Mrs got into a fender bender
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Tommo87 said:
Well Heebee, that’s because 99.99% of motorists will carry on the A4 in the left hand lane of the DC.
Someone who works for the road planners explained how you cannot make something moron proof doe the 0.01%.
The last traffic survey on that stretch of road put the traffic at 17,000 vehicles per day. That means if 99.99% of traffic is in the correct lane, at least once a day it won't be. If you know at least once a day a person in the left hand lane will go all the way around passed the exit, surely you'd anticipate that when you've a car on your nearside?Someone who works for the road planners explained how you cannot make something moron proof doe the 0.01%.
Tommo87 said:
Well Heebee, that’s because 99.99% of motorists will carry on the A4 in the left hand lane of the DC.
Someone who works for the road planners explained how you cannot make something moron proof doe the 0.01%.
What part of the country are you in, if you think 0.01% are doing roundabouts properly? But even then, 0.01% of 40 million vehicles is 4,000, there's still lots out thereSomeone who works for the road planners explained how you cannot make something moron proof doe the 0.01%.
I'm on the edge of the West Mids, where there are almost no rules, and no way is 99% of people doing rabs properly, not least on some of the huge ones, with 6 lanes and multitudes of traffic lights.
The scenario of this thread is very common, I see it every day (almost always they avoid colliding, there's usually just delay and plenty of horn) so I learnt the lessons a long time ago.
There are basic tenets, such as NEVER assume, and always try to keep space around you, avoid needlessly driving side by side, etc.
It's corrected now, but for many years this was the junction where to end up in the correct lane you started in the wrong one, and vice versa.
MightyBadger said:
If you think mr bmw was in the wrong somehow theres no point discussing anything further, good day 
You should maybe check in for some refresher classes too, stay safe.
There aren't any refresher courses that teach you to drive poorly. No driving instructor would teach to drive like Mr BMW, even on your driving lessons you weren't taught to drive like Mr BMW. You should maybe check in for some refresher classes too, stay safe.
Mr BMW wouldn't have been taught to "assume" either, quite likely the complete opposite.
You and Mr BMW do show why compulsory retesting would be a great thing.
Tommo87 said:
We already know that you will be driving like the OPs wife and expecting everyone else to avoid you.
You have made that point very clear, in your previous posts, when you avoid ANY suggestion that you/she could possibly be in the wrong lane.
And yet just yesterday at 08.04 I said You have made that point very clear, in your previous posts, when you avoid ANY suggestion that you/she could possibly be in the wrong lane.
heebeegeetee said:
To be clear, I don't think BMW man is to blame for causing the collision, nor to blame for Mrs OP being in the wrong lane, but he does have blame or responsibility for*what happened to him* because I think that was easily avoided, as 90+% of collisions are.
and have maintained this position throughout the thread.heebeegeetee said:
Tommo87 said:
Well Heebee, that’s because 99.99% of motorists will carry on the A4 in the left hand lane of the DC.
Someone who works for the road planners explained how you cannot make something moron proof doe the 0.01%.
What part of the country are you in, if you think 0.01% are doing roundabouts properly? But even then, 0.01% of 40 million vehicles is 4,000, there's still lots out thereSomeone who works for the road planners explained how you cannot make something moron proof doe the 0.01%.
Why don’t you answer the question you have been avoiding and defending against the whole thread. Without pictures of clearly obvious exceptions.
Do YOU think it’s correct to enter ANY roundabout with multiple exits in this country in the outside LANE and then traverse three quarters of the length, crossing every exit in that same outside lane.
To be clear, this is the behaviour that everyone else is saying is wrong and YOU and others on here have been monumentally stroppy over defending.
Simple answer, YES or NO.?
Forester1965 said:
The last traffic survey on that stretch of road put the traffic at 17,000 vehicles per day. That means if 99.99% of traffic is in the correct lane, at least once a day it won't be. If you know at least once a day a person in the left hand lane will go all the way around passed the exit, surely you'd anticipate that when you've a car on your nearside?
Have you never diven in heavy traffic on a similar road to this? thousands of cars side by side no problem. Slow moving traffic on a motorway, same.Tommo87 said:
heebeegeetee said:
Tommo87 said:
Well Heebee, that’s because 99.99% of motorists will carry on the A4 in the left hand lane of the DC.
Someone who works for the road planners explained how you cannot make something moron proof doe the 0.01%.
What part of the country are you in, if you think 0.01% are doing roundabouts properly? But even then, 0.01% of 40 million vehicles is 4,000, there's still lots out thereSomeone who works for the road planners explained how you cannot make something moron proof doe the 0.01%.
Why don’t you answer the question you have been avoiding and defending against the whole thread. Without pictures of clearly obvious exceptions.
Do YOU think it’s correct to enter ANY roundabout with multiple exits in this country in the outside LANE and then traverse three quarters of the length, crossing every exit in that same outside lane.
To be clear, this is the behaviour that everyone else is saying is wrong and YOU and others on here have been monumentally stroppy over defending.
Simple answer, YES or NO.?
Would you like to post one quote where I say ANY of the above?
How is this not clear enough? :
heebeegeetee said:
To be clear, I don't think BMW man is to blame for causing the collision, nor to blame for Mrs OP being in the wrong lane, but he does have blame or responsibility for*what happened to him* because I think that was easily avoided, as 90+% of collisions are.
heebeegeetee said:
Tommo87 said:
heebeegeetee said:
Tommo87 said:
Well Heebee, that’s because 99.99% of motorists will carry on the A4 in the left hand lane of the DC.
Someone who works for the road planners explained how you cannot make something moron proof doe the 0.01%.
What part of the country are you in, if you think 0.01% are doing roundabouts properly? But even then, 0.01% of 40 million vehicles is 4,000, there's still lots out thereSomeone who works for the road planners explained how you cannot make something moron proof doe the 0.01%.
Why don’t you answer the question you have been avoiding and defending against the whole thread. Without pictures of clearly obvious exceptions.
Do YOU think it’s correct to enter ANY roundabout with multiple exits in this country in the outside LANE and then traverse three quarters of the length, crossing every exit in that same outside lane.
To be clear, this is the behaviour that everyone else is saying is wrong and YOU and others on here have been monumentally stroppy over defending.
Simple answer, YES or NO.?
Would you like to post one quote where I say ANY of the above?
How is this not clear enough? :
heebeegeetee said:
To be clear, I don't think BMW man is to blame for causing the collision, nor to blame for Mrs OP being in the wrong lane, but he does have blame or responsibility for*what happened to him* because I think that was easily avoided, as 90+% of collisions are.
You do navigate across multiple exits in the outside lane, and would do that as normal.
Which explains why you won’t criticise the behaviour and instead choose to divert attention to joint blame.
Edited by Tommo87 on Wednesday 20th March 10:03
heebeegeetee said:
There aren't any refresher courses that teach you to drive poorly. No driving instructor would teach to drive like Mr BMW, even on your driving lessons you weren't taught to drive like Mr BMW.
Mr BMW wouldn't have been taught to "assume" either, quite likely the complete opposite.
You and Mr BMW do show why compulsory retesting would be a great thing.
I never said 'drive like the bmw' just that he was doing no wrong and the ops mrs was the one who messed up, thats all.Mr BMW wouldn't have been taught to "assume" either, quite likely the complete opposite.
You and Mr BMW do show why compulsory retesting would be a great thing.
Carry on doing 'your thing'.
Tommo87 said:
To be clear. You are therefore saying YES.
You do navigate across multiple exits in the outside lane, and would do that as normal.
Which explains why you won’t criticise the behaviour and instead choose to divert attention to joint blame.
So when I say Mrs OP is in the wrong lane, you read that as the complete opposite to what I'm saying? You do navigate across multiple exits in the outside lane, and would do that as normal.
Which explains why you won’t criticise the behaviour and instead choose to divert attention to joint blame.
Edited by Tommo87 on Wednesday 20th March 10:03
When I say NO, you extrapolate that to YES?
To be quick and clear, I think Mrs OP was in the wrong lane and entirely wrong for what she did.
For the 3rd time (I think) , I consider Mr BMW has blame or responsibility *for what happened to him*.
I put it in asterisks to try and be clear and separate the actions of the two different people, but you've managed to extrapolate the total 100% opposite of my position through the entire thread.
The description below is misleading.The A4 at Shepards Hill is a very large 2 lane gyratory rather than a conventional roundabout.
This is reinforced by the descriptive sign here - https://maps.app.goo.gl/kByCCAe2f1nMrHqy5
If proceeding past the A4 exit, there is no way that any driver should still be in the left hand lane at that point.
frenmor said:
she was driving around a roundabout in the left lane intending to exit at 3 o clock.
If one is intending to take an exit at the 3 o'clock position, basic common sense would indicate that one should be in the right hand lane.This is reinforced by the descriptive sign here - https://maps.app.goo.gl/kByCCAe2f1nMrHqy5
If proceeding past the A4 exit, there is no way that any driver should still be in the left hand lane at that point.
frenmor said:
What do you guys think? What will insurance say? 50/50?
I'll bet they will apply the Grace v Tanner decision when apportioning liability.MightyBadger said:
I never said 'drive like the bmw' just that he was doing no wrong and the ops mrs was the one who messed up, thats all.
Carry on doing 'your thing'.
If you think BMW did no wrong then surely you'd do the same? Carry on doing 'your thing'.
I wouldn't do the same because I think he did wrong. He made an assumption of what the other driver was doing, and by giving himself no free space he was clobbered by a driver who was entirely in the wrong.
And THEN - when it comes to insurance, there is the view (and fact) that she remained in her lane as it goes around the roundabout and he had to cross lane 1 to exit from lane 2, so I think it'll go 50/50.
Like Paul on this thread, he may then take the whole thing to court and fight his case (bearing in mind he's admitted to currently involved in 2 other cases) and get the 50/50 changed, but what a lot of hassle.
I would seek to avoid all that, but you think I'd be doing wrong.
heebeegeetee said:
If you think BMW did no wrong then surely you'd do the same?
He wasn't doing anything illegal or dangerous.I would of been in the left lane personally, less chance of getting hit by a mentalist in the wrong lane.
If I was the ops mrs I would of been travelling in the right hand lane to peel off right.
s
t happens,MightyBadger said:
heebeegeetee said:
If you think BMW did no wrong then surely you'd do the same?
He wasn't doing anything illegal or dangerous.I would of been in the left lane personally, less chance of getting hit by a mentalist in the wrong lane.
If I was the ops mrs I would of been travelling in the right hand lane to peel off right.
s
t happens,We all make mistakes, but I think the better drivers avoid colliding with those making mistakes.
heebeegeetee said:
I agree with pretty much all that, but people in the wrong lane aren't necessarily mentalists, as found in Tanner v Grace.
We all make mistakes, but I think the better drivers avoid colliding with those making mistakes.
My biggest enjoyment in driving is anticipating others’ mistakes before they do and mitigating those mistakes, often without them even knowing. Yes, I must admit I do sometimes give them a scare to show how close they came.We all make mistakes, but I think the better drivers avoid colliding with those making mistakes.
heebeegeetee said:
To be quick and clear, I think Mrs OP was in the wrong lane and entirely wrong for what she did.
For the 3rd time (I think) , I consider Mr BMW has blame or responsibility *for what happened to him*.
You can't say the Mrs was in the wrong and entirely wrong and then still portion some blame onto the motorist doing nothing wrong For the 3rd time (I think) , I consider Mr BMW has blame or responsibility *for what happened to him*.
Convinced you are 100% trolling now
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