107 mph on the M1
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james_J said:
Broccers said:
tonyhetherington said:
I try to look at it from a 'punishment' point of view. The logic behind it will be that she's had 6 points, and that's not deterred her from doing these very high speeds. So, having been caught again, she is certain to get a ban. Remember WHY people are penalised (i.e. as a deterrent*) and it starts to explain a little clearer what she might expect. The judges logic will be that if we can inconvenience her for 2weeks, 1 month etc, then that will hopefully stop her doing it again.
She is, almost, certain of a ban and as such should start thinking how she's going to get around. Bicycle/public transport etc should be looked at as, it's highly likely, she'll walk out the court room not being able to drive home.
*Let's not get into the pros/cons of speed limit enforcement.
Thanks.
Look, Im not really interested in the morals, rights or wrongs etc. 107 mph has never been a very high speed either, nor do you know what the 6 points were for.
Cheers again for the helpful assistance.
I remember a time when this forum didnt have the 'preachers'.
So if there are anymore of you please dont reply. Im looking for positive advice to help someone through a possibly bad situation.
107mph never been a very high speed??? What the hell are you on??
I think a ban is what she deserves, if she is caught at 107mph she is clearly unsafe to be on the road. Maybe she should have learned her lesson the previous times she has been caught!
What are you talking about?
How are you able to judge whether or not a particular speed is "safe" or not, without seeing at first hand the conditions of the road at the time?
Any sort of speed over 100mph cannot really be considered to be safe. Regardless of the conditions, speeding along at 100mph doesn't leave you any time to react to anything, such as a blown tyre, or an obstacle appearing in your path.
The real stupid thing about this episode is that regardless of the conditions and previous points on her licence, this lady still likes to speed along at 37mph over the limit. It doesn't matter if its at 4am in the morning on a clear road, the law says 70mph. Hopefully the ban will teach her a lesson that she needs to learn.
deeen said:
Sorry but you seem to have got lost somewhere between the real world and that little world in your head.
Regardless of what I drive, 107mph on a public road is just plain stupid (moreso when the limit is 70mph) like the idiots who get caught at them speeds.
Hole. Digging. Stop.
In fact, stop and think about the Germans who prove thousands of times a day that 107 can be a perfectly safe and normal speed on a public road.
I suspect the only mistake the poster's friend made was getting caught.
Yes, the Germans can do this, but thats because they have a different attititude to driving and most probably a better driving test and education system.
Regardless of talk about safe speeds etc, 70mph is the limit in this country by law. The Germans can do 100mph down the motorway because they are allowed to, we aren't, simple!!
funkyrobot said:Funkyrobot this you will find is your opinion and not doctrine, for I along with many others strongly disagree.
Any sort of speed over 100mph cannot really be considered to be safe. Regardless of the conditions, speeding along at 100mph doesn't leave you any time to react to anything, such as a blown tyre, or an obstacle appearing in your path.
To adopt your line of argument would entail, in principle, a NSL of about 20mph, because above this people can die.
You think that if while driving along at 70mph and a deer suddenly steps out you'll be able to stop in time? You think a major tyre blowout (which as it happens very rarely causes loss of control due to aerodynamics - in fact the faster you go paradoxically the safer a tyre blowout becomes) will be controllable at 70mph? Think again.
Moving at any speed is a risk - the key is in balancing the risk with the enhanced ability to get to our destinations faster.
120mph can be IMMENSELY safe. It is all about the cimcumstances and the conditions.
This is my opinion. You are entitled to disagree, though I think you'll find disagreement will land you in the small minority on these forums.
deeen said:I disagree. The original poster strongly alluded to a possiblity that the friend is a less-than-good driver and was not aware of the speed she was doing at the time.
I suspect the only mistake the poster's friend made was getting caught.
This is dangerous, and is the issue. 107mph is not the crime in my book. Anyone who doesn't know what kind of speed they're doing at any time isn't in full control.
IMO.
funkyrobot said:
Yes, the Germans can do this, but thats because they have a different attititude to driving and most probably a better driving test and education system.
Regardless of talk about safe speeds etc, 70mph is the limit in this country by law. The Germans can do 100mph down the motorway because they are allowed to, we aren't, simple!!
If you are saying that our outdated, discredited "speed" laws and enforcement policies have little or nothing to do with road safety, I would have to agree with you.
In the situation where you've already got 6 points, you're probably better off agreeing to accept an automatic ban (of a couple of weeks) rather than arguing a ban down to points and getting banned under the totting up procedure.
Don't know how you'd do this though (and, having fortunately never been in this position, I'm not absolutely certain that the above suggestion is the *best* option), so getting proper legal advice has to be fundamental.
Don't know how you'd do this though (and, having fortunately never been in this position, I'm not absolutely certain that the above suggestion is the *best* option), so getting proper legal advice has to be fundamental.
-DeaDLocK- said:
Any sort of speed over 100mph cannot really be considered to be safe. Regardless of the conditions, speeding along at 100mph doesn't leave you any time to react to anything, such as a blown tyre, or an obstacle appearing in your path.
Funkyrobot this you will find is your opinion and not doctrine, for I along with many others strongly disagree.
To adopt your line of argument would entail, in principle, a NSL of about 20mph, because above this people can die.
You think that if while driving along at 70mph and a deer suddenly steps out you'll be able to stop in time? You think a major tyre blowout (which as it happens very rarely causes loss of control due to aerodynamics - in fact the faster you go paradoxically the safer a tyre blowout becomes) will be controllable at 70mph? Think again.
Moving at any speed is a risk - the key is in balancing the risk with the enhanced ability to get to our destinations faster.
120mph can be IMMENSELY safe. It is all about the cimcumstances and the conditions.
This is my opinion. You are entitled to disagree, though I think you'll find disagreement will land you in the small minority on these forums.
If you read my posts properly I haven't stated anywhere that I feel 70mph is safe. I have just stated that its the speed limit.
70mph is not safe, and I agree with you when you say no speed is safe. What makes 100mph different to 70mph is that it is a lot faster. If something is already dangerous at 70mph, why add to this danger at 100mph?
I am a keen motorist and I drive many thousands of miles a year for work and pleasure. I agree that some speed limits in this country are set too low, just like some are set too high. But if a law states a speed limit, what is the problem with sticking to it??
120mph can be safe yes, but not on a public road with other vehicles and hazards around you.
With regards to my comments landing me in a small minority on this forum, who cares? I would rather express my own, untainted, opinion than join a 'collective' of people who cannot speak for themselves.
What makes me laugh about this thread is one very very simple thing. 70mph is the speed limit, the woman gets caught at 107mph, and a lot of moaning and whinging ensues. Why couldn't she have just done 70mph?
superflid said:
funkyrobot said:
Any sort of speed over 100mph cannot really be considered to be safe.
That's got to be the funniest post from a Troll I've seen in years.
Keep it up, you're in the right place.
Well at least it made you laugh eh!
So if you accuse me of being a troll and then tell me to keep it up because i'm in the right place, you are stating that this forum is just about trolling?
Well done Troll!
>> Edited by funkyrobot on Monday 11th April 13:55
superflid said:
Yep, got me! 
...or maybe not....
It's just that we like trolls here and we've just lost a good one (He's not keen on speeding either....).
I think on a forum like this anyone who posts anything at all in disagreement with speeding is automatically labelled a troll.
Its the way it is on some forums. If anyone is against the general view then they simply must be trolling.
To be fair, one of my first posts was in support of caravans.....
To state that anyone driving at 107mph should be banned on a sports car forum is simply asking for an argument at the very least.
If 107, and even 70 is unsafe, surely we shouldn't be driving at all. Lets all stay in bed.
On the other hand 2 of my uncles died in bed.
To state that anyone driving at 107mph should be banned on a sports car forum is simply asking for an argument at the very least.
If 107, and even 70 is unsafe, surely we shouldn't be driving at all. Lets all stay in bed.
On the other hand 2 of my uncles died in bed.
superflid said:
To be fair, one of my first posts was in support of caravans.....
To state that anyone driving at 107mph should be banned on a sports car forum is simply asking for an argument at the very least.
If 107, and even 70 is unsafe, surely we shouldn't be driving at all. Lets all stay in bed.
On the other hand 2 of my uncles died in bed.
Maybe you should change that to 'To state that anyone driving at 107mph ON A PUBLIC ROAD should be banned'. Then I would be convinced that you read my post properly.
The simple fact is, no speed is safe but we know the risks of driving. This has been discussed earlier.
Have you anything new to add?
Broccers said:
Thanks. Now please move along and be unhelpful somewhere else.
>> Edited by Broccers on Monday 11th April 16:05
Surely you meant to say 'my friend is stupid for doing such an insane speed on a public road, someone has questioned this and I can't think of anything intelligent to say in reply because I know its wrong and dangerous, so i'll just ask the person to go and drop in a sly little comment'??
funkyrobot said:It's wrong in the eyes of the law, and dangerous only for those who don't know better. Which are you?
Surely you meant to say 'my friend is stupid for doing such an insane speed on a public road, someone has questioned this and I can't think of anything intelligent to say in reply because I know its wrong and dangerous, so i'll just ask the person to go and drop in a sly little comment'??
Do you really think that 107 on an empty motorway is significantly more dangerous than 30 along a pedestrianised high street?
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