Blanket 20mph limit across Wales from 2023
Discussion
camel_landy said:
Oh look, kill the Newport bypass then consider charges through the 50mph Newport zone. Marvelous...bigothunter said:
Evanivitch said:
bigothunter said:
Buses, bus lanes and 20 mph exemptions have potential in the extreme south and north east corner. But over the vast majority of Wales, there simply aren't enough people to make buses viable.
Which is why, for a time, a on-demand (demand responsive services) bus service was available in several rural areas.https://nation.cymru/news/rural-bwcabus-service-ax...
https://www.fflecsi.wales/locations/pembrokeshire/
and the subsidised coastal bus to pick up people along the coastal path but it's very limited.
Bus route to get to say Tenby or along is every 90 mins, for a 20 min journey
Not that we've any bus lanes - once again thats another policy more suited to the main city areas.
Edited by Byker28i on Tuesday 21st November 13:14
camel_landy said:
Evanivitch said:
Swansea kept the wrong train station (Victoria was located where LC2 is now), which is why there's the historical disconnect between the bus station and the train station.
...and that makes it better because?M
Moving Swansea train station is a non-starter. Moving the bus station doesn't benefit the people using it.
Swansea could also do with the trams back, or at least a light rail line Mumbles, and better use of the district line and SWML in the city.
Evanivitch said:
Moving Swansea train station is a non-starter. Moving the bus station doesn't benefit the people using it.
No but it's a perfect example of a lack of joined up thinking... Much like other towns where I've seen an hourly bus service scheduled to depart from a main-line railway station 3mins BEFORE a train is due to arrive. <sigh>Evanivitch said:
Swansea could also do with the trams back...
HOLY CRAP!! 
Something we actually agree on.
M
camel_landy said:
Evanivitch said:
Moving Swansea train station is a non-starter. Moving the bus station doesn't benefit the people using it.
No but it's a perfect example of a lack of joined up thinking... Much like other towns where I've seen an hourly bus service scheduled to depart from a main-line railway station 3mins BEFORE a train is due to arrive. <sigh>Evanivitch said:
Swansea could also do with the trams back...
HOLY CRAP!! Something we actually agree on.
M
Evanivitch said:
Having a train line running down High Street to Oxford Street wouldn't be a bad idea would it ...
IMO - Kingsway would have been better... Then a tram continuing down St Helen's rd to Mumbles.I'd also have a Park & Ride by Bay Campus with a fast tram from there to both City Centre & Singleton (to continue to Mumbles).
M
camel_landy said:
IMO - Kingsway would have been better... Then a tram continuing down St Helen's rd to Mumbles.
I'd also have a Park & Ride by Bay Campus with a fast tram from there to both City Centre & Singleton (to continue to Mumbles).
M
Oh FFS, you want to dig up Kingsway again? I'd also have a Park & Ride by Bay Campus with a fast tram from there to both City Centre & Singleton (to continue to Mumbles).
M
Yeah, I'd say a T-shaped network running from Liberty via train station to Parc Tawe, meeting an East-West Mumbles to Bay campus.
It actually wouldn't be the most disruptive route to build.
Evanivitch said:
camel_landy said:
IMO - Kingsway would have been better... Then a tram continuing down St Helen's rd to Mumbles.
I'd also have a Park & Ride by Bay Campus with a fast tram from there to both City Centre & Singleton (to continue to Mumbles).
M
Oh FFS, you want to dig up Kingsway again? I'd also have a Park & Ride by Bay Campus with a fast tram from there to both City Centre & Singleton (to continue to Mumbles).
M
Yeah, I'd say a T-shaped network running from Liberty via train station to Parc Tawe, meeting an East-West Mumbles to Bay campus.
It actually wouldn't be the most disruptive route to build.
M
It's a good job that Cardiff bus station hasn't been moved from right outside Central Railway station isn't it 
Oh and the proposed pollution taxes on the M4 at Newport and on a stretch of the A470 will drive away businesses and push traffic off the major routes to avoid the pollution charges.
Are the WG trying to bankrupt Wales?
Oh and the proposed pollution taxes on the M4 at Newport and on a stretch of the A470 will drive away businesses and push traffic off the major routes to avoid the pollution charges.
Are the WG trying to bankrupt Wales?
Tyre Tread said:
It's a good job that Cardiff bus station hasn't been moved from right outside Central Railway station isn't it
Oh and the proposed pollution taxes on the M4 at Newport and on a stretch of the A470 will drive away businesses and push traffic off the major routes to avoid the pollution charges.
Are the WG trying to bankrupt Wales?
Just as a balancing comment a bus station right out the front of central will open next year, original was flattened because it was horrible, stank of piss and a pretty unsafe area. Nice new undercover one in a much smartened up area is 95% complete. Nothing to do with the assembly, all privately financed. Oh and the proposed pollution taxes on the M4 at Newport and on a stretch of the A470 will drive away businesses and push traffic off the major routes to avoid the pollution charges.
Are the WG trying to bankrupt Wales?
Appreciate this thread is about the 20mph but in my eyes the biggest mess up was cancelling the M4 bypass.
KobayashiMaru86 said:
Finding even more that 15 is the new 20 and the commute is becoming painful. Then we get to a 30 and people still so 15-20. Get to NSL and they don't breach 40. I overtake so much now. Can't wait to get back on the motorbike as I'll save way more time.
Drakeford's plan is working.You need to commute on busses in bus lanes exempted from 20mph restrictions and the congestion they cause.
oakdale said:
WG criticised for telling porkies.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/wels...
No, they weren't.https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/wels...
The numbers haven't been put into doubt.
The criticism is that the source referenced wasn't the original source, and that the original analysis was not made public.
Back in your box.
Evanivitch said:
oakdale said:
WG criticised for telling porkies.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/wels...
No, they weren't.https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/wels...
The numbers haven't been put into doubt.
The criticism is that the source referenced wasn't the original source, and that the original analysis was not made public.
Back in your box.
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