£100 fine for not displaying tax disc.
Discussion
Nigel Worc's said:
vonhosen said:
Nigel Worc's said:
vonhosen said:
If you want the official line it's in the Highway Code.
No it isn't, it's ambiguous at best, hence the confusion from drivers.Edited by vonhosen on Saturday 2nd August 12:50
I guess from your response the whole situation is open to a Police officers interpretation and discretion, and could only be sorted in court (like what is and isn't a car derived van) ?
The highway code's position is don't pass on the left, save some special circumstances which it gives, that video wasn't showing one of those special circumstances.
The traffic in his lane, him, (his lane is clear), is moving faster than the traffic to the right.
As long as he doesn't exceed the speed limit, then what possible offence is he committing ?
The vehicles in lane two however are failing to keep left unless overtaking, so they are causing a rolling road block (without even being lorries !).
It isn't an offence to pass on the left in his situation, in my understanding.
There is no specific offence of passing on the left.
Both are against the Highway code (save examples cited).
Passing on the left shown in the video is not what is described (examples cited) within the highway code or the spirit of it.
The video below (from 1.20 on) shows the sort of thing that is described within the highway code & the spirit of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SnwGjVpPdw
vonhosen said:
Nigel Worc's said:
vonhosen said:
Nigel Worc's said:
vonhosen said:
If you want the official line it's in the Highway Code.
No it isn't, it's ambiguous at best, hence the confusion from drivers.Edited by vonhosen on Saturday 2nd August 12:50
I guess from your response the whole situation is open to a Police officers interpretation and discretion, and could only be sorted in court (like what is and isn't a car derived van) ?
The highway code's position is don't pass on the left, save some special circumstances which it gives, that video wasn't showing one of those special circumstances.
The traffic in his lane, him, (his lane is clear), is moving faster than the traffic to the right.
As long as he doesn't exceed the speed limit, then what possible offence is he committing ?
The vehicles in lane two however are failing to keep left unless overtaking, so they are causing a rolling road block (without even being lorries !).
It isn't an offence to pass on the left in his situation, in my understanding.
There is no specific offence of passing on the left.
Both are against the Highway code (save examples cited).
Passing on the left shown in the video is not what is described (examples cited) within the highway code or the spirit of it.
The video below (from 1.20 on) shows the sort of thing that is described within the highway code & the spirit of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SnwGjVpPdw
And who gets to say what is within the "spirit" of the highway code ?
Nigel Worc's said:
vonhosen said:
Nigel Worc's said:
vonhosen said:
Nigel Worc's said:
vonhosen said:
If you want the official line it's in the Highway Code.
No it isn't, it's ambiguous at best, hence the confusion from drivers.Edited by vonhosen on Saturday 2nd August 12:50
I guess from your response the whole situation is open to a Police officers interpretation and discretion, and could only be sorted in court (like what is and isn't a car derived van) ?
The highway code's position is don't pass on the left, save some special circumstances which it gives, that video wasn't showing one of those special circumstances.
The traffic in his lane, him, (his lane is clear), is moving faster than the traffic to the right.
As long as he doesn't exceed the speed limit, then what possible offence is he committing ?
The vehicles in lane two however are failing to keep left unless overtaking, so they are causing a rolling road block (without even being lorries !).
It isn't an offence to pass on the left in his situation, in my understanding.
There is no specific offence of passing on the left.
Both are against the Highway code (save examples cited).
Passing on the left shown in the video is not what is described (examples cited) within the highway code or the spirit of it.
The video below (from 1.20 on) shows the sort of thing that is described within the highway code & the spirit of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SnwGjVpPdw
And who gets to say what is within the "spirit" of the highway code ?
The decision to move forward with that starts with the officer, as is common with any other Sec 3 RTA matter. It then moves on to the CPS & then to the courts (should the accused disagree with the assessments of the former in the chain of assessment). Each case (again as common with Sec 3 RTA) is dealt with on it's merits.
Of course if you want to leave it out of the hands of other's assessment, try to avoid passing on the left & try to avoid being in lane 2 if there is space to your left in lane 1.
It's a bit like filtering/lane splitting, when does one move from being within what's allowed or not (& within the spirit of cited examples)?
This rider is not likely to get stopped by Police for doing it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4BbV5ofOpY
This one was.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHAI3ca2X8k
Edited by vonhosen on Saturday 2nd August 16:17
InitialDave said:
SV8Predator said:
Can someone explain why the two complete and utter fkwits (above) are arguing about some old bo11ocks on this tax disc thread?
They pulled out of the other thread to overtake a slow poster, and are now refusing to pull back in.Anyway the tax disc fine here is over the top, its been hot glue melts, tax discs and parking tickets fall. Fine was not needed. Worth an appeal, but doubt they'll back down.
ch108 said:
y2blade said:
I don't display either, haven't done so for years.
Genuinely interested to know why. How hard is it to display a disc? And why would you not when it could attract attention from the police? What next? I don't have number plates because I don't feel like it. Hence i no longer display them on my motorbikes, haven't done so for the last 10+ years.
I keep tax disc in the locked/secure compartment under the seat, to date It hasn't caused an issue with the Police.
However I do display them in my cars, why wouldn't I? They are securely locking inside the car and displayed on the windscreen. (Clearly visible in any of my photos in reader's cars threads I'm sure).
Is that a satisfactory reply?
I got a parking ticket for not displaying properly. I had been getting my laptop from the passenger side and it was raining so I slapped it on the passenger side window. Came back to a ticket which I appealed and lost. Apparently the warden must be able to read it from the pavement, even though the picture he took of my car was clearly taken by the warden standing in the road
y2blade said:
I've had tax disc stolen off a motorbike in the past, yes really!
Hence i no longer display them on my motorbikes, haven't done so for the last 10+ years.
I keep tax disc in the locked/secure compartment under the seat, to date It hasn't caused an issue with the Police.
However I do display them in my cars, why wouldn't I? They are securely locking inside the car and displayed on the windscreen. (Clearly visible in any of my photos in reader's cars threads I'm sure).
Is that a satisfactory reply?
Explains it perfectly. From your original post I hadn't realised you were talking about displaying on a bike. Which as you say is more vulnerable to theft than a car.Hence i no longer display them on my motorbikes, haven't done so for the last 10+ years.
I keep tax disc in the locked/secure compartment under the seat, to date It hasn't caused an issue with the Police.
However I do display them in my cars, why wouldn't I? They are securely locking inside the car and displayed on the windscreen. (Clearly visible in any of my photos in reader's cars threads I'm sure).
Is that a satisfactory reply?
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