Wife stopped for illegal number plate...
Discussion
Nanook said:
Who are the gullible and the vain?
Our OP, for buying the plate?
Or the company, for selling it? As if this turns out to be the case, that they're been falsely advertising, they are at least equally at fault for selling illegal numberplates, as our OP is for not measuring it all himself when it came out the box with the certificate of legality.
If the OP takes them tomcourt what is he going to get? I thought his claim was limited to any financial loss, so he’d get the price of the plates back and the fine. How much will it cost him to bring the case?Our OP, for buying the plate?
Or the company, for selling it? As if this turns out to be the case, that they're been falsely advertising, they are at least equally at fault for selling illegal numberplates, as our OP is for not measuring it all himself when it came out the box with the certificate of legality.
If the OP's wife earns more in a day than the fine was, then surely the question answers its self. Just pay the fine, who cares. Don't "lose" the stuff in the door pocket next time.
Was the door pocket stuff presented to the officer out of interest?
Yes the plate looks gash IMO, but unfortunately this was the real police, not the fashion police.
Was the door pocket stuff presented to the officer out of interest?
Yes the plate looks gash IMO, but unfortunately this was the real police, not the fashion police.
Nanook said:
Breadvan72 said:
I just enjoy pissing pompous t
ts like you off, although it's bit like fish and barrel shooting.
Pompous? ts like you off, although it's bit like fish and barrel shooting. You think I'm the one being pompous? I'm not sure you know what the word means.
I'm not the one that seems to be pissed off here. I'm not the one that went one some hilarious "Well, I bet your numberplate looks silly" offensive, when it was pointed out I was being a bit of a t
t.That was you. Remember?
Anyway, here's the legal info from the suppliers web page:
https://www.fourdotdesignerplates.co.uk/legal/lega...
paintman said:
If you plead not guilty unless you can satisfy the prosecutors that they are wrong you will very likely need to attend court.
I'd suggest you may also need something/someone from the company as your expert witness.
If you win you can ask for your costs.
You can ask for actual costs, not 'what I think I might have earned'
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/apply-f...
This is largely nonsense and the link to legal fees is irrelevant. Defendants can not claim lost earnings. The relevant Act provides for expenses only. E.g. train fare and lunch money. I'd suggest you may also need something/someone from the company as your expert witness.
If you win you can ask for your costs.
You can ask for actual costs, not 'what I think I might have earned'
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/apply-f...
WaferThinHam said:
If the OP's wife earns more in a day than the fine was, then surely the question answers its self. Just pay the fine, who cares. Don't "lose" the stuff in the door pocket next time.
Surely you'd only be in court for 30 mins or so? Just prove the plate is legal. See no reason you couldn't work the rest of the day?
Looks legit to me, and I can’t see that manufacturer of plates (I mean I’ve never heard of them but they look like they over charge for fancy packaging and the guarantee they’re legit.) sending out illegal plates.
Also. I’d like to be the first an only member (with equally bad taste) to say they look great. I actually like cut down plates. I don’t have a pp myself but I’d definitely have one cut down to minimum legal size.
More offensive I thought was a motorcycle with a 3 or 4 digit plate I saw last year. It had a full size motorcycle plate. Surely the only reason for a private plate on a bike is being legally able to cut it down to size.
Also. I’d like to be the first an only member (with equally bad taste) to say they look great. I actually like cut down plates. I don’t have a pp myself but I’d definitely have one cut down to minimum legal size.
More offensive I thought was a motorcycle with a 3 or 4 digit plate I saw last year. It had a full size motorcycle plate. Surely the only reason for a private plate on a bike is being legally able to cut it down to size.
agtlaw said:
@paintman (deleted post)
I must have missed the part where you said - lost earnings are not claimable.
I did post but then decided a pointless exercise & of no help to the OP hence the deletion.I must have missed the part where you said - lost earnings are not claimable.
I said in the post you quoted 'You can claim for actual costs not 'What I think I might have earned'.
They always looked legal size to me. Some people need their eyesight testing having looked at 2cvs pictures where they were obviously the same size.
As to paying up because it's the easy option, that's wrong on two levels. Firstly the State are illegitimately getting one over on you and secondly, as effectively an admission of guilt, next thing you know the bds will have him again and he'll be on here with an S59 or whatever that daft thing is.
Get a copy of the form from the supplier and go down the Plod shop with car and tape-measure would get my vote.
As to paying up because it's the easy option, that's wrong on two levels. Firstly the State are illegitimately getting one over on you and secondly, as effectively an admission of guilt, next thing you know the b
ds will have him again and he'll be on here with an S59 or whatever that daft thing is.Get a copy of the form from the supplier and go down the Plod shop with car and tape-measure would get my vote.
JPJPJP said:
Is holding the plate on with tie wraps allowed ?
There's nothing to say how they have to be held on, just that whatever's used can't make the plate look misrepresented - contrasting bolt caps filling/"making" gaps. Grey tiewraps aren't exactly screamingly obvious, so I can't see 'em being majorly problematic.Just looking back at that original pic - they're not in that... Was that propped up, or...?
Law v. measurements
Space between characters 11mm (11.28)
Horizontal space between groups 33mm (33.02)
Stroke width 14mm (13.05)
Stroke width 14mm (13.05)
Minimum margin 11mm (11.32)
Character height 79mm (78.56)
ETA:
Character height tolerance is ± 1 mm
Otherwise the tolerance is ± 0.5 mm
Space between characters 11mm (11.28)
Horizontal space between groups 33mm (33.02)
Stroke width 14mm (13.05)
Stroke width 14mm (13.05)
Minimum margin 11mm (11.32)
Character height 79mm (78.56)
ETA:
Character height tolerance is ± 1 mm
Otherwise the tolerance is ± 0.5 mm
Edited by agtlaw on Monday 15th January 10:24
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