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Streetcop said:
Again it falls down to the question...Do you want your police response to be 5 mins late, as the driver wouldn't overtake on a solid white line?
So long as it was safely done and nobody put in danger..etc
Street
But he could be 5 minutes late for an incident or 25 year too early into the next world, couldn't he?
Personally, I see it as quite hypocritical for police officers to ticket non-police road users for crossing a solid white line when they themselves have no excemption from such an action.
If a police driver can do it in total safety and a non-police driver can do it in total safety, what is the difference? You may claim that the police have an exemption. I think we have shown that no such exemption exists.
Streetcop said:
I will question the people in the know tomorrow at work, if I remember and let you know..
As for hypocracy...such is life...police speed and get away with it...c'est la vie....don't let it eat away at you. 140mph+ on a motorway, without the fear of being caught...
Street
I know you are trying to shrug it off and I can understand why, but let us be 100% clear on this. Speeding I have no problem with at all. As you've said, BiB's have an exemption. That is fine. I have read the exemption with my own eyes.
What does slightly concern me is this perception that police are exempt period from all traffic regulations. That is not the case.
It's not eating away at me by any stretch of the imagination. Believe it or not, I actually want the police to do a good job for us but rules are there to be followed. Simply because a BiB says X does not mean that X is true. I think this thread demonstrates that perfectly.
Speed along merrily at 140mph. I hope you can justify that speed it when you need to.
"And that, your honour, is the case for the defence".
Streetcop said:
Again it falls down to the question...Do you want your police response to be 5 mins late, as the driver wouldn't overtake on a solid white line?
So long as it was safely done and nobody put in danger..etc
Street
Quite right, and that's how it should be for all of us. Doing it safely is all that matters.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Streetcop said:
Trouble is...not enough members of the public can do it safely and it's been years since they had any form of driving instruction, assessment or test..
Good morning Gary, I trust you are well, and everyone else likewise.
In reply to your post:
Quite so. 47 years in my case.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Streetcop said:
Trouble is...not enough members of the public can do it safely and it's been years since they had any form of driving instruction, assessment or test..
So what happens when you stop someone for a non-safety infringment and they tell you they are IAM, RoSPA, HPC, response trained (e.g. ambulance or fire briage personnnel)?
ca092003 said:
Trouble is...not enough members of the public can do it safely and it's been years since they had any form of driving instruction, assessment or test..
So what happens when you stop someone for a non-safety infringment and they tell you they are IAM, RoSPA, HPC, response trained (e.g. ambulance or fire briage personnnel)?
IAM, ROSPA advanced....means nothing in these circumstances...
In other circumstances, if they are using a vehicle with emergency lights and sirens..
..if not.... Street
Streetcop said:
Streetcop said:
Trouble is...not enough members of the public can do it safely and it's been years since they had any form of driving instruction, assessment or test..
So what happens when you stop someone for a non-safety infringment and they tell you they are IAM, RoSPA, HPC, response trained (e.g. ambulance or fire briage personnnel)?
IAM, ROSPA advanced....means nothing in these circumstances... Street
What a shortsighted way of thinking.
BTW, did you manage to ask your colleagues about the solid white line exemption?
ca092003 said:
ca092003 said:
Streetcop said:
Trouble is...not enough members of the public can do it safely and it's been years since they had any form of driving instruction, assessment or test..
So what happens when you stop someone for a non-safety infringment and they tell you they are IAM, RoSPA, HPC, response trained (e.g. ambulance or fire briage personnnel)?
IAM, ROSPA advanced....means nothing in these circumstances... Street
What a shortsighted way of thinking.
BTW, did you manage to ask your colleagues about the solid white line exemption?
It was our legal guy I was going to get the info from and I forgot...busy day...a few bumps to deal with...sorry..will remember today..
What was sortsighted of me?
Streetcop said:
What was sortsighted of me?
The fact that for a non-safety related infringement you would not take into account the fact that a driver had undertaken additional training and perhaps give 'advice' rather than a ticket.
Little wonder that advanced driving has such the dire audience it has. We need to find ways of encouraging those drivers who have the most accidents to get additional tuition.
Streetcop
Congratulations BTW on becoming a full time TrafPol.
Ive done a bit of further research and refer you to Hughes Guide to Traffic Law, Section 33-1, Traffic Signs - Exemptions for emergency vehicles.
Note 1 is of particular interest. Essentially it suggests (to me, anyway) that the only exemptions that are available to a vehicle being used for police purposes are:
Keep Left/Right
Red Traffic Light
Motorway and Dual Carriageway Signals (Gantry)
The rest of them have to be obeyed.
What do you reckon StreetCop?
Edited to add that this section covers Traffic Signs only so exceeding the speed limit isn't shown above as that is not covered by Traffic Signs.
>> Edited by ca092003 on Thursday 30th September 19:10
Congratulations BTW on becoming a full time TrafPol.
Ive done a bit of further research and refer you to Hughes Guide to Traffic Law, Section 33-1, Traffic Signs - Exemptions for emergency vehicles.
Note 1 is of particular interest. Essentially it suggests (to me, anyway) that the only exemptions that are available to a vehicle being used for police purposes are:
Keep Left/Right
Red Traffic Light
Motorway and Dual Carriageway Signals (Gantry)
The rest of them have to be obeyed.
What do you reckon StreetCop?
Edited to add that this section covers Traffic Signs only so exceeding the speed limit isn't shown above as that is not covered by Traffic Signs.
>> Edited by ca092003 on Thursday 30th September 19:10
ha....I generally refer to it often, but for some reason didn't think it would be in.
It's in my work bag in my locker at work now.
As for learning...I always learn..daily....sponge for info..that's me..especially traffic stuff...
Been a copper for nearly 8 years now and something new happens every day.....
Street
It's in my work bag in my locker at work now.
As for learning...I always learn..daily....sponge for info..that's me..especially traffic stuff...
Been a copper for nearly 8 years now and something new happens every day.....
Street
streetcop
I have race cans on my bike, the loudest I could buy.
I got them for safety reasons.
Travelling at night in a car and a rabbit runs out, the rabbit dies, and I wash the car, maybe a new head light. Rabbit runs out in front of my bike, I die.
The noise also wakes the car, van, lorry drivers up. I am sorry that they are noisy to others, I only got them because I am sick to death, of nearly dieing, and anything that helps me stay alive and on my bike I will try.
I have race cans on my bike, the loudest I could buy.
I got them for safety reasons.
Travelling at night in a car and a rabbit runs out, the rabbit dies, and I wash the car, maybe a new head light. Rabbit runs out in front of my bike, I die.
The noise also wakes the car, van, lorry drivers up. I am sorry that they are noisy to others, I only got them because I am sick to death, of nearly dieing, and anything that helps me stay alive and on my bike I will try.
ca092003 said:
Been a copper for nearly 8 years now and something new happens every day.....
Street
May I ask how long you have been a traffic policeman?
A grey question....I've worked in a pro-active patrol department for the last 2 years. This has targetted the criminal and dangerous use of motor vehicles. Disqualified drivers, dangerous/due care, car thieves etc etc. However, I've not been actively involved in accident investigation or motorway patrol.
I've recently been successful in my application to join the Road Policing Group, which will mean regular motorway patrols and serious or fatal accident investigation.
To answer your question..
Street
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