Emergency legislation - information and commentary
Discussion
davidball said:
Sweden has the right idea. The government relies on the common sense of its citizens to act responsibly and not use the virus as an excuse to further a right wing agenda to give more powers to the police and reduce peoples human rights.
Maybe Sweden has more people that actually have some common sense than we have?REALIST123 said:
davidball said:
Sweden has the right idea. The government relies on the common sense of its citizens to act responsibly and not use the virus as an excuse to further a right wing agenda to give more powers to the police and reduce peoples human rights.
Maybe Sweden has more people that actually have some common sense than we have?
Alas, so it is, but so is PH in general, at least when it comes to law and politics.
I had the day off news and social media, which was a refreshing experience. I have to work a bit for the next few days, but perhaps the loons will quieten down after the weekend (fat chance!) and we can talk sensibly about the emergency rules again. But now, computer OFF again. Ciao ciao.
I had the day off news and social media, which was a refreshing experience. I have to work a bit for the next few days, but perhaps the loons will quieten down after the weekend (fat chance!) and we can talk sensibly about the emergency rules again. But now, computer OFF again. Ciao ciao.
davidball said:
Sweden has the right idea. The government relies on the common sense of its citizens to act responsibly and not use the virus as an excuse to further a right wing agenda to give more powers to the police and reduce peoples human rights.
You sound like a teenager who has just discovered politics. No, La Liga, that's Jeremy Corbyn's job! (balance: Michael Gove too)
OK, this thread is inevitably political, because of its subject matter and context (and in any event politics touches almost everything ) , BUT .... a suggestion: Can we try to focus mainly on what the new emergency rules are, how they are working or not working, and what concerns they throw up re civil liberties, practical police work, daily life, and so forth. Then we can go over later to N,P&E for the "YOUR MOMMA" politicking.
OK, this thread is inevitably political, because of its subject matter and context (and in any event politics touches almost everything ) , BUT .... a suggestion: Can we try to focus mainly on what the new emergency rules are, how they are working or not working, and what concerns they throw up re civil liberties, practical police work, daily life, and so forth. Then we can go over later to N,P&E for the "YOUR MOMMA" politicking.
Other far more learned commentators are way ahead of me -
https://davidallengreen.com/2020/03/the-extraordin...
I tidied my study yesterday (for two years it had been a store room, piled high with boxes, which are now in the shed with my sheds), and found my trusty copies of Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England - a security blanket! The law is navigating through some uncharted reefs on what looks to be a lee shore.
https://davidallengreen.com/2020/03/the-extraordin...
I tidied my study yesterday (for two years it had been a store room, piled high with boxes, which are now in the shed with my sheds), and found my trusty copies of Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England - a security blanket! The law is navigating through some uncharted reefs on what looks to be a lee shore.
A view from Cherie Booth QC, who now runs an org that deals with women's rights. (BTW, despite what hostile media say, Cherie is a good lawyer, and not a terrible person) -
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/cherieblair_uk-coro...
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/cherieblair_uk-coro...
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 30th March 12:39
Breadvan72 said:
Other far more learned commentators are way ahead of me -
https://davidallengreen.com/2020/03/the-extraordin...
I tidied my study yesterday (for two years it had been a store room, piled high with boxes, which are now in the shed with my sheds), and found my trusty copies of Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England - a security blanket! The law is navigating through some uncharted reefs on what looks to be a lee shore.
The surveillance stuff is a little melodramatic, but I guess it helps round off the Nineteen Eighty-Four vibe. https://davidallengreen.com/2020/03/the-extraordin...
I tidied my study yesterday (for two years it had been a store room, piled high with boxes, which are now in the shed with my sheds), and found my trusty copies of Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England - a security blanket! The law is navigating through some uncharted reefs on what looks to be a lee shore.
Court hearing stuff from the very brainy Tom de la Mare QC (random factoid: he's the great-nephew of Walter de la Mare).
https://www.blackstonechambers.com/news/coronaviru...
https://www.blackstonechambers.com/news/coronaviru...
citizensm1th said:
Breadvan72 said:
Urban myth, innit. Sir William Blackstone says: FRO with that.
Fair cop guv, this is why I don't get to charge big spondoolies for standing up and talking Latin. I get paid small spondoolies for honest work. That's "You what, My Lord" to you, Sunshine".
davidball said:
La Liga said:
ou sound like a teenager who has just discovered politics.
Hardly. I had learned that lesson before the Grosvenor Square protest. I was there as part of a group to protect people photographing the police, who seemed to feel threatened by that in those days. It was there I saw the efficacy of using marbles to combat mounted police. I don’t know if that still works.Are you competent in any subject?
Topical: Lord Atkin, best known for the hypothetical snail in a ginger beer bottle (Donohue v Stevenson) famously riffed on Cicero's line "inter arma silent leges", when Atkin gave his powerful and beautifully written dissenting speech in Liversidge v Anderton, the main WW2 case about emergency powers. The majority of the Law Lords upheld draconian rules, and Atkin's lonely but principled dissent saw him ostracised in the luncheon room thereafter. His opinion is now generally regarded as correct, and the views of the majority in the case as incorrect.
Atkin did not quote Cicero, as his then audience would not have needed him to. He simply said that, in this country, amid the clash of arms, the law is not silent. Atkin did quote Humpty Dumpty on the meaning of words (from Alice Through The Looking Glass), and referred scornfully to the early Stuart Kings' use of the Court of Star Chamber.
Cicero himself broke the laws of the Roman Republic when, as Consul, he suppressed the Catiline Conspiracy, and so Cicero, in most respects the lawyer's lawyer, was not wholly to be trusted on this issue.
Topicality: in a time of crisis, the Rule of Law is more important than ever. By all means take necessary measures, but don't move to rule by whim or diktat.
Atkin did not quote Cicero, as his then audience would not have needed him to. He simply said that, in this country, amid the clash of arms, the law is not silent. Atkin did quote Humpty Dumpty on the meaning of words (from Alice Through The Looking Glass), and referred scornfully to the early Stuart Kings' use of the Court of Star Chamber.
Cicero himself broke the laws of the Roman Republic when, as Consul, he suppressed the Catiline Conspiracy, and so Cicero, in most respects the lawyer's lawyer, was not wholly to be trusted on this issue.
Topicality: in a time of crisis, the Rule of Law is more important than ever. By all means take necessary measures, but don't move to rule by whim or diktat.
La Liga, Dibble, HantsRat, Derek, and other serving and retired cozzers here will, I hope, realise, that we are not all police bashers, and that we realise how hard it is for the police to deal (1) with new rules with little time to train or brief; and (2) with mega idiots.
Balance:-
https://twitter.com/RealSamVimes/status/1244726984...
Balance:-
https://twitter.com/RealSamVimes/status/1244726984...
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