Laser Jammer worked a treat but what now? HELP!
Discussion
mybrainhurts said:
something about digging holes for himself
Hi Steve....just to let you know I'm new to this topic, but it's persuaded me to put Cumbria on my list of places not to visit to spend my cash.....
Back soon, when your quango's been consigned to the history books.
Just to cheer you up...........
You beat me to it. Wales, Lancashire (as far as possible) and now Cumbria.
Is it something to with being on the wet side of the country do you think?
Have had the opportunity to play with a Laser Gun myself, and, when trying to get a reading from a car that was driving towards me, with the sun behind it (ie, in front of me)...Laser couldn't obtain a reading from the car...SAME ERROR CODE AS THEY'D GET FROM A GARAGE DOOR OPENER....how curious!
No possibility of other circumstances preventing them from getting a reading???...don't think so....go catch some real crim's and stop wasting public money, air-thieves.
No possibility of other circumstances preventing them from getting a reading???...don't think so....go catch some real crim's and stop wasting public money, air-thieves.
So let's picture a scenario.
You are driving up the M6 through Cumbria in your company registered vehicle and, although not speeding, and a laser camera van which is parked on one of the bridges gets an error code when he targets your vehicle.
The operator is a police officer and takes the number. A PNC check shows the vehicle is registered to a company in London.
Now what happens? Presumably the Cumbria Silly Camera Pratnership contact the Met and ask them to visit your company, who name you as the usual keeper and give your home address in, say, Norfolk. Now the CSCP contact the Norfolk police and ask them to get a warrant to seize your car and, presumably, transport it to Cumbria on a low-loader. Cumbria police strip it down and find nothing, because the company told you the 'Old Bill' were asking about the vehicle.
Now what happens? The Cumbria Plod have spent a fortune and found nothing. They then have to return your car on a low-loader. The Met and the Norfolk police have spent time and money for nothing (who pays their costs?), and the CSCP/Cumbria plod have a huge bill for damages and costs, including the costs of the dealer checking that the Cumbria plod have put the car back together properly, having potentially interfered with the electronics system (a safety issue here).
Is this really going to happen? Ask yourselves.
The only way to catch anyone with a jammer is to have pursuit cars accompanying the scamvans to chase down anyone who appears to cause an error code, and what extra level of police manpower would this require, especially when the discussion is about replacing police officers with civvies in the vans, and there can be no offence of obstructing them (an offence for slapping them, maybe!).
However, if this scenario did happen it would be nice to know that the UK police now have their priorities right in their fight against crime. The media would have a field day.
You are driving up the M6 through Cumbria in your company registered vehicle and, although not speeding, and a laser camera van which is parked on one of the bridges gets an error code when he targets your vehicle.
The operator is a police officer and takes the number. A PNC check shows the vehicle is registered to a company in London.
Now what happens? Presumably the Cumbria Silly Camera Pratnership contact the Met and ask them to visit your company, who name you as the usual keeper and give your home address in, say, Norfolk. Now the CSCP contact the Norfolk police and ask them to get a warrant to seize your car and, presumably, transport it to Cumbria on a low-loader. Cumbria police strip it down and find nothing, because the company told you the 'Old Bill' were asking about the vehicle.
Now what happens? The Cumbria Plod have spent a fortune and found nothing. They then have to return your car on a low-loader. The Met and the Norfolk police have spent time and money for nothing (who pays their costs?), and the CSCP/Cumbria plod have a huge bill for damages and costs, including the costs of the dealer checking that the Cumbria plod have put the car back together properly, having potentially interfered with the electronics system (a safety issue here).
Is this really going to happen? Ask yourselves.
The only way to catch anyone with a jammer is to have pursuit cars accompanying the scamvans to chase down anyone who appears to cause an error code, and what extra level of police manpower would this require, especially when the discussion is about replacing police officers with civvies in the vans, and there can be no offence of obstructing them (an offence for slapping them, maybe!).
However, if this scenario did happen it would be nice to know that the UK police now have their priorities right in their fight against crime. The media would have a field day.
The other thing that I find interesting in this. Maybe discussed before here / elsewhere, is so apologies.
Devils advocate (sort of)
Giving the Speedfinder General the benefit of the doubt, let us assume that this person was the first in a line of traffic. If not then as others have observed, they already knew he wasn't speeding as the camel train was all travelling at the same speed.
Never mind, so they are unable, apparently, to judge if someone is speeding visually and have to zap the lead car to determine if so.
This is the vehicle which is holding up the remainder of the queue. Seeing as the rest have caught said vehicle up, is it fair to assume that without being pegged by the lead vehicle they would be going quicker.
Now this seems unfair, as it is the driver of the vehicle who is the most well behaved, ie obeying the limit by using own restraint, who is deliberately targeted and the rest of the queue who are not targeted even though otherwise they might have been at illegal speeds.
Not quite sure where this logic is leading, except maybe one shouldn't be at the front of queues of traffic.
Cooperman, as you know had a little experimental foray onto CSCPratnership site, though not as me. Despite using the "a spoonful of honey catches more wasps than a barrel of vinegar approach" being on that forum is like banging yourself over the head with a tin tray. Nice when it stops.
FiF
Devils advocate (sort of)
Giving the Speedfinder General the benefit of the doubt, let us assume that this person was the first in a line of traffic. If not then as others have observed, they already knew he wasn't speeding as the camel train was all travelling at the same speed.
Never mind, so they are unable, apparently, to judge if someone is speeding visually and have to zap the lead car to determine if so.
This is the vehicle which is holding up the remainder of the queue. Seeing as the rest have caught said vehicle up, is it fair to assume that without being pegged by the lead vehicle they would be going quicker.
Now this seems unfair, as it is the driver of the vehicle who is the most well behaved, ie obeying the limit by using own restraint, who is deliberately targeted and the rest of the queue who are not targeted even though otherwise they might have been at illegal speeds.
Not quite sure where this logic is leading, except maybe one shouldn't be at the front of queues of traffic.
Cooperman, as you know had a little experimental foray onto CSCPratnership site, though not as me. Despite using the "a spoonful of honey catches more wasps than a barrel of vinegar approach" being on that forum is like banging yourself over the head with a tin tray. Nice when it stops.
FiF
SteveCallaghan said:
The person we prosecuted for Obstruction for use of a Jammer on 2 occasions wasn't speeding on both occasions.
We impounded his car for about 5 weeks, crushed the jammer and convicted him for Obstruction.
Just to cheer you up.
Well, it must be great to weild so much power
So a faceless little bureaucrat comes on here to boast about his power.
These people pleaded guilty. Jammers are not currently ilegal an, unless the laser gun was being operated by the Police rather than your quango, there can be no question of the offence of obstructing a poilce officer having been committed.
These people pleaded guilty. Jammers are not currently ilegal an, unless the laser gun was being operated by the Police rather than your quango, there can be no question of the offence of obstructing a poilce officer having been committed.
I would love them to target me as a 'jammer user'. If they took my car away using some sort of warrant - I don't park it on the public highway and they ain't coming onto my property without a warrant - they would probably find no jammer and thus no evidence and my company would then sue the a**e off them for 'loss of quiet enjoyment of the vehicle', costs of hiring a replacement car of similar status (BMW 7-Series), dealer costs for checking the car over to make sure it had been properly re-assembled after being stripped down by non-BMW approved mechanics, plus anything else my company lawyers could think of, plus our costs. It would come to thousands of pounds. We would certainly go all the way with this.
Would they want to go that route and risk the nice little income-stream? You decide.
Remember, if you lost (highly unlikely with no evidence), apart from a bit of legal costs charged to the company, say a max of £2,000 (and fully tax-allowable, so Mr. Brown contributes)), you would only get a fine and no points.
The key with a jammer is to make it easy to remove with just one multi-way comnnector and the unit held in with tie-wraps.
KEEP ON JAMMING!.
Would they want to go that route and risk the nice little income-stream? You decide.
Remember, if you lost (highly unlikely with no evidence), apart from a bit of legal costs charged to the company, say a max of £2,000 (and fully tax-allowable, so Mr. Brown contributes)), you would only get a fine and no points.
The key with a jammer is to make it easy to remove with just one multi-way comnnector and the unit held in with tie-wraps.
KEEP ON JAMMING!.
philthy said:
Somebody needs to challenge this in court. Any half decent lawyer would pick holes in the prosecutions case in no time.
Oh and while they are there, take a pair of obstetric clamps to remove steves head from his rectal cavity.
Phil
Thats the point it has never been contested in court !
philthy said:
Somebody needs to challenge this in court. Any half decent lawyer would pick holes in the prosecutions case in no time.
Oh and while they are there, take a pair of obstetric clamps to remove steves head from his rectal cavity.
Phil
Thats the point it has never been contested in court !
SteveCallaghan said:
We impounded his car for about 5 weeks, crushed the jammer and convicted him for Obstruction.
Just to cheer you up.
Taking your view of things for a minute, I could understand you depriving the owner of his jammer if it's illegal to possess one (are you saying it is?), but I don't understand why you would impound the car. What was the purpose of this?
philthy said:
Somebody needs to challenge this in court. Any half decent lawyer would pick holes in the prosecutions case in no time.
Oh and while they are there, take a pair of obstetric clamps to remove steves head from his rectal cavity.
Phil
Thats the point it has never been contested in court !
z1000 said:
This is the vehicle which is holding up the remainder of the queue.... is it fair to assume that without being pegged by the lead vehicle they would be going quicker.
FiF
Should have been "Perverting the Course of Justice" then....
How about unnecessary obstruction then.
Second thoughts better not give em any ideas.....
Peter Ward said:
We impounded his car for about 5 weeks, crushed the jammer and convicted him for Obstruction.
Just to cheer you up.
Taking your view of things for a minute, I could understand you depriving the owner of his jammer if it's illegal to possess one (are you saying it is?), but I don't understand why you would impound the car. What was the purpose of this?
Just being typically spiteful and nasty.
madant69 said:
I can't believe some of you guys are still biting 
We had one of Tims threads (the one threatening to get peoples dads onto us) pinned to the notice board in the parade room for like 6 months.
Ignore the troll and he will go back under his bridge
The reason is people's unfactual statements then become folklore down the pub. From my point of view as a company that sells GPS devices and laser jammers, it makes my life difficult explaining to customers that they are not illegal etc after the pub solicitor has told them differently
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