E Scooters soon to be allowed on UK roads?

[anonymous-user]

GC8 said:

Are they legal on the road only? Even with pneumatic tyres, the steering angle is so sharp that theyll be terribly unstable. Im all for them, but not wobbling under my vehicles wheels on the road.

Yes. Legal on the road only and not allowed on pavements. The the same as bicycles.

If you go and watch a few videos on YouTube of people commuting in London on e-scooters it may calm your fears slightly.

They really do zip along at the same speed as a well ridden bicycle, so they aren’t simply wobbling around at walking pace.

Simply treat them as you would treat a cyclist. Give them plenty of room, and only pass them when you can give them at least 1.5 metres of space.

But given that they will mostly be used in congested urban areas, I suspect e-scooters will mostly be passing cars.

[NGee]

unident said:

If they really want safety then they’d ban all forms of motorised transport.


Of course, the above is probably far too logical and sensible and you’d prefer some farfetched conspiracy theory about it being to do with the shifting poles and a flat earth.

Hooray! Finally! The pennies dropped. This was the sarcastic question I asked yesterday when you choose to bombard the place with a load of ridiculous postings disagreeing with everything just for the sake of it. You've now gone full circle and agreed with exactly what I said in the first place!!!!!

I know you don't like me only quoting parts of your posts so I left the last sentence in as well, just so other people can see what a dingbat you really are.

I actually feel quite honoured that you have replied to nearly all my posts on this, and other, threads. So quickly too. I always wanted my own stalker, it made me feel important, although the novelty is beginning to wear off a bit now. I guess it just proves, you should be careful what you wish for!
I realize you'll reply to this as you always have to get the last word in. OK you win, I won't be replying.
They say you should never argue with an idiot as they will grind you down and then beat you with experience.
So for that reason, I'm out!

[unident]

NGee said:

unident said:

If they really want safety then they’d ban all forms of motorised transport.


Of course, the above is probably far too logical and sensible and you’d prefer some farfetched conspiracy theory about it being to do with the shifting poles and a flat earth.

Hooray! I agreed with exactly what you post

How’s that for quoting something completely out of context and claiming it as a win.

And no need for me to get all upset either.

[markymarkthree]

Sorry if this has already been mentioned.
As you will need a licence provisional or full to ride/scoot one of these. If the plod pull you over and you are over the top on the breath test I guess you will lose you licence for a 12 month min.

[Lazermilk]

markymarkthree said:

Sorry if this has already been mentioned.
As you will need a licence provisional or full to ride/scoot one of these. If the plod pull you over and you are over the top on the breath test I guess you will lose you licence for a 12 month min.

Cant that already happen if you are caught riding a bicycle under the influence?

[okgo]

markymarkthree said:

Sorry if this has already been mentioned.
As you will need a licence provisional or full to ride/scoot one of these. If the plod pull you over and you are over the top on the breath test I guess you will lose you licence for a 12 month min.

You will not need any license - they're legal for anyone to hire in 3 days time, the minute the hire tender is sorted, whoever it is will drop 100,000 of the things into the UK over the next few months and they'll be on every corner in London.

Police can't even stop people driving on their phones, or cycling without lights, or people already riding e-scooters on the road (fking thousands of people in London) who cares about the law. Nobody.

[Laurel Green]

Lazermilk said:

markymarkthree said:

Sorry if this has already been mentioned.
As you will need a licence provisional or full to ride/scoot one of these. If the plod pull you over and you are over the top on the breath test I guess you will lose you licence for a 12 month min.

Cant that already happen if you are caught riding a bicycle under the influence?

Police can't make you take a breathalyser test, though could still be done for dangerous/whatever cycling. But they cannot endorse one's license or ban you from driving a motor vehicle.

[markymarkthree]

okgo said:

markymarkthree said:

Sorry if this has already been mentioned.
As you will need a licence provisional or full to ride/scoot one of these. If the plod pull you over and you are over the top on the breath test I guess you will lose you licence for a 12 month min.

You will not need any license - they're legal for anyone to hire in 3 days time, the minute the hire tender is sorted, whoever it is will drop 100,000 of the things into the UK over the next few months and they'll be on every corner in London.

Police can't even stop people driving on their phones, or cycling without lights, or people already riding e-scooters on the road (fking thousands of people in London) who cares about the law. Nobody.

My understanding is that you need a licence prov or full and have to be over sixteen.

[geeks]

Lord Marylebone said:

GC8 said:

Are they legal on the road only? Even with pneumatic tyres, the steering angle is so sharp that theyll be terribly unstable. Im all for them, but not wobbling under my vehicles wheels on the road.

Yes. Legal on the road only and not allowed on pavements. The the same as bicycles.

If you go and watch a few videos on YouTube of people commuting in London on e-scooters it may calm your fears slightly.

They really do zip along at the same speed as a well ridden bicycle, so they aren’t simply wobbling around at walking pace.

Simply treat them as you would treat a cyclist. Give them plenty of room, and only pass them when you can give them at least 1.5 metres of space.

But given that they will mostly be used in congested urban areas, I suspect e-scooters will mostly be passing cars.

Wonder how they will handle this in Milton Keynes, we have a redway system that is designed for pedestrians and cyclists, presumably the scooters will be legal where bicycles are..

[unident]

geeks said:

Wonder how they will handle this in Milton Keynes, we have a redway system that is designed for pedestrians and cyclists, presumably the scooters will be legal where bicycles are..

A lawyer has posted both the legislation and a simpler worded document above. It is clear in there that these will be fine to use on cycle lanes.

[LunarOne]

agtlaw said:

GC8 said:

Are they legal on the road only? Even with pneumatic tyres, the steering angle is so sharp that theyll be terribly unstable. Im all for them, but not wobbling under my vehicles wheels on the road.

Legislation


Explanatory memorandum

It seems a shame that they have defined an electric scooter as "(c)has two wheels, one front and one rear, aligned along the direction of travel". That would preclude those scooters which have two wheels at the front, the steering mechanism of which seem much more directionally stable than a single front wheel which rotates in unison with the handlebars.

Not only that, but those two-wheel designs would presumably be less badly affected by drainage grates and potholes. Below image to illustrate the wheel arrangement, rather than to suggest that a micro scooter is suitable for use on the road.

[Buzz84]

okgo said:

markymarkthree said:

Sorry if this has already been mentioned.
As you will need a licence provisional or full to ride/scoot one of these. If the plod pull you over and you are over the top on the breath test I guess you will lose you licence for a 12 month min.

You will not need any license - they're legal for anyone to hire in 3 days time, the minute the hire tender is sorted, whoever it is will drop 100,000 of the things into the UK over the next few months and they'll be on every corner in London.

Police can't even stop people driving on their phones, or cycling without lights, or people already riding e-scooters on the road (fking thousands of people in London) who cares about the law. Nobody.

Licence and age requirements are needed for hire of electric scooters

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/rental-e-scoote...

Users will need a full or provisional car, motorcycle or moped licence to take part in the trials, and must be 16 or over.

[geeks]

unident said:

geeks said:

Wonder how they will handle this in Milton Keynes, we have a redway system that is designed for pedestrians and cyclists, presumably the scooters will be legal where bicycles are..

A lawyer has posted both the legislation and a simpler worded document above. It is clear in there that these will be fine to use on cycle lanes.

I missed that bit, apologies for not getting it all read and remembered word for word

[okgo]

Buzz84 said:

Licence and age requirements are needed for hire of electric scooters

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/rental-e-scoote...

Users will need a full or provisional car, motorcycle or moped licence to take part in the trials, and must be 16 or over.

lol, how will that be enforced, more idiotic laws.

[vaud]

okgo said:

lol, how will that be enforced, more idiotic laws.

Required to show it when you set up the rental or account?

[okgo]

vaud said:

Required to show it when you set up the rental or account?

Maybe, seems like hassle, can see the hire company having a button you have to press to confirm age and having one and little more, bit like visiting a booze website...

[LunarOne]

okgo said:

Buzz84 said:

Licence and age requirements are needed for hire of electric scooters

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/rental-e-scoote...

Users will need a full or provisional car, motorcycle or moped licence to take part in the trials, and must be 16 or over.

lol, how will that be enforced, more idiotic laws.

Require a valid driver's licence to open an account with the rental firm. Another reason why restricting usage to rental schemes makes enforcement easier. A driver who relies on their licence is hardly going to allow their 12-year-old to ride on their account, as any traffic infringements will come back to haunt the licence-holder.

It means is that it's going to be imperative to keep your licence out of the hands of your nefarious children.

[cts1975]

Apologies if this has been mentioned early in the thread.
Liverpool City Council have already opened the bidding process for tenders on the operation of escooters.
They are seeking an established organisation to provide escooters initially on a 12 months trial at no cost to the council.
Their main concerns (judging by the tender pack) is can the escooters be restricted on how far they travel outside of the city centre!

[vaud]

okgo said:

Maybe, seems like hassle, can see the hire company having a button you have to press to confirm age and having one and little more, bit like visiting a booze website...

They will presumably just use the DVLA API that allows you to validate a drivers licence, like you do when insuring a car. Easy to implement and low cost.

[eldar]

Will these have number plates? Or similar means of identifying them?