Police cutbacks what a joke

[TooMany2cvs]

LarsG said:

Personally, while I do not smoke I see no reason why a van cannot be utilised as a smoking shelter when it rains.

How about the office building's reception? Does the same apply there?

[LarsG]

TooMany2cvs said:

LarsG said:

Personally, while I do not smoke I see no reason why a van cannot be utilised as a smoking shelter when it rains.

How about the office building's reception? Does the same apply there?

Do you need a joke to be sign posted?

[TooMany2cvs]

LarsG said:

TooMany2cvs said:

LarsG said:

Personally, while I do not smoke I see no reason why a van cannot be utilised as a smoking shelter when it rains.

How about the office building's reception? Does the same apply there?

Do you need a joke to be sign posted?

Sometimes, it's hard to tell around these parts.

[sim72]

Bigends said:

I assume all Police vehicles have no smoking stickers in place - or is there an exemption?

Since there's a police car parked outside our house at the moment (our neighbour is a copper), I took the liberty of taking a quick peek when I went out to fill up the screenwash on mine. No sticker as far as I can see (though obviously it might be stuck in a daft place like under the glovebox). I'll ask her tomorrow.

Edited by sim72 on Wednesday 23 May 23:51

[anonymous-user]

LarsG said:

Lord Marylebone said:

What is the definition of a 'Company Van'?

A van that is owned by the company but may have a named registered keeper. My vans are owned by my Ltd Company, but I am the registered keeper.

Thanks.

Well that is good to know.

My 'company van' is owned by me and in my name.

But is used daily for work by myself and others.

I presume I don't need a sticker.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

matjk said:

I did not know this !! But no one at our company smokes , and it all none smoking ! Why is a sign needed , do I need a sign for “no taking cocaine” “or “no shooting endangered species” it’s fking ridiculous to need signs for common sense st like this ! I had better order some no smoking ones might get a few “no murdering prostitutes” while I’m at it

Signs are not needed to tell people not to do illegal things. This is telling them they can't do something that is legal, in a certain place.

HTH.

[In Arduis Fouette]

La Liga said:

Was it just for 'no smoking' stickers? That sounds odd and I wasn't aware the police could issue FPNs for it.

Or was it a multi-agency ANPR-type thing?

Secondly, who was the lead? Was there external funding from another agency etc?

indeed !

it's amazing how ignorant the populace can be ....

[colinrob]

Thanks.

Well that is good to know.

My 'company van' is owned by me and in my name.

But is used daily for work by myself and others.

I presume I don't need a sticker.
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Unfortunately you will need a sticker if the vehicle is used for work and used by more than one person, if you get stopped you can say that you are the only person that uses it then you are exempt and you can smoke in it

[colinrob]

Alucidnation said:

What was stopping you making sure your own business was compliant then?

Irony overload.

It was 10 years ago that the legislation came in a lot of things have happened since then

[coldel]

They probably pulled you for a look over the van and the sticker was the easy and obvious nick in the absence of any other issues. I doubt they glimpsed the van on the move and noted a missing sticker, chased you down and issued the fine. I would be surprised if a squad of police were tasked with spending the day finding sticker violators?

Thing is they could have pulled another van after you and found anything from a dangerous vehicle with bits hanging off to people smugglers and suddenly their job doesn't seem like such a waste of time and effort.

Ultimately by not being compliant you gave them the easiest £200 they will probably ever get. Its like any business really, be up to date on the rules, check in regularly, be compliant, no problems.

[creampuff]

coldel said:

They probably pulled you for a look over the van and the sticker was the easy and obvious nick in the absence of any other issues. I doubt they glimpsed the van on the move and noted a missing sticker, chased you down and issued the fine. I would be surprised if a squad of police were tasked with spending the day finding sticker violators?

I'm sure the police operation was not to look for missing no smoking stickers. Even in that case, I would still say that handing out a £200 fine for a missing sticker is a waste of resources, does not do anything for public health and should not have happened. There may be a legal requirement to have a no smoking sticker, but so what, it is a fking sticker. The fine will go into consolidated revenue for the government which still means the 3 or so minutes spent by the police or whoever handing out the fine is 3 minutes which is lost on other things which could be done on this check-some-vans day out.

[Pothole]

creampuff said:

coldel said:

They probably pulled you for a look over the van and the sticker was the easy and obvious nick in the absence of any other issues. I doubt they glimpsed the van on the move and noted a missing sticker, chased you down and issued the fine. I would be surprised if a squad of police were tasked with spending the day finding sticker violators?

I'm sure the police operation was not to look for missing no smoking stickers. Even in that case, I would still say that handing out a £200 fine for a missing sticker is a waste of resources, does not do anything for public health and should not have happened. There may be a legal requirement to have a no smoking sticker, but so what, it is a fking sticker. The fine will go into consolidated revenue for the government which still means the 3 or so minutes spent by the police or whoever handing out the fine is 3 minutes which is lost on other things which could be done on this check-some-vans day out.

Trust me, they have computer applications to record crimes which waste far more than 3 minutes every time they are used,

[Phil Dicky]

Ate we sure the stop was just for smoking offences. Usually these type of events include VOSA checks and employment checks. In addition to insurance MOT and vehicle defect checks.

[Pothole]

Phil Dicky said:

Ate we sure the stop was just for smoking offences. Usually these type of events include VOSA checks and employment checks. In addition to insurance MOT and vehicle defect checks.

don't expect to get any sense from the OP, he was too busy with his Waah waah to get any real info.

[Greendubber]

Can we have a look at the ticket to see who issued it?

I all of my time I've never seen an offence code for smoking in a company vehicle....

[Dibble]

Greendubber said:

Can we have a look at the ticket to see who issued it?

I all of my time I've never seen an offence code for smoking in a company vehicle....

Already asked by me (and so far, ignored by the OP).

Were I a betting man, I’d suggest a multi agency check site, with the Police doing the “stopping”, other agencies checking over the vehicles and whoever had primacy for any offences identified issuing any tickets/submitting any reports.

Of course, none of that fits with the OP’s “waaah”.

[W124Bob]

In a sensible world the answer would hace been to give out stickers to those drivers in non compliant vans, cost of a box of stickers being met by the fine(s) for those drivers/vans breaking the the law in other more seriuos ways, no MOT , proper insurance etc. In the current climate I'd be surprised if we didn't have some jobsworth checking those vans with stickers for ISO sign compliance!

[PAULJ5555]

Meanwhile another child is stabbed to death in London

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

W124Bob said:

In a sensible world the answer would hace been to give out stickers to those drivers in non compliant vans, cost of a box of stickers being met by the fine(s) for those drivers/vans breaking the the law in other more seriuos ways, no MOT , proper insurance etc. In the current climate I'd be surprised if we didn't have some jobsworth checking those vans with stickers for ISO sign compliance!

We're talking a government agency here...common sense shall not prevail.

[creampuff]

Dibble said:

Already asked by me (and so far, ignored by the OP).

Were I a betting man, I’d suggest a multi agency check site, with the Police doing the “stopping”, other agencies checking over the vehicles and whoever had primacy for any offences identified issuing any tickets/submitting any reports.

Of course, none of that fits with the OP’s “waaah”.

Quite likely. Maybe VOSA issued the fine. I'd still say it is a waste of 3 minutes of time for VOSA, the police or whoever it was than handed it out. 3 minutes which could have been spent on something else VOSA is responsible for, which is more important than a sticker.