Grassing up a Covid **** taker.

[survivalist]

anonymous said:

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If people are that worried, carry a spare mask and ask them to wear it.

I collected some stuff if bought on a forum last weekend. The seller said his partner was shielding and as a result would I mind wearing a mask and, ideally, gloves. I was happy to do so (was going to wear gloves anyway as the item had been on the car and I don’t want to get my interior dirty) as it clearly made him more comfortable.

Not everything related to covid measures has to be some kind of ideological stand off.

[survivalist]

Leptons said:

survivalist said:

The passenger can always refuse to get in. Think Uber insist on masks and no front seat passengers, no screens though.

Stupidly, when going to collect my car last week getting a lift with a friend (who works from home, kids home schooling) we are each risking getting fined £200. Get a cab with an unmasked driver who has had a loads of other people in his cab - absolutely fine.

“We’re from the same household officer”.

As they aren’t doing courtesy cars ‘because of covid’ I needed a lift each way. One was a friend and one was a taxi - I’d be willing to bet that latter was more likely to expose me to covid :-)

[Electro1980]

anonymous said:

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It’s not absolutely fine though. It’s a breach of H&S and could see the company shut down.

[Killboy]

1820 deaths

Our 7 day average deaths is now 1217 per day, 29% higher than the first "wave".

[mikeveal]

Killboy said:

1820 deaths

Our 7 day average deaths is now 1217 per day, 29% higher than the first "wave".

It should keep rising for about another week and a half before the lockdown takes effect.

[Sheepshanks]

NikBartlett said:

anonymous said:

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Keeerching - like shooting fish in a barrel

Only half are being paid. I wouldn't be surprised if it costs more to process these penalties than they raise.

[survivalist]

anonymous said:

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Is it? As far as I can see the law states that passengers are legally obliged to wear face coverings, but for drivers it's only guidance.

I could see how it would be a health and safety concern for a driver if his employer were refusing to let him wear a mask, but this is the opposite, they are merely giving him/her the choice.

[CharlesdeGaulle]

I know that marky can't rather than won't, but where's Phil? I am, genuinely, interested in his take on this.

[survivalist]

anonymous said:

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NikBartlett said:

anonymous said:

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Keeerching - like shooting fish in a barrel

Only half are being paid. I wouldn't be surprised if it costs more to process these penalties than they raise.

Probably why house parties have now been upped to £800.

Think the £800 fine is just so that all the people huffing and puffing about rule breakers feel better and/or that the government are doing something.

[survivalist]

anonymous said:

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I'd prefer it if they focussed their efforts on getting people who actually have covid, or are likely to spread it to the vulnerable, to stay at home. Currently it seems a bit like the University parties they were cracking down in September - mostly pointless in terms of actually preventing spread to those who might need a hospital bed.

[Jasandjules]

Can anyone confirm if the tweets about the amended WHO guidance are correct?

[Durzel]

anonymous said:

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Hindsight is 20/20 though.

[Killboy]

Jasandjules said:

Can anyone confirm if the tweets about the amended WHO guidance are correct?

Another reference to twitter without a link.

May I suggest you read this - https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/share-a-... - and then let us know what you are talking about.

[survivalist]

anonymous said:

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Not sure it's about hindsight.

Track and trace is still failing to contact over 10% of people with a positive test. At the moment that's roughly 4000 people per day. I'd suggest that their time would better spent helping with the effort to contact them and ensure they are not spreading covid, rather than hassling people who are having a beer with their friends.

After all, assuming the test is accurate, they'd then be targeting people who could actually be spreading covid.

[Pit Pony]

NikBartlett said:

21st Century Man said:

The last time I chatted with my FiL he was of the opinion that the virus was only being spread by people not following the guidance and if these people would just do as they were asked there would be no more lockdowns, restrictions could be eased and we'd be through this, it was all their fault so they only had themselves to blame for prolonging it. It seems to be a very prevalent belief.

But this is what they want us to believe, otherwise people will think the virus is not spread this way and they'll lose control of the population. They are relying on maybe 90% of the population not questioning the information they are being fed, it's a very impressive pysops exercise.

Why is the virus spreading ? What can I do to stop it? How can I protect myself and my vulnerable loved ones ? I have no option other than to agree with 21st century man's Father in Law - who by the way sounds like a very responsible upstanding citizen, who deserves respect.

[omniflow]

Pit Pony said:

Why is the virus spreading ? What can I do to stop it? How can I protect myself and my vulnerable loved ones ? I have no option other than to agree with 21st century man's Father in Law - who by the way sounds like a very responsible upstanding citizen, who deserves respect.

Hmmm....

Workplaces are still open.
Schools are still open (despite the headlines, some of them are pretty busy)
Nurseries are still open

Maybe the virus is spreading via these places?

There are also things like weddings and funerals and house parties that are totally out of alignment with what people should be doing - and the people organising them and attending them are deplorable assholes - they are not the main cause of the spread.

As I have said before, figuring out a practical way to offer daycare to the children of key-workers should be the priority - without having them in a school environment where they mix to a far greater extent than other children are currently doing. Shipping them off to strangers in the countryside (as we did in WW2) probably won't pass muster these days, so we probably some kind of modified support bubble, possibly with some kind of payment involved. This would then have the added benefit of ALL children receiving their education remotely which would allow all teachers to focus 100% on this method of delivery.

[NikBartlett]

Pit Pony said:

NikBartlett said:

21st Century Man said:

The last time I chatted with my FiL he was of the opinion that the virus was only being spread by people not following the guidance and if these people would just do as they were asked there would be no more lockdowns, restrictions could be eased and we'd be through this, it was all their fault so they only had themselves to blame for prolonging it. It seems to be a very prevalent belief.

But this is what they want us to believe, otherwise people will think the virus is not spread this way and they'll lose control of the population. They are relying on maybe 90% of the population not questioning the information they are being fed, it's a very impressive pysops exercise.

Why is the virus spreading ? What can I do to stop it? How can I protect myself and my vulnerable loved ones ? I have no option other than to agree with 21st century man's Father in Law - who by the way sounds like a very responsible upstanding citizen, who deserves respect.

So it's not being spread in hospitals, schools, supermarkets or workplaces where people are simply going about their legitimate business and with the best intentions following the guidance ?

[21st Century Man]

Pit Pony said:

NikBartlett said:

21st Century Man said:

The last time I chatted with my FiL he was of the opinion that the virus was only being spread by people not following the guidance and if these people would just do as they were asked there would be no more lockdowns, restrictions could be eased and we'd be through this, it was all their fault so they only had themselves to blame for prolonging it. It seems to be a very prevalent belief.

But this is what they want us to believe, otherwise people will think the virus is not spread this way and they'll lose control of the population. They are relying on maybe 90% of the population not questioning the information they are being fed, it's a very impressive pysops exercise.

Why is the virus spreading ? What can I do to stop it? How can I protect myself and my vulnerable loved ones ? I have no option other than to agree with 21st century man's Father in Law - who by the way sounds like a very responsible upstanding citizen, who deserves respect.

It's not binary. Everyone is spreading the virus, whether they're following the guidance or not. It's just to what degree, by what percentage of the total. The vast majority of people are following the guidance yet nonetheless are the source of the vast bulk of infection, by shear force of numbers, hence ever stronger tiers and lockdowns are required. My FiL was of the opinion that the two women in the park were the sole problem, I suggested that his daughter (my wife) was a far bigger problem within the overall picture, she's a teacher. This did not compute. If everyone was following the rules then it follows that they'd be responsible for all of the infection too, this would not be a great message for Government or media, so the small number of non compliants are at least useful idiots to point a finger at in that respect.

Edited by 21st Century Man on Saturday 23 January 11:37

[98elise]

NikBartlett said:

Pit Pony said:

NikBartlett said:

21st Century Man said:

The last time I chatted with my FiL he was of the opinion that the virus was only being spread by people not following the guidance and if these people would just do as they were asked there would be no more lockdowns, restrictions could be eased and we'd be through this, it was all their fault so they only had themselves to blame for prolonging it. It seems to be a very prevalent belief.

But this is what they want us to believe, otherwise people will think the virus is not spread this way and they'll lose control of the population. They are relying on maybe 90% of the population not questioning the information they are being fed, it's a very impressive pysops exercise.

Why is the virus spreading ? What can I do to stop it? How can I protect myself and my vulnerable loved ones ? I have no option other than to agree with 21st century man's Father in Law - who by the way sounds like a very responsible upstanding citizen, who deserves respect.

So it's not being spread in hospitals, schools, supermarkets or workplaces where people are simply going about their legitimate business and with the best intentions following the guidance ?

Have you been in a supermarket recently? Social distancing is non existent, nor is track and trace. People are not following the guidelines

[Brave Fart]

21st Century Man said:

t's not binary. Everyone is spreading the virus, whether they're following the guidance or not. It's just to what degree, by what percentage of the total. The vast majority of people are following the guidance yet nonetheless are the source of the vast bulk of infection, by sheer force of numbers, hence ever stronger tiers and lockdowns are required. My FiL was of the opinion that the two women in the park were the sole problem, I suggested that his daughter (my wife) was a far bigger problem within the overall picture, she's a teacher. This did not compute. If everyone was following the rules then it follows that they'd be responsible for all of the infection too, this would not be a great message for Government or media, so the small number of non compliants are at least useful idiots to point a finger at in that respect.

Edited by 21st Century Man on Saturday 23 January 11:37

This analysis is sensible - yours, I mean, not the FiL's. The government needs to be able to blame these evil law breakers in case lockdown doesn't appear to have worked: "Alas, those not following the rules have undermined the rest of us", claims Boris. Useful idiots, as you say.
Conversely, if the lockdown does work: "The British public has followed our advice with pleasing results, well done everyone."