Other driver pranged barrier while overtaking.
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Bill said:
You are the pick up driver AICMFP. In English please
Buses don't screech to a halt for a stop It'd have been slowing (and probably indicating) for a while. Overtaking there was the act of a Muppet.
Your confidence in bus drivers ( It'd have been slowing and probably indicating for a while. ) is maybe a bit more "muppetry" than the overtaking 4x4 Buses don't screech to a halt for a stop It'd have been slowing (and probably indicating) for a while. Overtaking there was the act of a Muppet.
Dont like rolls said:
?? Do you think I am saying the 4x4 was clever with his choice ?
No, but you do seem to think (and have argued for days...) that the 4x4 driver wasn't at fault.The OP's wife should have looked, but what she did was entirely predictable. The 4x4 driver is an impatient arse.
Bill said:
No, but you do seem to think (and have argued for days...) that the 4x4 driver wasn't at fault.
The OP's wife should have looked, but what she did was entirely predictable. The 4x4 driver is an impatient arse.
Being an impatient arse is not an offence however and remember, that pull out --could-- have been fatal with that drop off. The OP's wife should have looked, but what she did was entirely predictable. The 4x4 driver is an impatient arse.
The OP's wife was very close to "death by reckless". A few yard on and he would not be scraping the barriers but plunging down the embankment.
Dont like rolls said:
Being an impatient arse is not an offence however and remember, that pull out --could-- have been fatal with that drop off.
The OP's wife was very close to "death by reckless"
It is an offence if you drive carelessly...The OP's wife was very close to "death by reckless"
He tried to overtake a car as the bus ahead was slowing and pulling in. I'd say that fell below the standard expected of a driver as she is clearly going to pull out to go round.
ETA he binned it because he's a knob. No more, no less.
Bill said:
I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. But consider this, if you're alone arguing with all comers (50 posts in this thread...) perhaps you should reconsider...
I am discussing, I am not augmentative. I have answered direct questions challenging my take on this, to ignore would be rude.
Just as many think the "Pulling out without Looking" driver was at fault. A similar % should read the Highway Code
It is a very interesting subject.
This thread is EXACTLY why I now use a Dash-Cam in both my cars.....-- I pulled out around a Bus, I did not cross the line -- -- a 4x4 dematerialised in a barrier next to me -- -- I did not look in my mirror but they are at fault for being there --
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Edited by Dont like rolls on Saturday 15th February 08:16
Bill said:
I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. But consider this, if you're alone arguing with all comers (50 posts in this thread...) perhaps you should reconsider...
I haven't kept up with the thread, apologies, are the police involved at all?In any case, none of us appear to have a first hand account, so to some degree is all conjecture. Where you apportion blame between the parties would depend on a number of factors (for example, at what point did the overtaker begin his manoeuvre, at what speed, what was the other traffic doing at the time, was the queue stationary, etc.).
Is there cause to believe the overtaker hit the barriers for any other reason than evading the OP's OH pulling out or at least making to pull out?
If you assumed the overtaker was taking a liberty in his overtake, would that release the OPs wife of her obligation to manoeuvre safely on her own? Would his overtake be so unexpected and difficult to mitigate through observation that a careful and competent driver could not have been expected to avoid the incident?
Many accidents are the result of two or more errors by separate parties. It's reasonable to suppose, based on the limited information I have at least, that both perhaps made errors of judgment in this one.
Bill said:
Say she looks and realises he's coming through, then what? She has to stop behind the slightly sticking out bus to avoid the 4X4 slamming into her.
What percentage fault would you apportion to each driver?
In that case she would only be slammed into if she pulled out in front of someone when she shouldn't have done.What percentage fault would you apportion to each driver?
Asking another question: you are 3 or 4 cars back in a queue behind a moving bus, it pulls over to a bus stop but remains blocking your lane. The bus and 3 drivers between you and it slow to a halt. None are signalling or positioning their vehicles as if they intend to go around the bus. You have a good view of the road ahead and can see the opposite lane will remain clear for long enough to overtake the traffic stationary in front of you and return to your lane.
Why do you not overtake? If you do overtake, what law(s) are you breaking (having reference to the Highway Code regards s.2 or s.3 offences?
Last point. It's impossible to apportion percentage blame here as we don't have any proper first hand account of the circumstances from both sides and/or witnesses.
janesmith1950 said:
Last point. It's impossible to apportion percentage blame here as we don't have any proper first hand account of the circumstances from both sides and/or witnesses.
I'm just curious as Rolls doesn't seem to think the 4x4 driver did anything wrong.As far as your irrelevant scenario goes, I'd probably wait. Passing that many cars when any one of them could get impatient and pull out (without looking, because they're human) is a recipe for a crash. If I was to pass I'd go slowly enough to respond to cues someone's about to have a look.
Bill said:
janesmith1950 said:
Last point. It's impossible to apportion percentage blame here as we don't have any proper first hand account of the circumstances from both sides and/or witnesses.
I'm just curious as Rolls doesn't seem to think the 4x4 driver did anything wrong.As far as your irrelevant scenario goes, I'd probably wait. Passing that many cars when any one of them could get impatient and pull out (without looking, because they're human) is a recipe for a crash. If I was to pass I'd go slowly enough to respond to cues someone's about to have a look.
Bill said:
Because the bus was mostly out of the way and the cars were still moving, so it's highly likely the front car will pull out.
4x4 was (must have been) already committed before the bus pulled inDont like rolls said:
Legally he did not (maybe a bit "impatient arse") .......the ONLY offence committed (that we know about) was by the other driver Pulling Out without looking. Being "surprised" by the 4x4 in the barrier next to them is admitting -- Careless/Driving Without Due Care -- and is very lucky it is not -- Causing serious injury by dangerous driving --
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