Undertaking on a motorbike
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Mr Whippy said:Dave you seem to have confused the highway code with the road traffic act, undertaking isn't illegal.
Quote "I do undertake, but it is up to me to perform this safely"
And why on earth does the Highway code forbid this behaviour? Because it isn't safe... especially along an "invisible" lane you create on a motorbike!
Mr Whippy said:
Quote "I do undertake, but it is up to me to perform this safely"
And why on earth does the Highway code forbid this behaviour? Because it isn't safe... especially along an "invisible" lane you create on a motorbike!
It's like me saying I'll powerslide around a roundabout while other traffic is using it, and it's upto me to do it safely.
It's not safe either way you look at it, and it's not your safety I worry about, it's the innocent people who "can" get caught up in it!
I think when you've seriosuly injured yourself or someone else through stupid careless driving, or someone does it to you, you'll realise how irresponsible you are for driving like that and hopefully drive with other people in consideration... seems your "I do undertake, but it is up to me to perform this safely" only bothered about your safety and not others!!!
Seya
Dave
If it's so dangerous and will result in almost certain death, how come it's legal in the US with their blame culture?
BliarOut said:
Quote "I do undertake, but it is up to me to perform this safely"
And why on earth does the Highway code forbid this behaviour? Because it isn't safe... especially along an "invisible" lane you create on a motorbike!.... SNIP......
I think when you've seriosuly injured yourself or someone else through stupid careless driving, or someone does it to you, you'll realise how irresponsible you are for driving like that and hopefully drive with other people in consideration... seems your "I do undertake, but it is up to me to perform this safely" only bothered about your safety and not others!!!
Seya
Dave
If it's so dangerous and will result in almost certain death, how come it's legal in the US with their blame culture?
Google a map of the US that shows the outline of our states.....
Found it?
OK, look for Oregon (upper left, second from top).
Found it? Great! Gentlemen and ladies, *THAT* state is size of your COUNTRY.
Fill that area with 60 million people, and you had better be better drivers than we are.
The "blame culture" has come about from our freedoms to do and be total idiots, without the personal responsibility to stand up and be accountable for our own actions.
Hope that helps,
Dave (another one)
"Undertaking" IS illegal i.e moving towards another vehicle,deliberately moving to a nearside lane, accelerating past, then moving out, or similar is seen as driving without due care and attention ( FOR OTHER ROAD USERS), moving to nearside lane, passing other traffic and, eventually, moving to an outside lane is legitimate
Thanks for the corrections to the road traffic act and highway code.
General theme of what I'm saying though is that you knowingly do something you know is dangerous, and you do it knowing that you are putting yourself at risk of injury or death.
Worst bit is though, don't put others lives at risk. You might think your only risking yours, but you could be risking someone elses too pulling a manouvre like that!
Drive with some respect for other road users safety, and you might get some back.
If not, I hope to see you deeply implanted in the side of the next tree!
Dave
General theme of what I'm saying though is that you knowingly do something you know is dangerous, and you do it knowing that you are putting yourself at risk of injury or death.
Worst bit is though, don't put others lives at risk. You might think your only risking yours, but you could be risking someone elses too pulling a manouvre like that!
Drive with some respect for other road users safety, and you might get some back.
If not, I hope to see you deeply implanted in the side of the next tree!
Dave
Mr Whippy said:
Thanks for the corrections to the road traffic act and highway code.
General theme of what I'm saying though is that you knowingly do something you know is dangerous, and you do it knowing that you are putting yourself at risk of injury or death.
Worst bit is though, don't put others lives at risk. You might think your only risking yours, but you could be risking someone elses too pulling a manouvre like that!
Drive with some respect for other road users safety, and you might get some back.
If not, I hope to see you deeply implanted in the side of the next tree!
Dave
'kin muppet... Thanks so much for the contributionJust because you are not aware of the performance capabilities of a modern motorcycle doesn't mean it is not possible to carry out the manouvre in perfect safety... Remember, it's not illegal in the US!
If you get all precious about being overtaken on the left, maybe it's time to use the rear view mirror.
If you get all precious about being overtaken on the left, maybe it's time to use the rear view mirror.
Yes, they don't have roundabouts in the US since they can't be trusted, the state in question is very low population density, so you can stop using that arguement.
Simply put, you can't predict other drivers behaviour, and by driving like that you are being highly unpredictable.
Since it's legal to hang off the side of cars and busses in India, lets do that here, and jump red lights for fear of car jacking like South Africa.
Hmmmm, clever!
I'm just thinking about the innocent road users first, and what you are doing is putting them in danger without ANY thought as to the safety or risk. As you say it is perfectly safe, well thats why it's still illegal is it?
Hmmm
Dave
>> Edited by Mr Whippy on Friday 16th July 14:28
Simply put, you can't predict other drivers behaviour, and by driving like that you are being highly unpredictable.
Since it's legal to hang off the side of cars and busses in India, lets do that here, and jump red lights for fear of car jacking like South Africa.
Hmmmm, clever!
I'm just thinking about the innocent road users first, and what you are doing is putting them in danger without ANY thought as to the safety or risk. As you say it is perfectly safe, well thats why it's still illegal is it?
Hmmm
Dave
>> Edited by Mr Whippy on Friday 16th July 14:28
stupid! Numptyism of the highest order!Mr Whippy said:
I just don't like people blatantly putting other peoples lives at risk, wether you think you are or not it's not fair.
Maybe one day when you kill an innocent road user while your getting cheap thrills you'll realise how stupid it is.
Dave
Don't even waste your time Dave, we had this on the bike forum a few month's ago....
When I suggested it "might" be a tad irresponsible and PUT OTHER ROAD USERS IN DANGER to do wheelies at 100mph+ on A roads with cars coming the other way I was shot down in flames......
Alan....(Triumph Hinkley triple owner and biker (accident free) for over 35 years........
Lol juk 
Well I've had, and a few members of my family for that matter have had the misfortune of meeting heroic motorcyclists on the road now, and when I hear them saying they are in full control of these 400bhp/tonne+ bikes I simply laugh to myself.
All too often it is the odd one who ruins the perception, but more and more these days the fast bikers take liberties with other peoples lives, and thats when it gets too much.
Fair enough, I did wish something bad, but if he drives like that day in day out and with that invincible attitude he will no doubt end up having a life changing experience. Lets just hope it's not at the cost of someone else's life!
If he simply showed some respect for those it effects it'd be nice, but it's all about how safe "he" is and how "he" can easily do this dangerous manouvre, not about the other peoples safety he puts in jeopardy without any thought.
I retract the earlier in a tree comment, sorry, but I sincerley hope you think about others more.
It took me a while, seeing first hand and being in an incident, but now I drive slowly around others, not just to keep other people safe, but incase they do something stupid towards me, I have time to react, and going slower means if something does go wrong I'll hopefully be better off!
The roads a dangerous place if you abuse it. Only time to take risks is when it's only YOU who is taking the risk!
Cheers
Dave
>> Edited by Mr Whippy on Friday 16th July 14:55
Well I've had, and a few members of my family for that matter have had the misfortune of meeting heroic motorcyclists on the road now, and when I hear them saying they are in full control of these 400bhp/tonne+ bikes I simply laugh to myself.
All too often it is the odd one who ruins the perception, but more and more these days the fast bikers take liberties with other peoples lives, and thats when it gets too much.
Fair enough, I did wish something bad, but if he drives like that day in day out and with that invincible attitude he will no doubt end up having a life changing experience. Lets just hope it's not at the cost of someone else's life!
If he simply showed some respect for those it effects it'd be nice, but it's all about how safe "he" is and how "he" can easily do this dangerous manouvre, not about the other peoples safety he puts in jeopardy without any thought.
I retract the earlier in a tree comment, sorry, but I sincerley hope you think about others more.
It took me a while, seeing first hand and being in an incident, but now I drive slowly around others, not just to keep other people safe, but incase they do something stupid towards me, I have time to react, and going slower means if something does go wrong I'll hopefully be better off!
The roads a dangerous place if you abuse it. Only time to take risks is when it's only YOU who is taking the risk!
Cheers
Dave
>> Edited by Mr Whippy on Friday 16th July 14:55
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