quite how people can't see that difference is beyond me.
Mike335i said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
aking ref. to your appendage is odd behaviour.
I agreed, going from the pictures and description, I don't believe the OP is lane hogging. The fact people are of the opinion that he should move over, just so the van could take his place is what's frustrating to read.
How is it frustrating to advise someone to de-escalate a situation instead of defending their position? Forget about who is right or wrong, if you are faced with reckless behaviour by others, why is it anything other than sensible to avoid the confrontation is the first place?I agreed, going from the pictures and description, I don't believe the OP is lane hogging. The fact people are of the opinion that he should move over, just so the van could take his place is what's frustrating to read.
It stops being about who can make better progress in what lane, but simply about an idiot driving dangerously and wether or not you choose to make the situation worse, just to be right. If there is someone tailgainting and you can get them off your bumper by moving over, just get out the way. It's not worth the aggro, let them be someone else's problem.
The 'why should i'? mentality is what is frustrating, both on the roads and in general.
However, just because someone is tailgating you is not evidence that they're some deranged nutter. I often get tailgated by a range of road users who I don't perceive as a threat at all. In fact I'd argue the VAST majority of cars travel too close to the rear of my car.
roadsmash said:
Mike335i said:
How is it frustrating to advise someone to de-escalate a situation instead of defending their position? Forget about who is right or wrong, if you are faced with reckless behaviour by others, why is it anything other than sensible to avoid the confrontation is the first place?
It stops being about who can make better progress in what lane, but simply about an idiot driving dangerously and wether or not you choose to make the situation worse, just to be right. If there is someone tailgainting and you can get them off your bumper by moving over, just get out the way. It's not worth the aggro, let them be someone else's problem.
The 'why should i'? mentality is what is frustrating, both on the roads and in general.
This 100%. It stops being about who can make better progress in what lane, but simply about an idiot driving dangerously and wether or not you choose to make the situation worse, just to be right. If there is someone tailgainting and you can get them off your bumper by moving over, just get out the way. It's not worth the aggro, let them be someone else's problem.
The 'why should i'? mentality is what is frustrating, both on the roads and in general.
JimSuperSix said:
5Cylinder said:
Interesting,
If he isn't lane hogging how did the van come up the inside of him?
Because there's a difference between undertaking through a small gap to the left of a vehicle and then pulling back out 2 feet in front of it, and there being enough clear lane there to make it worthwhile for the OP to move to the left.If he isn't lane hogging how did the van come up the inside of him?
Quite how people can't see that difference is beyond me.
VeeFource said:
roadsmash said:
Oh you’re back! Hey!
You got that video yet?
I'd sooner give all my details to a scammer than give some of the retards on here more information they can't understandYou got that video yet?
Why reply to this post but not my others I made earlier in the thread?
Its obvious you’ve antagonised the van driver, which doesn’t necessarily make his move justified, but doesn’t make you innocent either.
The two photos you have posted do show you closing the gap, likely intentionally. You’ve not kept the 2-second rule, you’ve “lost” because the nasty man got in front of you, so you’ve got upset and posted it on the Internet.
Why won’t you just post the video so we can all eat humble pie?
I’ll tell you why, it’s because it will show the full story.
[quote=VeeFource]
If you move out of the way for every tailgater you'd never get anywhere and even more muppets would be inclined to join the tailgater brigade. Also how was I to know he'd take it to the next level of lunacy and drive up the inside if me? Most tailgaters don't and he wasn't the worst tailgater in the world either. I'm sure because this is PH someone will jump on the fact I've been tailgated more than once must mean I must be a persistent lane hog bla bla..
Sure thing, you carry on standing your ground, teach that tailgaiter brigade a lesson! Just don't be surprised when the hard of thinking and angry react poorly.
If you move out of the way for every tailgater you'd never get anywhere and even more muppets would be inclined to join the tailgater brigade. Also how was I to know he'd take it to the next level of lunacy and drive up the inside if me? Most tailgaters don't and he wasn't the worst tailgater in the world either. I'm sure because this is PH someone will jump on the fact I've been tailgated more than once must mean I must be a persistent lane hog bla bla..
Sure thing, you carry on standing your ground, teach that tailgaiter brigade a lesson! Just don't be surprised when the hard of thinking and angry react poorly.
Mike335i said:
VeeFource said:
If you move out of the way for every tailgater you'd never get anywhere and even more muppets would be inclined to join the tailgater brigade. Also how was I to know he'd take it to the next level of lunacy and drive up the inside if me? Most tailgaters don't and he wasn't the worst tailgater in the world either. I'm sure because this is PH someone will jump on the fact I've been tailgated more than once must mean I must be a persistent lane hog bla bla..
Sure thing, you carry on standing your ground, teach that tailgaiter brigade a lesson! Just don't be surprised when the hard of thinking and angry react poorly.VeeFource said:
ghost83 said:
Middle lane was clear you were hogging the outside lane which is an offence!
What on earth are you on about? If the middle lane is clear AND the outside lane was also clear in front of me, only then would I be hogging. I was travelling at the same speed as the vehicle in front of me with the intention of wanting to travel slightly faster. It's called being in a queue and by the sounds of it, you're as bad as the van driver if that's your logic of how roads work.Moving into the left lane is not going to get me going faster is it, unless you're advocating doing it to undertake people which is an offence.
roadsmash said:
Ha ha... we are the retards? Stop making it personal and upload the footage.
Why reply to this post but not my others I made earlier in the thread?
Its obvious you’ve antagonised the van driver, which doesn’t necessarily make his move justified, but doesn’t make you innocent either.
The two photos you have posted do show you closing the gap, likely intentionally. You’ve not kept the 2-second rule, you’ve “lost” because the nasty man got in front of you, so you’ve got upset and posted it on the Internet.
Why won’t you just post the video so we can all eat humble pie?
I’ll tell you why, it’s because it will show the full story.
Did you miss the brake lights in that first picture? It's called cause and effect.Why reply to this post but not my others I made earlier in the thread?
Its obvious you’ve antagonised the van driver, which doesn’t necessarily make his move justified, but doesn’t make you innocent either.
The two photos you have posted do show you closing the gap, likely intentionally. You’ve not kept the 2-second rule, you’ve “lost” because the nasty man got in front of you, so you’ve got upset and posted it on the Internet.
Why won’t you just post the video so we can all eat humble pie?
I’ll tell you why, it’s because it will show the full story.
Some are retards on here (the ones that think any time you have a gap to the left of you you're automatically lane hogging), not all. So you're twisting my words.
Posting the video doesn't prove anything. The driver could be a neighbour I've had a dispute with for years for all you know. If I post the video then people will be asking for the all the journey leading up to it. And maybe we should then ask every poster on the internet or bloke down the pub to substantiate their claims if they want to hold any credibility, where does it end?
I didn't start this thread to ask 'Am I right?'. I asked if I should report him and I certainly wouldn't bother reporting him if the video showed me brake checking or undertaking him previously. I've provided all the information about what happened and I've already said that if I had antagonised him in some way then this thread would be meaningless and his behaviour wouldn't have been a surprise.
Plenty of others have advised not to post it and for good reason, especially as by not posting it I still have the option to submit it if I change my mind. If you still think I'm hiding something then that's too bad for you.
Edited by VeeFource on Sunday 21st July 14:08
Edited by VeeFource on Sunday 21st July 14:18
To answer your question and to echo the sensible ones here - no, don't report it, move on with your life, better to have him in front of you than behind you. Key thing is to relax and not let others' woeful driving wind you up. Laugh it off (easy to do with a bit of creative thinking - maybe the bloke is dying for a number two and needs to get to the Services pronto or he'll soil his keks - better still, he's already done so), move on with your life.
It's a knob move, no mistake, but sadly motorway driving these days is 90% of the time a truly miserable experience because of others cock-socketry (MLMs, I'm looking at you in particular). When people drive properly, it's the safest place to drive. Sadly, that's all too rare.
Don't let the 'driving gods' drag you down to their level - we all do stupid things on the road sometimes (anyone who doesn't is either Reg Local or a freak).
Edited to add I'm not implying Reg is a freak - the two are mutually exclusive.
It's a knob move, no mistake, but sadly motorway driving these days is 90% of the time a truly miserable experience because of others cock-socketry (MLMs, I'm looking at you in particular). When people drive properly, it's the safest place to drive. Sadly, that's all too rare.
Don't let the 'driving gods' drag you down to their level - we all do stupid things on the road sometimes (anyone who doesn't is either Reg Local or a freak).
Edited to add I'm not implying Reg is a freak - the two are mutually exclusive.
Edited by clayts450 on Sunday 21st July 14:07
Edited by clayts450 on Sunday 21st July 14:12
JimSuperSix said:
Problem is, he is correct - tailgating is now the norm, especially on busy motorways, and if you moved over into small gaps for every single person that drives too close you would never get anywhere, because nobody will ever let you back out when you come up behind the next car 5 seconds later.
If tailgating is the norm for you, it says as much about your own driving as it does the people doing the tailgating. Sten. said:
If tailgating is the norm for you, it says as much about your own driving as it does the people doing the tailgating.
Oh what a load of crap. When roads like the M6 get busy I doubt you'd be waiting more than a few minutes before seeing someone driving sub 2 seconds behind the vehicle in front. And when is there ever due cause to tailgate and maintain a sub 2 second gap, particularly on a motorway?VeeFource said:
Did you miss the brake lights in that first picture?
No I didn’t.To maintain the 2-second rule you should have braked too (just like the other car did in lane 2 who has slowed their speed at the same rate as the van in front of you, presumably due to congestion in front).
I’d also just like to say I have a gut feeling that the traffic is actually a lot slower than 60mph, which is another reason why I don’t think you’re posting it.
VeeFource said:
Posting the video doesn't prove anything. The driver could be a neighbour I've had a dispute with for years for all you know.
Unlikely. Ridiculous comment.VeeFource said:
I didn't start this thread to ask 'Am I right?'. I asked if I should report him and I certainly wouldn't bother reporting him if the video showed me brake checking or undertaking him previously. I've provided all the information about what happened and I've already said that if I had antagonised him in some way then this thread would be meaningless and his behaviour wouldn't have been a surprise.
It’s obvious you were never going to submit footage to the police. If you were actually seriously considering that after having a day to cool down, then you’re a very sad person. Someone’s cut you up, it’s wrong, but it happens every single day to millions of motorists.You could have been weaving all over the road. You don’t care about you’re own driving, you just want reassurance based on the bias pictures you’ve uploaded. Purely to make you feel better. This is why you’ve taken it so personally on here once you realised the thread didn’t go how you expected it to go.
VeeFource said:
Plenty of others have advised not to post it and for good reason, especially as by not posting it I still have the option to submit it if I change my mind. If your still think I'm hiding something then that's too bad for you.
You are aware that the picture you’ve uploaded includes the driver’s number plate don’t you? Uploading the video makes no difference. VeeFource said:
If your still think I'm hiding something then that's too bad for you.
I don’t think, I know. It’s obvious. I see your type of drivers all the time unfortunately. Fuming when people get passed you either legally or not. Too much of a wimp to say anything to the driver’s face, you’d rather upload bias information to the Internet when you get home.People cut me up all the time, I just move on with my life. There’s a lot more things to get stressed about.
This dilemma you’ve got has no relevance in my life apart from pure entertainment. You’re the fire, I’m the fuel.
roadsmash said:
VeeFource said:
Did you miss the brake lights in that first picture?
No I didn’t.To maintain the 2-second rule you should have braked too (just like the other car did in lane 2 who has slowed their speed at the same rate as the van in front of you, presumably due to congestion in front).
roadsmash said:
I’d also just like to say I have a gut feeling that the traffic is actually a lot slower than 60mph, which is another reason why I don’t think you’re posting it.
A "gut feeling" huh? I feel sorry for whoever gets you on jury duty.roadsmash said:
VeeFource said:
Posting the video doesn't prove anything. The driver could be a neighbour I've had a dispute with for years for all you know.
Unlikely. Ridiculous comment.VeeFource said:
I didn't start this thread to ask 'Am I right?'. I asked if I should report him and I certainly wouldn't bother reporting him if the video showed me brake checking or undertaking him previously. I've provided all the information about what happened and I've already said that if I had antagonised him in some way then this thread would be meaningless and his behaviour wouldn't have been a surprise.
It’s obvious you were never going to submit footage to the police. If you were actually seriously considering that after having a day to cool down, then you’re a very sad person. Someone’s cut you up, it’s wrong, but it happens every single day to millions of motorists.roadsmash said:
You could have been weaving all over the road. You don’t care about you’re own driving, you just want reassurance based on the bias pictures you’ve uploaded. Purely to make you feel better. This is why you’ve taken it so personally on here once you realised the thread didn’t go how you expected it to go.
Reassurance of what? He got his way, it's not like I got mine and he was miffed about it. Or do you mean that I back off and I need reassurance thst was the right thing? Well the car is still in one piece which it wouldn't have been if I hadn't so don't need confirmation for that either. And I also know he was a prat so don't need support for that.roadsmash said:
VeeFource said:
Plenty of others have advised not to post it and for good reason, especially as by not posting it I still have the option to submit it if I change my mind. If your still think I'm hiding something then that's too bad for you.
You are aware that the picture you’ve uploaded includes the driver’s number plate don’t you? Uploading the video makes no difference. VeeFource said:
If your still think I'm hiding something then that's too bad for you.
I don’t think, I know. It’s obvious. I see your type of drivers all the time unfortunately. Fuming when people get passed you either legally or not. Too much of a wimp to say anything to the driver’s face, you’d rather upload bias information to the Internet when you get home.People cut me up all the time, I just move on with my life. There’s a lot more things to get stressed about.
This dilemma you’ve got has no relevance in my life apart from pure entertainment. You’re the fire, I’m the fuel.
BertBert said:
It just happens loads and loads. It's best to anticipate, leave a gap and not get stressed about it. If the van wants to pull out, lift off give him a friendly flash, job done. No escalation and a bucket full of moral high ground is yours for the taking.
Bert
Agree. In those photos, lane 1 looks free enough. Quite easy to go from lane 1 to lane 2 to overtake the odd truck or several. Then perhaps a burst in lane 3 when clear enough.Bert
At the end of the day, you will rarely outpace a determined/reckless small hatch or a medium van on a crowded motorway/dual carriageway.
Back to the original question, there is little from what I have seen that will ensure posting anything with the police will get the van prosecuted, and it may all rebound anyway.
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