Mrs got into a fender bender
Discussion
Tommo87 said:
The actual point being discussed from the very start is whether or not the OPs wife was in the wrong lane for the manoeuvre she took.
So not only can't you drive properly, you can't read properly either. The point being discussed is NOT whether the OPs wife was in the wrong lane. The OP in his very first post said she was in the wrong lane and I don't think anyone has said she was in the correct lane. The point being discussed is, does that give the right for someone else to change lanes (yes, they changed from the inside lane to the outside lane) without making sure it is safe to do so and just drive into anything that maybe in their way because "the other car was in the wrong lane"? Any normal person would think that the answer was 'no' but it seems several people on here amazingly believe that that is the correct way to drive.Yellow Lizud said:
The point being discussed is, does that give the right for someone else to change lanes (yes, they changed from the inside lane to the outside lane) without making sure it is safe to do so and just drive into anything that maybe in their way because "the other car was in the wrong lane"? Any normal person would think that the answer was 'no' but it seems several people on here amazingly believe that that is the correct way to drive.
She moved from the left hand lane to the right without checking it was clear to do so, that is in no way the BMWs (who was in the right hand lane) fault.Are you now agreeing with us?
MightyBadger said:
You can't say the Mrs was in the wrong and entirely wrong and then still portion some blame onto the motorist doing nothing wrong 
Convinced you are 100% trolling now
You're making the classic mistake of apportioning one set of blame to two driversConvinced you are 100% trolling now
She's responsible for what she did and he's responsible for his actions.
She caused a crash, he failed to avoid an avoidable collision.
Yellow Lizurd said:
So not only can't you drive properly, you can't read properly either. The point being discussed is NOT whether the OPs wife was in the wrong lane. The OP in his very first post said she was in the wrong lane and I don't think anyone has said she was in the correct lane. The point being discussed is, does that give the right for someone else to change lanes (yes, they changed from the inside lane to the outside lane) without making sure it is safe to do so and just drive into anything that maybe in their way because "the other car was in the wrong lane"? Any normal person would think that the answer was 'no' but it seems several people on here amazingly believe that that is the correct way to drive
Well, that explains why you have looked an utter tool for the entire thread, if you missed all the posts on the first page contradicting your unpunctuated piece of fiction.heebeegeetee said:
You're making the classic mistake of apportioning one set of blame to two drivers
She's responsible for what she did and he's responsible for his actions.
She caused a crash, he failed to avoid an avoidable collision.
I would put it more as: she changed her position (there are no marked lanes as far as I have seen), he could have avoided a collision by anticipation/position. She's responsible for what she did and he's responsible for his actions.
She caused a crash, he failed to avoid an avoidable collision.
50/50: insurance companies won’t want to argue between themselves, get more witnesses, etc.
Pica-Pica said:
I would put it more as: she changed her position (there are no marked lanes as far as I have seen), he could have avoided a collision by anticipation/position.
50/50: insurance companies won’t want to argue between themselves, get more witnesses, etc.
That argument about avoidance cuts both ways irrespective of lane positioning.50/50: insurance companies won’t want to argue between themselves, get more witnesses, etc.
The standard insurance consensus is 50:50 based on comments.
heebeegeetee said:
MightyBadger said:
She moved from the left hand lane to the right without checking it was clear to do so, that is in no way the BMWs (who was in the right hand lane) fault.
Are you now agreeing with us?
'Us' being a minority of about two, and one has to suspect they're trolling. Are you now agreeing with us?
The next biggest group are those people who thought BOTH drivers were to blame, although some of those comments, were based on the OPs comments and hadn’t seen he Google map pages at that point. I also included those who just responded 50:50 to the separate insurance question in this group.
Lastly, the smallest group (though not by much) are the people who though the OPs wife was in the correct lane and the BMW had veered across the OPs wife although again some of those commented before the Google maps showed the exact layout.
Edited by Hol on Wednesday 20th March 15:12
F355BMF said:
Presented without comment (does make it look worse for my mrs!). Arrows circled in black correspond to the exit before where the incident was so no defence from those.
Anyway it's a company car and I don't pay the insurance so no NCB to lose. Will cost me on the renewal of the policy on my other car though.....
MightyBadger said:
Yellow Lizud said:
The point being discussed is, does that give the right for someone else to change lanes (yes, they changed from the inside lane to the outside lane) without making sure it is safe to do so and just drive into anything that maybe in their way because "the other car was in the wrong lane"? Any normal person would think that the answer was 'no' but it seems several people on here amazingly believe that that is the correct way to drive.
She moved from the left hand lane to the right without checking it was clear to do so, that is in no way the BMWs (who was in the right hand lane) fault.Are you now agreeing with us?
I'm still interested to know how you think the BMW got from the inside lane of the roundabout to the outside lane of the roundabout without changing lanes.
Hol said:
That argument about avoidance cuts both ways irrespective of lane positioning.
The standard insurance consensus is 50:50 based on comments.
Which doesn’t take into account the two posters who have been in court over very similar collisions, and in both cases the person driving round the roundabout in the left lane was found to be at fault. Neither case went 50:50.The standard insurance consensus is 50:50 based on comments.
gazza285 said:
Hol said:
That argument about avoidance cuts both ways irrespective of lane positioning.
The standard insurance consensus is 50:50 based on comments.
Which doesn’t take into account the two posters who have been in court over very similar collisions, and in both cases the person driving round the roundabout in the left lane was found to be at fault. Neither case went 50:50.The standard insurance consensus is 50:50 based on comments.
I was however, noting that following a review of the actual comments thus far on insurance, most responders think such an event would normally go 50:50.
Rightly or wrongly, I assume both those cases were also presumed 50:50 before they were heard (and won) in court.
Edited by Hol on Wednesday 20th March 16:03
gazza285 said:
Which doesn’t take into account the two posters who have been in court over very similar collisions, and in both cases the person driving round the roundabout in the left lane was found to be at fault. Neither case went 50:50.
It was hard work getting to that point though. Who pays the costs of appeal? And you still have to declare it 5 years to insurance.
I think with junctions and roundabouts as they are now, insurance companies just go 50/50 anyway and see if anyone wants to fight it. I'd think a dashcam would be a necessary.
Yellow Lizud said:
Your posts just get stupider, you know full well I would NEVER agree with you. You also know full well who changed lanes but just won't admit it.
I'm still interested to know how you think the BMW got from the inside lane of the roundabout to the outside lane of the roundabout without changing lanes.
Holy sI'm still interested to know how you think the BMW got from the inside lane of the roundabout to the outside lane of the roundabout without changing lanes.
t I give up trying to explain to you, you win, the prize is yours, I concede Hol said:
Interestingly I did the math and the larger group of posters (not repeated posts) thought that the OPs wife WAS in the wrong lane. Even the OP said he wouldn’t have used that lane.
Fair enough. I thought we were all in basic agreement about Mrs OP. I'm just surprised to see comments that Mr BMW, who exited a rab from L2 alongside a driver he'd made an assumption over, has done no wrong, cos I think he made a couple of fundamental errors.
Yellow Lizud said:
Your posts just get stupider, you know full well I would NEVER agree with you. You also know full well who changed lanes but just won't admit it.
I'm still interested to know how you think the BMW got from the inside lane of the roundabout to the outside lane of the roundabout without changing lanes.
Perhaps you could indulge our collective curiosity by explaining which of the following two diagrams best explain your understanding of how roundabouts work, I'm still interested to know how you think the BMW got from the inside lane of the roundabout to the outside lane of the roundabout without changing lanes.
- when entering at 6 o’clock and exiting at 3 o‘clock. and why you think that.
Also, why the diagram you rejected is not representative, of how a roundabout works.
You will need to assume that the following lines represent three ‘lanes”.
heebeegeetee said:
Fair enough. I thought we were all in basic agreement about Mrs OP.
I'm just surprised to see comments that Mr BMW, who exited a rab from L2 alongside a driver he'd made an assumption over, has done no wrong, cos I think he made a couple of fundamental errors.
If you look at the ops picture you will see two massive arrows pointing straight on, that means you can be in either lane to continue straight on to the A road, which means he didn't leave his lane or change his course or was in the wrong place. I'm just surprised to see comments that Mr BMW, who exited a rab from L2 alongside a driver he'd made an assumption over, has done no wrong, cos I think he made a couple of fundamental errors.
Ops mrs made the fundamental mistake when she turned the wheel.
Have a nice evening, stay safe on the road.
I haven't gone back through all 16 pages but from the Google ariel view above that doesn't look like a roundabout to me.
If the road was straight and someone tried to exit left from the right hand lane you'd say they were 100% at fault. That's what's happened here, except the road isn't straight which seems to be giving some the impression it's a roundabout
It's not, it's a one way system.
OP's wife wasn't in the wrong lane, she was in the left hand lane of a 2 lane carriageway. Other driver tried to exit left from the right hand lane.
If the road was straight and someone tried to exit left from the right hand lane you'd say they were 100% at fault. That's what's happened here, except the road isn't straight which seems to be giving some the impression it's a roundabout
It's not, it's a one way system.OP's wife wasn't in the wrong lane, she was in the left hand lane of a 2 lane carriageway. Other driver tried to exit left from the right hand lane.
Yellow Lizud said:
So not only can't you drive properly, you can't read properly either. The point being discussed is NOT whether the OPs wife was in the wrong lane. The OP in his very first post said she was in the wrong lane and I don't think anyone has said she was in the correct lane. The point being discussed is, does that give the right for someone else to change lanes (yes, they changed from the inside lane to the outside lane) without making sure it is safe to do so and just drive into anything that maybe in their way because "the other car was in the wrong lane"? Any normal person would think that the answer was 'no' but it seems several people on here amazingly believe that that is the correct way to drive.
Perhaps the OP can't write properly...frenmor said:
The arrows on the road say that you can be in either lane
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