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Red 4 said:
Watch the film !!!!
Fire Service treated with water.
Instructions came back from police control to treat with foam or sand only - and breathing apparatus must be worn !!!
So yeah, really.
Driver had no idea what he was carrying !
Hazchem cards won't tell you what it is.
The book providing the identification numbers and info is in the control room.
There should also be an emergency contact number displayed on the vehicle.
Im sure the brigade knew what they were doing. Fully aware of how / where hazchem information is available - controller trained in 1997Fire Service treated with water.
Instructions came back from police control to treat with foam or sand only - and breathing apparatus must be worn !!!
So yeah, really.
Driver had no idea what he was carrying !
Hazchem cards won't tell you what it is.
The book providing the identification numbers and info is in the control room.
There should also be an emergency contact number displayed on the vehicle.
Red 4 said:
Bigends said:
Do you honestly think theyd be stupid enough to go shifting stuff they didnt think it was safe to move?? Really??
All Hazchem jobs were called into Police control - Brigade would have done the same and guidance was given as to whether to interfere or not - or perhaps the driver told him what was on board and it wasnt dangerous? - who knows. Cards were issued as guidance - not a definitive solution - still have mine somewhere - I assume they arent issued anymore then
Watch the film !!!!All Hazchem jobs were called into Police control - Brigade would have done the same and guidance was given as to whether to interfere or not - or perhaps the driver told him what was on board and it wasnt dangerous? - who knows. Cards were issued as guidance - not a definitive solution - still have mine somewhere - I assume they arent issued anymore then
Fire Service treated with water.
Instructions came back from police control to treat with foam or sand only - and breathing apparatus must be worn !!!
So yeah, really.
Driver had no idea what he was carrying !
Hazchem cards won't tell you what it is.
The book providing the identification numbers and info is in the control room.
There should also be an emergency contact number displayed on the vehicle.
"The driver's not too sure what it is: I'm on to Lenco(?) to find out exactly what it is, over".
"Can you give me the code number"
"36106"
@9:04 Firemen examine label on drum
First guy "In case of spillage.."
Second guy " drench with water"
@9:31 Police officer
"Right, well they're on to Lenco now to find out, you know, how we're going to shift it.
@9:52 over radio
"Breathing apparatus must be worn...(interjection).. the use of foam or sand could be used to clear it, over"
Followed by a discussion between police and fireman.
36106 doesn't sound like a normal Hazchem EAC - https://app.croneri.co.uk/feature-articles/emergen...
The video gives no indication of the size of the load or the lorry it was on.
Could have been just a few badly secured drums on the back of flatbed.
daveinhampshire said:
Amazing to see the raw materials on the road with manufacturing having pretty much vanished since then.
Not vanished: go to the Midlands and you will still find many people in sheds making stuff, and that's before you add in the car factories. Manufacturing is diminished from its heyday, but is still a fairly big sector of the economy. cmaguire said:
Looked like printing varnish/sealer or something similar to me. No end of stuff has hazardous substance labels on it where eating or drinking it is the only thing likely to give you a problem.
And presumably the standard issue ‘taches would adequately filter any noxious fumes before they hit the nostrils.PorkInsider said:
cmaguire said:
Looked like printing varnish/sealer or something similar to me. No end of stuff has hazardous substance labels on it where eating or drinking it is the only thing likely to give you a problem.
And presumably the standard issue ‘taches would adequately filter any noxious fumes before they hit the nostrils.And I don't remember any mention of noxious fumes, and the driver at least didn't have a 'tache to filter any vapours.
The Don of Croy said:
I like the trafpol commenting on the matrix speed policy, wanting the traffic to go faster...on a snowbound carriageway with poor visibility in crud cars on 165/SR13 tyres already doing 30mph. No thanks!
155/13 or even 145/13 would have been more likely on your average smallish car in 1979 and a damned site better in snow than the stupid dragster sized tyres fitted to mundane cars these days.cmaguire said:
PorkInsider said:
cmaguire said:
Looked like printing varnish/sealer or something similar to me. No end of stuff has hazardous substance labels on it where eating or drinking it is the only thing likely to give you a problem.
And presumably the standard issue ‘taches would adequately filter any noxious fumes before they hit the nostrils.And I don't remember any mention of noxious fumes, and the driver at least didn't have a 'tache to filter any vapours.
cmaguire said:
What chance is there that anything truly hazardous is being ferried about by some old geezer that has no idea what he has inadequately strapped down on an old Bedford?
Lots of hazardous stuff is carried by road.Next time you see a tanker ask yourself if you would be stupid enough to go anywhere near it if it was involved in a collision - without first identifying what it was carrying.
Actually, don't answer that.
So they were arresting drink drivers in the 1970s and yet people still f
king do it. Slow to get the message or what?
Also loved the bloke bking the MLM and the guys trying to drive down a closed road. These coppers seem a lot more forthright than the ones you see on traffic cops, although they also seem to have more respect from the people they've stopped.
king do it. Slow to get the message or what?Also loved the bloke b
king the MLM and the guys trying to drive down a closed road. These coppers seem a lot more forthright than the ones you see on traffic cops, although they also seem to have more respect from the people they've stopped.Breadvan72 said:
Wooda80 said:
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Incredible how much snow and ice there was on the roads in that video. Either it's much milder now or we have better gritting.
Whoops! Be VERY CAREFUL not to let anyone in NPE see that. It's all a conspiracy/hoax/scam to raise taxes/impose communism/space lizard overlord sheeple plot, you see.Incredible how much snow and ice there was on the roads in that video. Either it's much milder now or we have better gritting.
Classic Rangies are da nutz. I would have another one like a shot, but they are now mega spenner.
Davidonly said:
Breadvan72 said:
Wooda80 said:
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Incredible how much snow and ice there was on the roads in that video. Either it's much milder now or we have better gritting.
Whoops! Be VERY CAREFUL not to let anyone in NPE see that. It's all a conspiracy/hoax/scam to raise taxes/impose communism/space lizard overlord sheeple plot, you see.Incredible how much snow and ice there was on the roads in that video. Either it's much milder now or we have better gritting.
Classic Rangies are da nutz. I would have another one like a shot, but they are now mega spenner.
revvingit said:
Also loved the bloke bking the MLM and the guys trying to drive down a closed road. These coppers seem a lot more forthright than the ones you see on traffic cops, although they also seem to have more respect from the people they've stopped.
Great to hear the 70s police calling obvious idiots idiots. Oh the outrage. Probably be suspended now for an offensive remark like that.king the MLM and the guys trying to drive down a closed road. These coppers seem a lot more forthright than the ones you see on traffic cops, although they also seem to have more respect from the people they've stopped.Unlike the irritatingly ubiquitous 'fella' used ad infinitum on PCA etc. Patronising at best.
av185 said:
Great to hear the 70s police calling obvious idiots idiots. Oh the outrage. Probably be suspended now for an offensive remark like that.
Unlike the irritatingly ubiquitous 'fella' used ad infinitum on PCA etc. Patronising at best.
Some cops still speak in that sort of manner, just a bit more sensible with words choice; watched an episode of emergency bikers the other day where a biker cop ticketed a guy for driving in Lane 3 with the remark "your thumbs up your backside and your brains in neutral isn't it?" - certainly the same sentiment. Also saw an episode of traffic cops today on Dave where the traffic cop gave a hard shoulder tosser an absolute bUnlike the irritatingly ubiquitous 'fella' used ad infinitum on PCA etc. Patronising at best.
king (hint; if you're going to commit a massive violation of the highway code, don't do it sat in a queue of traffic caused by an incident the officer is returning to via the hard shoulder from telling the dead woman from the accidents family the bad news) Although I'm not sure how old these are they seemed to be in the last 5-10 years from the cars. The language is a bit less forth-right but when a copper needs to bk someone they're still permitted to by the seems of it. Not sure what you're on about with PCA and that fella? At a loss?
Too Drunk to Funk said:
I'm 46, worst winters (plural) I've known were 2010 and 11. Typically long periods of extreme cold and heavy snow. Our house in Lee had a 2 foot icicle hanging off the roof at one point. 1983 wasn't great but I certainly don't remember winter being worse when I was young.
Too young to remember the winter of 1962/63. 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8446942.stm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMXxRcqmrkQ
A great many icicles that year were in excess of 3ft.
The previous big one was in 1947. I was an infant back then.
My father had just moved out of London and bought a property in the depths of the countryside.
A proper fun time for my mother given that the only available water supply was from a well.
One bucket at a time winched up from 20 feet underground...
Even so, both were mild compared with 684 when the Thames in London froze solid for 2 months.
Mind you, back then it wasn't embanked so flowed more slowly than it does now.
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